MVP hype for Allen

[Billsfanatic8989]

Just now, That's No Moon said:

To be clear, it is not possible for me to care less about this, but you know what the narrative will be whether it's accurate or not. It's always presented as QB v. QB.

I know that's how media narrates it. And you are correct. 

 

But I hate it. 

 

But yeah...it'll always be a media narrative.

[Goin Breakdown]

40 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

The only thing I see when I watch the Ravens is that when Derrick Henry doesn't get yards, Lamar struggles.

 

This is the 7th or 8th time I've watched them this year and it's been true every single game.

 

Henry is the MVP of that team.

Agree almost 100%. Lamar is great yes, but look at the two halves of the game Henry goes off, so does Lamar. Baltimore has a team at the moment that is put together with more talent than Buffalo. Maybe next year that changes a little idk but right now Josh is doing more with less and we all know it. 

[strive_for_five_guy]

17 minutes ago, BillytheKid said:

Yea it will be. Josh will win it. I have already seen a lot of MVP voters saying they are taking Josh. 
 

I study these Vegas odds all the time. Nobody that has been favored as a -245 favorite or higher in the MVP voting after the last game has ever lost it. 
 

Vegas odds or sportsbook odds on these things will tell you more than any noise that these media personalities saying things on the tv or YouTube ever will. That’s all just extra stuff to get views. 

Pat Surtain has become the recent DPOY favorite, around -200 currently.  Do you think he’s got it locked up too, or would you say it depends how the games go tomorrow?  I think that race is actually still wide open, and guys like Kerby Joseph and Andrew Van Gunkel still have some pretty juicy odds out there (like 25-1 and 30-1).  But maybe Vegas knows the media is settling on Surtain as worthy at this point.

[dma0034]

Just now, strive_for_five_guy said:

Pat Surtain has become the recent DPOY favorite, around -200 currently.  Do you think he’s got it locked up too, or would you say it depends how the games go tomorrow?  I think that race is actually still wide open, and guys like Kerby Joseph and Andrew Van Gunkel still have some pretty juicy odds out there (like 25-1 and 30-1).  But maybe Vegas knows the media is settling on Surtain as worthy at this point.

 

TJ Watt

[Playoffs?]

2 minutes ago, Goin Breakdown said:

Agree almost 100%. Lamar is great yes, but look at the two halves of the game Henry goes off, so does Lamar. Baltimore has a team at the moment that is put together with more talent than Buffalo. Maybe next year that changes a little idk but right now Josh is doing more with less and we all know it. 

The Ravens are 3-5 when Henry rushed for under 100 yards. Teams have to stack the box with Henry back there. That puts one less pass defender back there for Lamar to worry about. 
 

In contrast, Buffalo is 9-3 when Cook didn’t rush for 100 yards. Our run game doesn’t scare anyone per se, and teams are t stacking the box… they’re protecting against Allen. 
 

That’s what I think at least…

[dma0034]

I saw somewhere that they NFL should have a Cy Young like award for QBs so they can redefine the MVP. I also think the NFL should do OC and DC of the year because Aiden O'Connell rightfully desires HC of the year but man Brian Flores killed it and ofcourse so did Ben Johnson

2 minutes ago, Playoffs? said:

The Ravens are 3-5 when Henry rushed for under 100 yards. Teams have to stack the box with Henry back there. That puts one less pass defender back there for Lamar to worry about. 
 

In contrast, Buffalo is 9-3 when Cook didn’t rush for 100 yards. Our run game doesn’t scare anyone per se, and teams are t stacking the box… they’re protecting against Allen. 
 

That’s what I think at least…

 

I agree and to add the Ravens are 2-5 when Lamar throws 30 times (one of those wins was in OT). So if a team is making the Ravens throws that much they have probably done a good job at slowing down Henry and therefore equates to losses

[transplantbillsfan]

Josh will (and should) win.

 

Lamar's game today was pretty blah. 50% completion percentage with a lot of misses that were directly on him. 

 

I never really thought today would matter much, but I don't see how Allen doesn't win MVP unless voters are just truly that biased.

 

 

 

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and frankly, they might be...

[Doc Brown]

32 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

Josh will (and should) win.

 

Lamar's game today was pretty blah. 50% completion percentage with a lot of misses that were directly on him. 

 

I never really thought today would matter much, but I don't see how Allen doesn't win MVP unless voters are just truly that biased.

