MVP hype for Allen

[TrentEdwardsCheckDownOn4th]

2 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

She's definitely not one of the 50 AP writers with a vote

 

Probably pwfa

It's an mvp vote my dude... she's not holding the codes to nuclear warheads. 

[Boatdrinks]

2 hours ago, Thrivefourfive said:

Who are the other voters outside of the 50 AP?

I don’t believe all 50 are AP anymore. They’ve mixed in some sports talk and tv reporters such as Aditiwhatever, Orlovsky and Kimes. Still a lot of sportswriters but not all. 

[Buffalo716]

1 hour ago, Chugga said:

I don’t think the list is as prestigious as you think it is.  I don’t think the announcers were lying she likely has a vote.  Look at last years list of voters it’s not awe inspiring.

 

1 hour ago, Chugga said:

I don’t think the list is as prestigious as you think it is.  I don’t think the announcers were lying she likely has a vote.  Look at last years list of voters it’s not awe inspiring.

Yeah but when you take into account there's 150,000 sports writers in the country and there's only 50 who get the vote... It's certainly is select 

 

I don't think it's an end all be all.. 

 

Butt the list is fairly static and I have a list of all 50 writers from last year who voted and she was not one of them.. CBS had four voters maybe five and she wasn't one of them last year 

 

So somebody must have got canned off the list if she got it

Edited yesterday at 05:16 AM by Buffalo716

[stevewin]

1 hour ago, CincyBillsFan said:

The Lions dominating win over the Vikings in which late in the 4th quarter Minn still hasn't scored a TD also helps Allen's case for MVP.  That victory at Detroit where Allen had a fantastic game looks even better today. 

And watching the game and Darnold being so affected by the pressure you couldn't help but think that Josh would be doing more to make something out of nothing

[loyal2dagame]

3 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

She's definitely not one of the 50 AP writers with a vote

 

Probably pwfa

 

[pennstate10]

3 hours ago, pennstate10 said:

I think this answers the question.

 

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/nfl/2024-nfl-awards-cbs-sports-experts-cast-final-votes-for-mvp-coach-of-the-year-and-more-for-nfl-honors/ar-BB1hCmcE

 

She is a voter for the CBS MVP award, not the real award (the AP NFL MVP award).

 

[Buffalo716]

9 minutes ago, loyal2dagame said:

 

Another CBS writer must have been booted off because she definitely has not had a vote for The last 5 years 

 

And she wasn't on the list last year

[Billznut]

Bill Barnwell of ESPN just chimed in with his prediction for MVP on SVP’s nightly show and oh so predictability announced Lamar Jackson will win MVP. The vast majority of ESPN talking pie holes jumped off the Allen MVP train within the last 3 weeks. Greeny, Orlavsky and Rex still in Allen’s corner. At least Orlavsky gets an actual vote. 

[ganesh]

8 hours ago, John Gianelli said:

Thanks for that list. I hadn't seen it. I heard her say it in the 4th quarter. It didn't sound like she was kidding. Anybody else hear her say it?

Yes. She definitely mentioned it and she also mentioned that she is 50-50 on Allen and Jackson.

[Aussie Joe]

hopefully Micah has embraced Josh now 

Someone might need to spell it out to me

 

 

[transplantbillsfan]

1 hour ago, Aussie Joe said:

hopefully Micah has embraced Josh now 

Someone might need to spell it out to me

 

 

 

Can someone tell Micah (and everyone else) that Josh played 107 fewer snaps than Lamar?

 

That's more than a game and a half worth of snaps when you consider the average NFL game has 63 snaps.

 

Anyone think if Allen wasn't pulled so consistently from games that he couldn't get another 550 yards, 2 TDs and 5 1st downs???

 

MVP was an agenda for the Ravens, clearly.

 

Against the Giants the Ravens are up 28-3 as the 4th quarter starts and they get the ball back because of a turnover on downs. Lamar stayed in the game for another TD. 

 

Would Josh?

