MVP hype for Allen

[zow2]

4 minutes ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

I will never bet on Josh to win MVP again.  The back and forth and politics is agony.  Ravens fans are completely obnoxious and make me puke.  If voters don’t realize the value that Josh brings to this team this season, I don’t know when they ever will.  Regardless of who wins MVP, just want this team to obliterate anyone that gets in their way in the next four games.

 

Have no fear.  Despite the bluster on all the shows,  Josh is winning it.  They need show content.

[BananaB]

8 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Can someone tell Micah (and everyone else) that Josh played 107 fewer snaps than Lamar?

 

That's more than a game and a half worth of snaps when you consider the average NFL game has 63 snaps.

 

Anyone think if Allen wasn't pulled so consistently from games that he couldn't get another 550 yards, 2 TDs and 5 1st downs???

 

MVP was an agenda for the Ravens, clearly.

 

Against the Giants the Ravens are up 28-3 as the 4th quarter starts and they get the ball back because of a turnover on downs. Lamar stayed in the game for another TD. 

 

Would Josh?

 

In a game that was 31-2 on Christmas day, Lamar stayed in for a drive to start the 4th quarter.

 

Would Josh?

 

In a game that was 38-10 to end the 3rd quarter against the Broncos, Lamar stayed in to lead another FG drive.

 

Would Josh?

Had a friend of mine start going on about Burrow yesterday and his yards and TDs. Had to tell him Burrow has like 175 more passing attempts then Allen, that almost 6 more games worth of attempts if you figure the average probably be around 30 for Allen. 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

10 hours ago, Aussie Joe said:

hopefully Micah has embraced Josh now 

Someone might need to spell it out to me

 

 

Or maybe Micah should watch some of the games lol Lamar throwing to laughably wide open guys because teams are loading up to stop Derrick Henry is just not an mvp to me

 

I think you could argue Lamar is not even the mvp of his own team pretty easily 

Edited Monday at 04:42 PM by Generic_Bills_Fan

[UKBillFan]

1 hour ago, zow2 said:

 

Yeah, he said he had an "epiphany" over the weekend and thought about 45 total TDs and 4 ints.  and Lamar did enough to earn MVP.

 

 

 

Three days ago he was still backing Josh, so would like to hear about the epiphany. Can't see today's Facility up on YouTube.

[HappyDays]

 

[UKBillFan]

5 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

 

I just watched that on YouTube. The comments underneath are quite something. Makes me feel like no one rates Josh outside of Bills fans and a few talking heads.

[strive_for_five_guy]

6 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Dan’s argument only makes too much sense.

Just now, UKBillFan said:

 

I just watched that on YouTube. The comments underneath are quite something. Makes me feel like no one rates Josh outside of Bills fans and a few talking heads.

I swear Ravens fans just have nothing better to do with their time, yet what has their two-time MVP ever done for them in the playoffs?

[UKBillFan]

Just to break down the stats as well, as many are backing Lamar over that.

 

Lamar: 4172 yards from 1074 snaps (3.88 yards per snap)

Josh: 3731 yards from 968 snaps (3.85 yards per snap)

 

Lamar: 45 total touchdowns from 1074 snaps (0.042 TDs per snap)

Josh: 41 total touchdowns from 968 snaps (0.042 TDs per snap)

 

And, to be fair...

 

Lamar: 9 turnovers from 1074 snaps (0.008 turnovers per snap)

Josh: 8 turnovers from 968 snaps (0.009 turnovers per snap)

 

I wish someone would point this out. What Lamar has done is extraordinary, no one can deny it. But given the opportunity, Josh was on track to do practically the same thing.

[Giuseppe Tognarelli]

Why have the odds been removed from all the sportsbooks?

[billieve420]

15 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

Why have the odds been removed from all the sportsbooks?

 

Fanduel has them up. Allen's odds are even better now -470 to Lamar at +350. So no week 18 bump for Lamar.

[UKBillFan]

1 minute ago, billieve420 said:

 

Fanduel has them up. Allen's odds are even better now -470 to Lamar at +350. So no week 18 bump for Lamar.