 

 

 

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and frankly, they might be...

I actually have this race as a dead heat but nothing Lamar did today will sway those on the fence voters who were either leaning Allen or leaning Jackson.

[Udubalum07]

I think that tonight cemented it for allen.  If Lamar went off for 5 touchdowns and close to a perfect passer rating like the end of last year, he may have moved up to be the favorite.  He was very average and the team won easily. 

 

I think Allen has it in the bag. 

[BeastMaster]

Henry is absolutely the engine that drives Baltimores offense

 

Take him out of the game, and keep Lamar in the pocket

 

Make him beat our linebackers and secondary with his arm

[Ethan in Cleveland]

Going to get flamed here, but in most other years Allen is the runaway MVP. He yet may still win it this year.  This is the best he has ever played.  No player means more to his team than Allen does, even Barkley.  Being the first NFL QB to get 40 TDs 5 years in a row is unreal, but MVP is a single season - regular season award.  

 

Lamar Jackson going for 4000 yards and 900 rushing has never been done before - I know 17 games vs 16 but it is still unprecedented. He has 13 more TD passes than Allen and his TD/INT ratio is ridiculous.  His passer rating is 18 points higher than Allen's. This season is also the best he has ever played.

 

Burrow leads the league in passing yards and TDs, and has a higher passer rating than Allen.  He has lead his team with one of the worst defenses in the league to a possible playoff spot.  You can make an argument even with how great Jackson has been, Burrow has been the better QB. 

 

Barkley's rushing season is more historic than Allen's.  His season is 8th best all time, and he is one decent carry away from a top 5 all time season.  

 

In any other year Allen is MVP, but in this one year you can make a case he isn't even in the top 3.

[BananaB]

7 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Going to get flamed here, but in most other years Allen is the runaway MVP. He yet may still win it this year.  This is the best he has ever played.  No player means more to his team than Allen does, even Barkley.  Being the first NFL QB to get 40 TDs 5 years in a row is unreal, but MVP is a single season - regular season award.  

 

Lamar Jackson going for 4000 yards and 900 rushing has never been done before - I know 17 games vs 16 but it is still unprecedented. He has 13 more TD passes than Allen and his TD/INT ratio is ridiculous.  His passer rating is 18 points higher than Allen's. This season is also the best he has ever played.

 

Burrow leads the league in passing yards and TDs, and has a higher passer rating than Allen.  He has lead his team with one of the worst defenses in the league to a possible playoff spot.  You can make an argument even with how great Jackson has been, Burrow has been the better QB. 

 

Barkley's rushing season is more historic than Allen's.  His season is 8th best all time, and he is one decent carry away from a top 5 all time season.  

 

In any other year Allen is MVP, but in this one year you can make a case he isn't even in the top 3.

Man over the past few weeks I either seen in games or in highlights of WRs or TEs standing in the endzone with absolutely no defender near them in. It’s like playing catch in his front yard. Stats don’t mean ***** if you watch the tape. Look at last night, stat padding. Houston game late in the 3rd up 20 and they pull out the play action on 1st down on the one yard line. Come on, give me a ***** break. Typical Harbaugh

Edited Sunday at 01:34 PM by BananaB

[FireChans]

8 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Going to get flamed here, but in most other years Allen is the runaway MVP. He yet may still win it this year.  This is the best he has ever played.  No player means more to his team than Allen does, even Barkley.  Being the first NFL QB to get 40 TDs 5 years in a row is unreal, but MVP is a single season - regular season award.  

 

Lamar Jackson going for 4000 yards and 900 rushing has never been done before - I know 17 games vs 16 but it is still unprecedented. He has 13 more TD passes than Allen and his TD/INT ratio is ridiculous.  His passer rating is 18 points higher than Allen's. This season is also the best he has ever played.

 

Burrow leads the league in passing yards and TDs, and has a higher passer rating than Allen.  He has lead his team with one of the worst defenses in the league to a possible playoff spot.  You can make an argument even with how great Jackson has been, Burrow has been the better QB. 

 

Barkley's rushing season is more historic than Allen's.  His season is 8th best all time, and he is one decent carry away from a top 5 all time season.  

 

In any other year Allen is MVP, but in this one year you can make a case he isn't even in the top 3.

You are absolutely gonna get flamed but you are right, Lamar has a really good case because his year has been insane.

