MVP hype for Allen

[djp14150]

National media…

 

Lamar took Ravens to div title while Josh got benched after one snap…

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

16 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

 

In the end I think Allen wins it but my cases for the other players are still valid.

 

 

Yes. But everyone else is pointing out that they only lead Allen in one category, stats. Allen leads in all the other categories that define an MVP outside of stats and that is why he is going to win.

 

And it's not like Allen's stats are average. He's not having an average year like say a Mahomes. Bringing up guys like Tua and Dak don't make a sound argument  in your favor. Sure they are both valuable to their team. But their stats are poor this year due to both missing so many games and not playing at a high level. 

Allen and the Bills will potentially become the first QB/team to beat a 16 win and 15 win team in the regular season.

[GoBills808]

23 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

I totally understand your take and mostly agree. But you have to admit stats matter to a large degree. You can lots of players matter to the success of their team. Look waht happened to Dolphins without Tua. Dallas without Dak.  Take Daniels away from Washington and they win 5 games.  Take Lamar away from Henry and Henry is not getting anywhere near the rush yards he has. It goes both ways with Jackson and Henry. 

I do think the turnover narrative was real and ultimately prevented Allen from winning it last year. I don't understand why people think there is a narrative for Lamar to win the MVP. Don't know where that comes from. The media love all great QBs. 

In the end I think Allen wins it but my cases for the other players are still valid.

I get your point. And yes no playoffs and no way he is in MVP discussion. 

So when Allen was great last year and the Bills defense was garbage almost missing the playoffs, it was still an MVP performance.

But when Burrow overcomes a trash defense it is not. I got it. 

People just want consistency 

 

Like do turnovers matter or don't they

 

Do TDs and yards matter or not

 

Does record matter or not

[Ethan in Cleveland]

1 minute ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

 

Yes. But everyone else is pointing out that they only lead Allen in one category, stats. Allen leads in all the other categories that define an MVP outside of stats and that is why he is going to win.

 

And it's not like Allen's stats are average. He's not having an average year like say a Mahomes. Bringing up guys like Tua and Dak don't make a sound argument  in your favor. Sure they are both valuable to their team. But their stats are poor this year due to both missing so many games and not playing at a high level. 

As long as they don't define the criteria for MVP there were always be debates. But that's a good thing not a bad thing. 

Allen is deserving of it and I hope he wins it. 

 

[ganesh]

4 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

 

 

Allen and the Bills will potentially become the first QB/team to beat a 16 win and 15 win team in the regular season.

They would likely be beating the #1 teams in AFC and NFC respectively...

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

26 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

 

So when Allen was great last year and the Bills defense was garbage almost missing the playoffs, it was still an MVP performance.

But when Burrow overcomes a trash defense it is not. I got it. 

 

Did Allen win the MVP last year? Not only did he not win it, the vote was 49-1 in favor of Lamar. Precedent has been set. 

 

Allen also took the team to the 2 seed. Joe Burrow is hoping to take his team to the 7 seed if they get help. Bills didn't need any help going into the final weekend. 

2 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

As long as they don't define the criteria for MVP there were always be debates. But that's a good thing not a bad thing. 

Allen is deserving of it and I hope he wins it. 

 

 

I agree. MVP does not need a clear definition. I'm always confused by people that complain that it is not clearly defined. We all know the components that make up an MVP. Then it is up to the voters to sort out how those various components are weighted for that particular year.

[Warriorspikes51]

I think Josh will win it, but Lamar will get a lot of votes as well

[Warriorspikes51]

this is a really lame tweet from Adam.

 

Perhaps Josh can use it as fuel 

 

Ravens fans are more annoying than any fanbase. Accusing Josh of stat padding when he isn’t even playing….while Lamar was in the game with 4 minutes left against the Browns and piled on against a putrid Giants team. What a joke. I hope they get destroyed by the Steelers/Chargers

[Bills!Win!]

Looks like the 3 way MVP race between Allen, Jackson and Trubisky is turning into a 2 way race between Allen and Jackson

Edited Sunday at 07:22 PM by Bills!Win!

[strive_for_five_guy]

11 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

this is a really lame tweet from Adam.

 

Perhaps Josh can use it as fuel 

 

Ravens fans are more annoying than any fanbase. Accusing Josh of stat padding when he isn’t even playing….while Lamar was in the game with 4 minutes left against the Browns and piled on against a putrid Giants team. What a joke. I hope they get destroyed by the Steelers/Chargers

I wonder what Schefter’s bonuses are based on?  Lame attempts to get attention and be relevant?

[Mikie2times]

If people want consistency you just need to pay attention to the stats that matter. 
 

- No QB in recent history has won with anything less than a 3 to 1 Pass TD/INT ratio. The voters value limiting turnovers. 

 

- Only 2 players have won 3 times in 6 years. Manning and Favre. Voters are hesitant to keep giving the same player the award. 

 

- 10 of the last 13 QB’s who won the award at QB have either led the NFL in wins or tied for the lead. Wins matter.

 

Add this up and Allen is the guy this year. 

 

 

[stuvian]

Clinching the division in September is not helping Allen's mvp campaign 

[strive_for_five_guy]

1 minute ago, stuvian said:

Clinching the division in September is not helping Allen's mvp campaign 

Yea, if we had only lost to one of our division opponents like the Ravens found ways to lose to the Browns and Steelers.

[John Gianelli]

Sideline reporter Aditi Kinkhsbwala just said she is one of the 50 MVP voters? Makes me wonder about the award.

[Kelly to Allen]

Josh Allen was the first QB in NFL history to have 30 plus passing touchdowns, 4000 passing yds, and 750 rushing yds. He did this in 2021 and 2022 back to back years. 

 

Not only did nobody talk about it in the media, he didn't make the pro bowl in 21 or all pro in 22. 

 

And Allen had 4000 passing yds in 13 games in both years. 

 

And in 22 he did it with a turn elbow....

 

And he beat mahomes in 21

And he beat both mahomes and Lamar in 22 on the road 

Edited Sunday at 09:24 PM by Kelly to Allen

[pennstate10]

21 minutes ago, John Gianelli said:

Sideline reporter Aditi Kinkhsbwala just said she is one of the 50 MVP voters? Makes me wonder about the award.

She’s not on the list I saw. 
 

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/heres-the-full-list-of-the-50-ap-awards-voters

 

Note that the blowhard crew. Cowherd, Stephen Smith, Mcafee, barstool, etc aren’t on this list. 

[John Gianelli]

1 minute ago, pennstate10 said:

She’s not on the list I saw. 
 

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/heres-the-full-list-of-the-50-ap-awards-voters

 

Note that the blowhard crew. Cowherd, Stephen Smith, Mcafee, barstool, etc aren’t on this list. 

Thanks for that list. I hadn't seen it. I heard her say it in the 4th quarter. It didn't sound like she was kidding. Anybody else hear her say it?

[pennstate10]

1 minute ago, John Gianelli said:

Thanks for that list. I hadn't seen it. I heard her say it in the 4th quarter. It didn't sound like she was kidding. Anybody else hear her say it?

I didn’t hear it, but I know there is an alternate organization that votes for mvp as well.  But the AP vote is the one that is recognized by the nfl. 

[Stretch]

Yes, she definitely said she has a vote…100%.  Which had me questioning why.

[Yobogoya!]

6 minutes ago, John Gianelli said:

Thanks for that list. I hadn't seen it. I heard her say it in the 4th quarter. It didn't sound like she was kidding. Anybody else hear her say it?

Yes they definitely said she had a vote.