 

In a game that was 31-2 on Christmas day, Lamar stayed in for a drive to start the 4th quarter.

 

Would Josh?

 

In a game that was 38-10 to end the 3rd quarter against the Broncos, Lamar stayed in to lead another FG drive.

 

Would Josh?

[Scott7975]

16 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Can someone tell Micah (and everyone else) that Josh played 107 fewer snaps than Lamar?

 

That's more than a game and a half worth of snaps when you consider the average NFL game has 63 snaps.

 

Anyone think if Allen wasn't pulled so consistently from games that he couldn't get another 550 yards, 2 TDs and 5 1st downs???

 

MVP was an agenda for the Ravens, clearly.

 

Against the Giants the Ravens are up 28-3 as the 4th quarter starts and they get the ball back because of a turnover on downs. Lamar stayed in the game for another TD. 

 

Would Josh?

 

In a game that was 31-2 on Christmas day, Lamar stayed in for a drive to start the 4th quarter.

 

Would Josh?

 

In a game that was 38-10 to end the 3rd quarter against the Broncos, Lamar stayed in to lead another FG drive.

 

Would Josh?

Lamar was also in against the 3 win browns until like 4 mins left of the 4th quarter. 

[LABILLBACKER]

Josh lost to 3 playoff caliber teams. Lamar lost to the terrible Browns & Raiders.  And as we all know Lamar will fold in the playoffs,  like he always does ( 75 qb rating ).

[ChrisWatson#21]

9 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Josh lost to 3 playoff caliber teams. Lamar lost to the terrible Browns & Raiders.  And as we all know Lamar will fold in the playoffs,  like he always does ( 75 qb rating ).

All division winners and on the road with two by less than three points.

[Ray Stonada]

18 hours ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said:

Going off on a tangent, but it's too bad failed 4th downs don't count as a turnover. Lamar was 0/3 on 4th downs last night. Including the last play of the 1st half where he was too cowardly to throw a hail mary and risk his precious QB rating

 

I noticed this too. Surprised me, I didn't think Lamar was so conscious of stats. I have never seen Josh refuse to risk an INT like that.

[zow2]

9 hours ago, Billznut said:

Bill Barnwell of ESPN just chimed in with his prediction for MVP on SVP’s nightly show and oh so predictability announced Lamar Jackson will win MVP. The vast majority of ESPN talking pie holes jumped off the Allen MVP train within the last 3 weeks. Greeny, Orlavsky and Rex still in Allen’s corner. At least Orlavsky gets an actual vote. 

 

They are glazing Lamar all over the shows this morning.  Some on The Facility think Lamar deserves it, but Shady says Allen has the best claim because he doesn't have a Derrick Henry that defenses must account for.  Chase thinks Lamar but says Allen sat for over 10 Qtrs and that obviously skews the stats. They won't be upset either way.  Acho says he's going to watch more film on Lamar's best and worst game's and same for Allen.  He claims he is not decided yet.

 

Voting is Wednesday, Jan. 8th at 5:00pm

[Process]

3 minutes ago, zow2 said:

 

They are glazing Lamar all over the shows this morning.  Some on The Facility think Lamar deserves it, but Shady says Allen has the best claim because he doesn't have a Derrick Henry that defenses must account for.  Chase thinks Lamar but says Allen sat for over 10 Qtrs and that obviously skews the stats. They won't be upset either way.  Acho says he's going to watch more film on Lamar's best and worst game's and same for Allen.  He claims he is not decided yet.

 

Voting is Wednesday, Jan. 8th at 5:00pm

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[zow2]

1 minute ago, Process said:

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Yeah, he said he had an "epiphany" over the weekend and thought about 45 total TDs and 4 ints.  and Lamar did enough to earn MVP.

 

 

[pennstate10]

9 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

Another CBS writer must have been booted off because she definitely has not had a vote for The last 5 years 

 

And she wasn't on the list last year

 

OK guys, for the last time.

There are (at least) two organizations that give out an NFL MVP award.

