MVP hype for Allen

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

38 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

I will also add for every ounce of athletic ability given to Lamar he had to trade away equal amounts of  physical appearance. He has to be one of the uglier dudes to ever lace them up. Which is fine by me, I eat red meat and bang fine straight women, however the league deserves a more appealing QB like Joshua. 

why just straight women though?

[Bill51390]

They are trying their best now to hype up Jackson for MVP. I wouldn’t be surprised if he ends up with it now. 

Edited Sunday at 03:15 AM by Bill51390

[loyal2dagame]

5 minutes ago, Bill51390 said:

They are trying their best now to hype up Jackson for MVP. I wouldn’t be surprised if he ends up with it now. 

Well,  he did just beat Cleveland's 3rd and 4th string QBs at the same time.  If that doesn't say MVP, I don't know what does. 

[BillsFan130]

1 hour ago, TrentEdwardsCheckDownOn4th said:

They moved slightly towards lamar but allen still a solid favorite. 

I'm surprised they moved it after this game. Maybe because they won the division, but not like Lamar did anything special tonight 

[cle23]

On 1/3/2025 at 10:51 AM, Mat68 said:

I think Allen wins and it’s all but over.  Jackson has to play to secure the division.  Allen locked his up a month ago.  Better record less talent around him.  Take into account fumbles Allen has less turnovers.  Jackson is having a fantastic season.  Having the leading rusher in the conference has greatly helped that.   

 

Comparing the AFC North to the AFC East is laughable.  The Bills locked it up a month ago because overall, its one of the worst divisions in football.

[strive_for_five_guy]

2 hours ago, zow2 said:

 

I saw somewhere Allen -245 and Lamar +180

 

Which is still a much wider gap than what Lamar had over the field last season at the end and he won 49-1 

Lamar’s odds were -20000 heading INTO Week 18 last year, with Dak second at +1800.  And they didn’t change much or at all after Week 18, to my memory, as he didn’t even play.  This year the vote will be a lot closer than 49-1.

 

https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10103361-nfl-2023-mvp-odds-tips-on-the-favorites-and-best-values-for-week-18.amp.html

[Big Turk]

1 hour ago, Bill51390 said:

They are trying their best now to hype up Jackson for MVP. I wouldn’t be surprised if he ends up with it now. 

 

The only thing I see when I watch the Ravens is that when Derrick Henry doesn't get yards, Lamar struggles.

 

This is the 7th or 8th time I've watched them this year and it's been true every single game.

 

Henry is the MVP of that team.

Edited Sunday at 04:21 AM by Big Turk

[Process]

2 hours ago, zow2 said:

 

I saw somewhere Allen -245 and Lamar +180

 

Which is still a much wider gap than what Lamar had over the field last season at the end and he won 49-1 

I don't remember what the odds were but that's definitely not true. Lamar was a lock at the end of last year. 

[ChrisWatson#21]

1 hour ago, Bill51390 said:

They are trying their best now to hype up Jackson for MVP. I wouldn’t be surprised if he ends up with it now. 

It's in the bag.  They're just trying to get a better price on Allen. 

[zow2]

At the end of the SF national tv game last year where Lamar “clinched it” i recall he was something like -180.  

 

On Fanduel tonight i saw Allen at -270 and Jackson +200

[Process]

2 minutes ago, zow2 said:

At the end of the SF national tv game last year where Lamar “clinched it” i recall he was something like -180.  

 

On Fanduel tonight i saw Allen at -270 and Jackson +200

I thought you meant at the end as in after Week 18 like where we are at now.

[strive_for_five_guy]

4 minutes ago, zow2 said:

At the end of the SF national tv game last year where Lamar “clinched it” i recall he was something like -180.  

 

On Fanduel tonight i saw Allen at -270 and Jackson +200

They were, but that was after Week 16 last year.  Then Lamar put up 5 TDs on Miami and a perfect passer rating in Week 17, and his odds went to the -20000 I shared.  He was a lock at the end of last season.  Josh’s odds are far from -20000.

[BillytheKid]

Josh is -245 and will stay there or go higher. 
 

Josh will win MVP easily. Nobody that has had those odds have ever lost. 

[Chugga]

Honestly I felt like the odds should have moved after the pro bowl announcement.  While I personally don’t put a lot of faith into the pro bowl voting, the voting itself does paint a pretty vivid picture.

 

The Ravens have 9 pro bowlers total, with the Ravens offense having 5 players itself.  That’s nearly 50% of Lamar’s offense is considered the best at their position.  Lamar’s RB, FB, WR, and C were the best the AFC had to offer.

 

You can’t make a better argument for doing more with less.  The Bills have two pro bowlers.  Josh and his LT.  But he’s sitting out week 18 because the team he’s leading already is locked into the 2 seed and has nothing to play for.

 

The icing on the cake is the fact that last year they clearly doubled down and said stats are not the deciding factor and what you are able to accomplish and with who is a large portion of the vote.  No 1000 yard rusher, no 1000 yard receiver.  No pro bowler at any skill position.  I appreciate that Lamar is absolutely killing it this year.  To me he’s the offensive player of the year (sorry Saquon).  But Josh is the MVP

 

 

[strive_for_five_guy]

Just now, BillytheKid said:

Josh is -245 and will stay there or go higher. 
 

Josh will win MVP easily. Nobody that has had those odds have ever lost. 

Seems like a free ROI of 41%, right?

[ChrisWatson#21]

1 minute ago, BillytheKid said:

Josh is -245 and will stay there or go higher. 
 

Josh will win MVP easily. Nobody that has had those odds have ever lost. 

He will.  Lamar is at +200 because someone else has to take some play since third place and above are out of it.

[BillytheKid]

1 minute ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

Seems like a free ROI of 41%, right?

Yea it will be. Josh will win it. I have already seen a lot of MVP voters saying they are taking Josh. 
 

I study these Vegas odds all the time. Nobody that has been favored as a -245 favorite or higher in the MVP voting after the last game has ever lost it. 
 

Vegas odds or sportsbook odds on these things will tell you more than any noise that these media personalities saying things on the tv or YouTube ever will. That’s all just extra stuff to get views. 

[That's No Moon]

Well. If Allen takes down Burrow, Lamar, and Pat in successive weeks it pretty much answers the question does it not?

[Billsfanatic8989]

Just now, That's No Moon said:

Well. If Allen takes down Burrow, Lamar, and Pat in successive weeks it pretty much answers the question does it not?

That's complicated because they aren't going head to head. Allen faces their D. Opponent faces our D.

 

Allen could go 37/41, 5 TD's, 400 yards with zero picks. 

 

Lamar goes 34/43, 5 TD's, 385 yards with one pick.

 

Bass misses two kicks. Ravens win 45-40. 

 

We can't really say "Lamar took down Allen." Moreso, "Lamar shredded the Bills D." The reverse is true too.

[That's No Moon]

Just now, Billsfanatic8989 said:

That's complicated because they aren't going head to head. Allen faces their D. Opponent faces our D.

 

Allen could go 37/41, 5 TD's, 400 yards with zero picks. 

 

Lamar goes 34/43, 5 TD's, 385 yards with one pick.

 

Bass misses two kicks. Ravens win 45-40. 

 

We can't really say "Lamar took down Allen." Moreso, "Lamar shredded the Bills D." The reverse is true too.

To be clear, it is not possible for me to care less about this, but you know what the narrative will be whether it's accurate or not. It's always presented as QB v. QB.