 

It doesn’t matter though. Purdy had an incredible statistical season last year and wasn’t close. And Lamar won’t get 3 MVPs before he’s made a Super Bowl. 
 

The money is rightly on Josh. 

[Strethor]

4 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Going to get flamed here, but in most other years Allen is the runaway MVP. He yet may still win it this year.  This is the best he has ever played.  No player means more to his team than Allen does, even Barkley.  Being the first NFL QB to get 40 TDs 5 years in a row is unreal, but MVP is a single season - regular season award.  

 

Lamar Jackson going for 4000 yards and 900 rushing has never been done before - I know 17 games vs 16 but it is still unprecedented. He has 13 more TD passes than Allen and his TD/INT ratio is ridiculous.  His passer rating is 18 points higher than Allen's. This season is also the best he has ever played.

 

Burrow leads the league in passing yards and TDs, and has a higher passer rating than Allen.  He has lead his team with one of the worst defenses in the league to a possible playoff spot.  You can make an argument even with how great Jackson has been, Burrow has been the better QB. 

 

Barkley's rushing season is more historic than Allen's.  His season is 8th best all time, and he is one decent carry away from a top 5 all time season.  

 

In any other year Allen is MVP, but in this one year you can make a case he isn't even in the top 3.

You are making an argument for MVP about stats, it's most valuable and entirely controlled by media narratives. The narrative was last year that Allen turns the ball over and plays hero ball. He's stopped turning the ball over. The narrative was he can't produce without a Diggs. He has had his best season without Diggs. Our skill position players are dependable but are not world beating guys, it's mostly our OL that's great. Our skill position players will fail to get to 1000 yards, the tape reads like Allen is raising the offense (also Brady but Allen is the driver). I think if you remove Allen from Buffalo we miss the playoffs. He represents what the MVP award is. The narrative with Ravens fans was to suppress anything about stats last year and now it's the most important factor when Allen has beat both #1 seeds. 

 

 

[oldmanfan]

15 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Going to get flamed here, but in most other years Allen is the runaway MVP. He yet may still win it this year.  This is the best he has ever played.  No player means more to his team than Allen does, even Barkley.  Being the first NFL QB to get 40 TDs 5 years in a row is unreal, but MVP is a single season - regular season award.  

 

Lamar Jackson going for 4000 yards and 900 rushing has never been done before - I know 17 games vs 16 but it is still unprecedented. He has 13 more TD passes than Allen and his TD/INT ratio is ridiculous.  His passer rating is 18 points higher than Allen's. This season is also the best he has ever played.

 

Burrow leads the league in passing yards and TDs, and has a higher passer rating than Allen.  He has lead his team with one of the worst defenses in the league to a possible playoff spot.  You can make an argument even with how great Jackson has been, Burrow has been the better QB. 

 

Barkley's rushing season is more historic than Allen's.  His season is 8th best all time, and he is one decent carry away from a top 5 all time season.  

 

In any other year Allen is MVP, but in this one year you can make a case he isn't even in the top 3.

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[Scott7975]

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

45 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Going to get flamed here, but in most other years Allen is the runaway MVP. He yet may still win it this year.  This is the best he has ever played.  No player means more to his team than Allen does, even Barkley.  Being the first NFL QB to get 40 TDs 5 years in a row is unreal, but MVP is a single season - regular season award.  

 

Lamar Jackson going for 4000 yards and 900 rushing has never been done before - I know 17 games vs 16 but it is still unprecedented. He has 13 more TD passes than Allen and his TD/INT ratio is ridiculous.  His passer rating is 18 points higher than Allen's. This season is also the best he has ever played.

 

Burrow leads the league in passing yards and TDs, and has a higher passer rating than Allen.  He has lead his team with one of the worst defenses in the league to a possible playoff spot.  You can make an argument even with how great Jackson has been, Burrow has been the better QB. 

 

Barkley's rushing season is more historic than Allen's.  His season is 8th best all time, and he is one decent carry away from a top 5 all time season.  

 

In any other year Allen is MVP, but in this one year you can make a case he isn't even in the top 3.

Hard to flame anyone when there isn’t really a clear definition what mvp even means lol. If it is a pure statistical award you could probably make a case for any of those guys.  
 

i dont get this Lamar running away with it stats wise thing though, why do his rushing yards count but not his 5 lost fumbles? He actually has more turnovers than josh does and the total tds isn’t crazy different despite the ravens having another mvp candidate on offense that defenses have to account for.   
 

