MVP hype for Allen

[Stretch]

Someone should break the news to her that she doesn’t.  Lol

[Motorin']

5 minutes ago, Stretch said:

Yes, she definitely said she has a vote…100%.  Which had me questioning why.

 

She also said she's prohibited from revealing who she's voting for until after it's announced... Meanwhile voters have been saying who they're voting for for weeks.

[Chicken Boo]

22 hours ago, Ya Digg? said:

I don’t-it’s not like the guy is setting records while his team sucks. Drew Brees was routinely throwing for 5,000+ yards and no one was arguing he should’ve been the MVP during those seasons 

 

Brees was a stat padder and turned the ball over a lot.  He may have had 1 season where he was worthy of supplanting Brady or Manning or Rodgers.  

[Ya Digg?]

12 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

Brees was a stat padder and turned the ball over a lot.  He may have had 1 season where he was worthy of supplanting Brady or Manning or Rodgers.  

Sounds exactly like Burrow this season 🤷‍♂️

[Goin Breakdown]

4 hours ago, djp14150 said:

National media…

 

Lamar took Ravens to div title while Josh got benched after one snap…

He quit on his team. Some leader he is. Phhhht

[strive_for_five_guy]

1 hour ago, pennstate10 said:

She’s not on the list I saw. 
 

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/heres-the-full-list-of-the-50-ap-awards-voters

 

Note that the blowhard crew. Cowherd, Stephen Smith, Mcafee, barstool, etc aren’t on this list. 

This is last year’s list of voters.

[Chicken Boo]

30 minutes ago, Ya Digg? said:

Sounds exactly like Burrow this season 🤷‍♂️

 

Sorrt of.  51 total TDs to 14 turnovers for Burrow.

 

Brees's best year, he had 47 total TDs and 14 turnovers. 

 

He averaged about 18 turnovers per year in his prime. Averaged.  Some years were atrocious.  

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

8 hours ago, Ya Digg? said:

Seriously, this Burrow crap needs to stop. Leading the league in passing yards and touchdowns doesn’t mean you’re the MVP of the league. There’s no way you can convince me that someone with half a mind of their own, someone who is not just parroting what they hear on tv/radio, actually thinks Burrow is a serious MVP candidate. You are clearly only looking at stats with absolutely ZERO context whatsoever. The guy isn’t even setting any records, he’s just having a good statistical season.

 

So clearly all of these amazing stats Burrow has had the Bengals as the 1 seed right? 

No? Well then they are the 2 or 3 seed and have won their division, I have to be right there, aren’t I?

 

No? Oh well then fine, they are at least in the playoffs, because we know these stats translated to his team consistently winning throughout the season….right? 
 

No again?!?! You mean to tell me the Bengals STILL need 2 teams to lose today, on the final day of the season, just for them to make the Playoffs??

 

Have I gotten my point across because I laid it on pretty thick

People don’t think about burrow being in a way better position to rack up stats than any of the other mvp candidates. The guy is trailing and having to throw in pretty much every game.  We’d be getting Josh vs the rams stats every week if Josh was in the same position.  Burrows stats are pretty much meaningless in the mvp discussion 

[Ya Digg?]

5 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

Sorrt of.  51 total TDs to 14 turnovers for Burrow.

 

Brees's best year, he had 47 total TDs and 14 turnovers. 

 

He averaged about 18 turnovers per year in his prime. Averaged.  Some years were atrocious.  

Where do you see 51 total touchdowns? I see 46 passing and 2 rushing 

[Saint Doug]

It’s Allen vs Jackson and I just know we aren’t going to like the way the cards fall on this one. 

[Kelly to Allen]

11 minutes ago, Saint Doug said:

It’s Allen vs Jackson and I just know we aren’t going to like the way the cards fall on this one. 

Buffalo 44

Baltimore 24

[Stretch]

9 minutes ago, EasternOHBillsFan said:

Totally disagree... it is a WIN WIN.

 

WIN - Lamar wins the MVP and the Bills take it as a personal insult into the playoffs.

WIN - Josh wins the MVP and the Bills are even more motivated to win the whole damn thing.

Sorry, results are not revealed until the day before the Super Bowl.

[pennstate10]

33 minutes ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

This is last year’s list of voters.