 

Not surprised. The Ravens offense looked average a best until they let Henry loose.

[strive_for_five_guy]

10 minutes ago, billieve420 said:

 

Fanduel has them up. Allen's odds are even better now -470 to Lamar at +350. So no week 18 bump for Lamar.

Josh at -500 on DK now too, with Lamar at +350.  If anything, the odds have shifted Josh’s way in the past couple of days.

[BillytheKid]

Josh’s odds went up in his favor after the Ravens game. Josh will win easy. 
 

5 Sportsbooks listed here
 

 

BetMGM -250

 

Draftkings -500

 

Caesar’s -400

 

Fanduel -470

 

Bet rivers -250

[JESSEFEFFER]

1 hour ago, UKBillFan said:

Just to break down the stats as well, as many are backing Lamar over that.

 

Lamar: 4172 yards from 1074 snaps (3.88 yards per snap)

Josh: 3731 yards from 968 snaps (3.85 yards per snap)

 

Lamar: 45 total touchdowns from 1074 snaps (0.042 TDs per snap)

Josh: 41 total touchdowns from 968 snaps (0.042 TDs per snap)

 

And, to be fair...

 

Lamar: 9 turnovers from 1074 snaps (0.008 turnovers per snap)

Josh: 8 turnovers from 968 snaps (0.009 turnovers per snap)

 

I wish someone would point this out. What Lamar has done is extraordinary, no one can deny it. But given the opportunity, Josh was on track to do practically the same thing.

To refine the bolded since math may be different here in the US:

Lamar = 9/1074 = .00838 TO/snap    or   119.3 snaps / TO

Josh   = 8/968  =  .00826 TO/snap    or   121.0 snaps / TO   which truly is practically the same thing.

Edited Monday at 07:03 PM by JESSEFEFFER

[Big Turk]

1 hour ago, UKBillFan said:

Just to break down the stats as well, as many are backing Lamar over that.

 

Lamar: 4172 yards from 1074 snaps (3.88 yards per snap)

Josh: 3731 yards from 968 snaps (3.85 yards per snap)

 

Lamar: 45 total touchdowns from 1074 snaps (0.042 TDs per snap)

Josh: 41 total touchdowns from 968 snaps (0.042 TDs per snap)

 

And, to be fair...

 

Lamar: 9 turnovers from 1074 snaps (0.008 turnovers per snap)

Josh: 8 turnovers from 968 snaps (0.009 turnovers per snap)

 

I wish someone would point this out. What Lamar has done is extraordinary, no one can deny it. But given the opportunity, Josh was on track to do practically the same thing.

 

Someone also needs to point out that his stats are essentially an AVERAGE JA season over the last 4 years of 5,022 yards and 44 TDs. 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

1 hour ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

Why have the odds been removed from all the sportsbooks?

They’re still there from what I’ve seen.  It’s a bit tricky to find the odds sometimes because I think player award betting is illegal in ny technically.  I check them on Vegas insider usually which shows you the odds at a bunch of different sportsbooks at once. Looks like josh is between a -250 and -500 favorite lookin at all of them

Edited Monday at 07:06 PM by Generic_Bills_Fan

[strive_for_five_guy]

56 minutes ago, BillytheKid said:

Josh’s odds went up in his favor after the Ravens game. Josh will win easy. 
 

5 Sportsbooks listed here
 

 

BetMGM -250

 

Draftkings -500

 

Caesar’s -400

 

Fanduel -470

 

Bet rivers -250

And BetMGM and BetRivers odds aren’t updated.  If you’re able to go to their actual site, they haven’t have Season Awards up since before the games yesterday.  If they get odds up again at some point, I assume they’ll be closer to the other books’ odds.  Seems the money is tracking towards Josh in the past couple of days.

[loyal2dagame]

3 hours ago, pennstate10 said:

 

OK guys, for the last time.

There are (at least) two organizations that give out an NFL MVP award.