Burrow really shouldn’t win, if Josh or Lamar were trailing all game every game they would absolutely be going off just as much if not more. 

14 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

Could just be only when I’m watching but the vast majority of Lamar’s big plays that I’ve seen are like this haha he had a really nice throw to a well

covered Andrews last night which had me thinking about how rare it was that his receiver isn’t comically wide open 

Edited Sunday at 02:14 PM by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Doc]

12 hours ago, BillsFooteball said:

Anyone know betting odds how it moved after the game? 

 

I've been following Polymarket since my son mentioned it to me a couple weeks ago.  Josh was then and is still hovering at around 78%

 

12 hours ago, The Wiz said:

Pretty sure it was Allen when accounting for INTs and fumbles lost but how far down the list do they really look on the stat sheet for fumbles lost?

I honestly dont know if they can.  We were missing everyone in the middle of the field on defense the first time we played them but Henry and Lamar just suck everyone to the line of scrimmage on every play.

 

It's going to have to be a master class on how to defend the best rushing RB and best rushing QB while also covering Flowers, Bateman and Andrews.

 

It's a turnover.  If INTs are bad, so too should be fumbles.  And arguably fumbles are worse since they happen more up-field than INTs.

 

9 hours ago, Big Turk said:

The only thing I see when I watch the Ravens is that when Derrick Henry doesn't get yards, Lamar struggles.

 

This is the 7th or 8th time I've watched them this year and it's been true every single game.

 

Henry is the MVP of that team.

 

I was going to say this.  If last night showed anything, it's than Henry is a huge weapon on that offense and takes the luster off Lamar's performance this year.

[Ya Digg?]

43 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Going to get flamed here, but in most other years Allen is the runaway MVP. He yet may still win it this year.  This is the best he has ever played.  No player means more to his team than Allen does, even Barkley.  Being the first NFL QB to get 40 TDs 5 years in a row is unreal, but MVP is a single season - regular season award.  

 

Lamar Jackson going for 4000 yards and 900 rushing has never been done before - I know 17 games vs 16 but it is still unprecedented. He has 13 more TD passes than Allen and his TD/INT ratio is ridiculous.  His passer rating is 18 points higher than Allen's. This season is also the best he has ever played.

 

Burrow leads the league in passing yards and TDs, and has a higher passer rating than Allen.  He has lead his team with one of the worst defenses in the league to a possible playoff spot.  You can make an argument even with how great Jackson has been, Burrow has been the better QB. 

 

Barkley's rushing season is more historic than Allen's.  His season is 8th best all time, and he is one decent carry away from a top 5 all time season.  

 

In any other year Allen is MVP, but in this one year you can make a case he isn't even in the top 3.

Seriously, this Burrow crap needs to stop. Leading the league in passing yards and touchdowns doesn’t mean you’re the MVP of the league. There’s no way you can convince me that someone with half a mind of their own, someone who is not just parroting what they hear on tv/radio, actually thinks Burrow is a serious MVP candidate. You are clearly only looking at stats with absolutely ZERO context whatsoever. The guy isn’t even setting any records, he’s just having a good statistical season.

 

So clearly all of these amazing stats Burrow has had the Bengals as the 1 seed right? 

No? Well then they are the 2 or 3 seed and have won their division, I have to be right there, aren’t I?

 

No? Oh well then fine, they are at least in the playoffs, because we know these stats translated to his team consistently winning throughout the season….right? 
 

No again?!?! You mean to tell me the Bengals STILL need 2 teams to lose today, on the final day of the season, just for them to make the Playoffs??

 

Have I gotten my point across because I laid it on pretty thick

[DabillsDaBillsDaBills]

16 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

The broadcast reaction to this play drove me insane. The announcer actually said Lamar is "one of one" for making that throw.

 

Literally 30+ starting QBs would have a TD on this play. The O-line gave him perfect protection while he threw to a stationary WR that didn't have a defender within 10 yards of him. It's hard to imagine an easier throw. 

 

Lamar's little spin-o-rama to celebrate before his guy caught it is unique I'll give him that. Absolutely no bearing on the play though.

 

Going off on a tangent, but it's too bad failed 4th downs don't count as a turnover. Lamar was 0/3 on 4th downs last night. Including the last play of the 1st half where he was too cowardly to throw a hail mary and risk his precious QB rating