 

One is CBS sports.  https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/nfl/2024-nfl-awards-cbs-sports-experts-cast-final-votes-for-mvp-coach-of-the-year-and-more-for-nfl-honors/ar-BB1hCmcE

The voters (32): Brett Anderson, Cody Benjamin, John Breech, Doug Clawson, Bill Cowher, Jordan Dajani, Bryan DeArdo, Leger Douzable, Jared Dubin, Josh Edwards, Jay Feely, Emory Hunt, Eric Kernish, Jeff Kerr, Aditi Kinkhabwala, Kyle Long, Joel Magaraci, Bryant McFadden, Garrett Podell, Pete Prisco, Brady Quinn, Phil Simms, Kyle Stackpole, Kevin Steimle, Tyler Sullivan, Chris Trapasso, Amy Trask, Brock Vereen, Evan Washburn, JJ Watt, Ryan Wilson, Tracy Wolfson

 

THIS IS NOT THE AWARD RECOGNIZED BY THE NFL as the "official" MVP award.  ITs just CBS tryiing to drum up clicks.

 

The award recognized by the NFL is the AP award.

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/heres-the-full-list-of-the-50-ap-awards-voters

 

This includes writers and journalists from numerous outlets, all are well-established reporters. 4 CBS journalists made this list.  The list available is last years list, but it doenst change much year to year.  Here are the 4 CBS reporters from last year:  Charles Davis, Esiason, Jonathan Jones, Adam Schein.  Call me crazy, but I dont see a sideline reporter replacing any of these guys.

 

Emmanuel Acho, FS1
Greg Auman, Fox Sports
Howard Balzer, PHNX radio
Jarrett Bell, USA Today
Dave Birkett, Detroit Free Press
Tom Brady, Fox Sports
Tedy Bruschi, ESPN
Vic Carucci, WGRZ radio
Mark Craig, Minneapolis Star Tribune
Tom Curran, NBC Sports Boston
Charles Davis, CBS Sports
Nate Davis, USA Today
Howard Deneroff, Westwood One
Tony Dungy, NBC Sports
Jori Epstein, Yahoo Sports
Boomer Esiason, CBS Sports
Doug Farrar, USA Today Sports Media
Mike Florio, Pro Football Talk
Reuben Frank, NBC Sports Philadelphia
Rich Gannon, SiriusXM
Jonathan Jones, CBS Sports
Lindsay Jones, The Ringer
Mike Jones, The Athletic
Clark Judge, Talk of Fame Network
Ira Kaufman, JoeBucsFan.com
Mina Kimes, ESPN
Peter King, NBC Sports
Pat Kirwan, SiriusXM
Jeff Legwold, ESPN
Jim Miller, SiriusXM
Sam Monson, Pro Football Focus
Bruce Murray, SiriusXM
Gary Myers, NFL author
Laura Okmin, Fox Sports
Dan Orlovsky, ESPN
Nick Pavlatos, SiriusXM
Dan Pompei, The Athletic
Nora Princiotti, The Ringer
Lorenzo Reyes, USA Today
Charles Robinson, Yahoo Sports
Dianna Russini, The Athletic
Mike Sando, The Athletic
Aaron Schatz, FTN Network
Adam Schein, CBS Sports
Tom Silverstein, Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel
Chris Simms, NBC Sports
Armando Salguero, Outkick.com
Mike Tirico, NBC Sports
Ben Volin, Boston Globe
Charean Williams, Pro Football Talk

[strive_for_five_guy]

10 minutes ago, zow2 said:

 

Yeah, he said he had an "epiphany" over the weekend and thought about 45 total TDs and 4 ints.  and Lamar did enough to earn MVP.

 

 

I will never bet on Josh to win MVP again.  The back and forth and politics is agony.  Ravens fans are completely obnoxious and make me puke.  If voters don’t realize the value that Josh brings to this team this season, I don’t know when they ever will.  Regardless of who wins MVP, just want this team to obliterate anyone that gets in their way in the next four games.