 

One is CBS sports.  https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/nfl/2024-nfl-awards-cbs-sports-experts-cast-final-votes-for-mvp-coach-of-the-year-and-more-for-nfl-honors/ar-BB1hCmcE

The voters (32): Brett Anderson, Cody Benjamin, John Breech, Doug Clawson, Bill Cowher, Jordan Dajani, Bryan DeArdo, Leger Douzable, Jared Dubin, Josh Edwards, Jay Feely, Emory Hunt, Eric Kernish, Jeff Kerr, Aditi Kinkhabwala, Kyle Long, Joel Magaraci, Bryant McFadden, Garrett Podell, Pete Prisco, Brady Quinn, Phil Simms, Kyle Stackpole, Kevin Steimle, Tyler Sullivan, Chris Trapasso, Amy Trask, Brock Vereen, Evan Washburn, JJ Watt, Ryan Wilson, Tracy Wolfson

 

THIS IS NOT THE AWARD RECOGNIZED BY THE NFL as the "official" MVP award.  ITs just CBS tryiing to drum up clicks.

 

The award recognized by the NFL is the AP award.

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/heres-the-full-list-of-the-50-ap-awards-voters

 

This includes writers and journalists from numerous outlets, all are well-established reporters. 4 CBS journalists made this list.  The list available is last years list, but it doenst change much year to year.  Here are the 4 CBS reporters from last year:  Charles Davis, Esiason, Jonathan Jones, Adam Schein.  Call me crazy, but I dont see a sideline reporter replacing any of these guys.

 

Emmanuel Acho, FS1
Greg Auman, Fox Sports
Howard Balzer, PHNX radio
Jarrett Bell, USA Today
Dave Birkett, Detroit Free Press
Tom Brady, Fox Sports
Tedy Bruschi, ESPN
Vic Carucci, WGRZ radio
Mark Craig, Minneapolis Star Tribune
Tom Curran, NBC Sports Boston
Charles Davis, CBS Sports
Nate Davis, USA Today
Howard Deneroff, Westwood One
Tony Dungy, NBC Sports
Jori Epstein, Yahoo Sports
Boomer Esiason, CBS Sports
Doug Farrar, USA Today Sports Media
Mike Florio, Pro Football Talk
Reuben Frank, NBC Sports Philadelphia
Rich Gannon, SiriusXM
Jonathan Jones, CBS Sports
Lindsay Jones, The Ringer
Mike Jones, The Athletic
Clark Judge, Talk of Fame Network
Ira Kaufman, JoeBucsFan.com
Mina Kimes, ESPN
Peter King, NBC Sports
Pat Kirwan, SiriusXM
Jeff Legwold, ESPN
Jim Miller, SiriusXM
Sam Monson, Pro Football Focus
Bruce Murray, SiriusXM
Gary Myers, NFL author
Laura Okmin, Fox Sports
Dan Orlovsky, ESPN
Nick Pavlatos, SiriusXM
Dan Pompei, The Athletic
Nora Princiotti, The Ringer
Lorenzo Reyes, USA Today
Charles Robinson, Yahoo Sports
Dianna Russini, The Athletic
Mike Sando, The Athletic
Aaron Schatz, FTN Network
Adam Schein, CBS Sports
Tom Silverstein, Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel
Chris Simms, NBC Sports
Armando Salguero, Outkick.com
Mike Tirico, NBC Sports
Ben Volin, Boston Globe
Charean Williams, Pro Football Talk

Your list is not current. Voters have changed.

 

 

[Ralonzo]

NFL Network is jocking Lamar HARD for his UNPRECEDENTED SEASON where he went 3-0 with 10 TDs head-to-head against Allen and Burrow (who were playing LB and Safety apparently, you know, head-to-head). They even got Baldy talking about the stats with Lamar's UNPRECEDENTED yards and TD's and "you GOTTA give it to him for the stats" and "you can't give it to Allen just because he has 0 and Lamar already has 2" 

Edited Monday at 10:30 PM by Ralonzo

[Dr.Sack]

Here is why Lamar will win:

 

Cook > Henry

Hollins > Flowers

Shakir > Bateman

Kincaid > Andrews

Knox > Likely

Gilliam > Ricard 

Bills OL > Ravens OL

Hamlin > Hamilton