I realize it’s last years voters. I’m guessing that it doesn’t change much year to year. 
 

please post a list of this years voters if you have it. 

[Aussie Joe]

Does Mahomes have a case for MVP ?

 

Look at how bad they are without him ?

[LABILLBACKER]

57 minutes ago, Saint Doug said:

It’s Allen vs Jackson and I just know we aren’t going to like the way the cards fall on this one. 

FanDuel disagrees.  Big lead

Josh  -470

Lamar +360

This thing is over!

[Chicken Boo]

1 hour ago, Ya Digg? said:

Where do you see 51 total touchdowns? I see 46 passing and 2 rushing 

Ahh, it's 43.  Thought I saw 49. 

[Ralonzo]

10 hours ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said:

 

The broadcast reaction to this play drove me insane. The announcer actually said Lamar is "one of one" for making that throw.

 

Literally 30+ starting QBs would have a TD on this play. The O-line gave him perfect protection while he threw to a stationary WR that didn't have a defender within 10 yards of him. It's hard to imagine an easier throw. 

 

Lamar's little spin-o-rama to celebrate before his guy caught it is unique I'll give him that. Absolutely no bearing on the play though.

 

Going off on a tangent, but it's too bad failed 4th downs don't count as a turnover. Lamar was 0/3 on 4th downs last night. Including the last play of the 1st half where he was too cowardly to throw a hail mary and risk his precious QB rating

 

Celebrating while pass is in the air? Allen did it on chest pass.

 

4th and 1? One team will QB sneak it and it's unstoppable. The other runs an RPO which ends up with a brick of a Kareem skyhook hitting the turf for a turnover on downs.

 

Yeah I'm biased, so what.

[Big Turk]

Final odds show Allen still a heavy favorite anywhere between -230 to -470.

[pennstate10]

4 hours ago, Yobogoya! said:

Yes they definitely said she had a vote. 

I think this answers the question.

 

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/nfl/2024-nfl-awards-cbs-sports-experts-cast-final-votes-for-mvp-coach-of-the-year-and-more-for-nfl-honors/ar-BB1hCmcE

 

She is a voter for the CBS MVP award, not the real award (the AP NFL MVP award).

[folz]

3 hours ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

Brees was a stat padder and turned the ball over a lot.  He may have had 1 season where he was worthy of supplanting Brady or Manning or Rodgers.  

 

2 hours ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

Brees's best year, he had 47 total TDs and 14 turnovers. 

 

He averaged about 18 turnovers per year in his prime. Averaged.  Some years were atrocious.  

 

First of all, Brees averaged 12.8 interceptions per season (in seasons when he was the starter). In the prime of his career (a 13-year stretch of big numbers), he averaged 15 INTs per season.

 

I also think you forgot to weigh in the fact that Drew Brees had more attempts per game than any other QB in history. More attempts = more interceptions. For example, Lamar throws 10 passes fewer per game than Brees did (that would be 170 fewer attempts per season---with 17-game seasons).

 

Brees is actually 12th all-time in TD/INT ratio. Ahead of guys like Peyton, Hurts, Allen, Ryan, Luck, Stafford, Young, Montana, Marino, etc. Yes, he threw a lot of INTs, but on a lot of attempts and along with a TON of yards and TDs.

 

We are talking about Lamar getting 4,172 passing yards (with 915 rush for 5,087 yards total). Brees had 12 seasons with 4,300+ passing yards, 8 season with 4,600+ passing yards. He had 5 seasons with 5,000+ passing yards and was only 178 yards away from having seven 5,000 yard passing season (only Mahome and Brady were able to do that more than once---two times each, compared to Drew's 5). Not taking anything away from Lamar, but Brees had 4 seasons with more total yards than Lamar has this year (and was only 19 yards away from having a 5th season with more yards than Lamar's 2024).

 

Over a 9-year span, Brees averaged 37 TDs per season. Yes, he only went over 40 TDs twice, but 37 a year is nothing to sniff at.

 

That is all way too much high-level consistency to have his career be summed up as padding stats/turnover machine. How do you pad stats across 12 NFL seasons?

 

I don't know if he ever deserved the MVP over the other guys, but let's not just dismiss how great he was.