MVP hype for Allen

[Ya Digg?]

2 hours ago, Chicken Boo said:

The Ravens are averaging the 2nd most yards per play in league history.

 

Again, Josh will likely win, but it's hard to dismiss the historical season Lamar is having.  

 

I feel bad for Burrow and Saquon. 

I don’t-it’s not like the guy is setting records while his team sucks. Drew Brees was routinely throwing for 5,000+ yards and no one was arguing he should’ve been the MVP during those seasons 

[Buddy Hix]

52 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

Jackson= better stats

Allen= better record

Allen= bigger moments 

Allen= worse talent 

I agree but I am not sure that voters care. I still think that the vanilla game plan vs Pats really hurt Allen’s chances. And giving the TD to cook last week from the 1 yard line didn’t help. You’d think an organization that can’t seem to get Allen any help would do better, but Bills….

[Turbo44]

9 minutes ago, Buddy Hix said:

I agree but I am not sure that voters care. I still think that the vanilla game plan vs Pats really hurt Allen’s chances. And giving the TD to cook last week from the 1 yard line didn’t help. You’d think an organization that can’t seem to get Allen any help would do better, but Bills….

Lamar hasn’t done anything today to enhance his mvp odds. A lot of miss throws and 14 points scored 

[Buddy Hix]

2 minutes ago, Turbo44 said:

Lamar hasn’t done anything today to enhance his mvp odds. A lot of miss throws and 14 points scored 

He’s already got 2 TDs and the Ravens are making an effort, again, to pad his stats. The Bills didn’t afford Josh the same effort, which is crazy to me.

 

Allen is the only reason this team is good/relevant, and they don’t do right by him imo.

[Motorin']

7 minutes ago, Buddy Hix said:

He’s already got 2 TDs and the Ravens are making an effort, again, to pad his stats. The Bills didn’t afford Josh the same effort, which is crazy to me.

 

Allen is the only reason this team is good/relevant, and they don’t do right by him imo.

 

No way. He doesn't give one ***** about padding his stats. He wants to win football games and championships. 

[LABILLBACKER]

On 1/3/2025 at 12:53 PM, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

Nick Wright has been one of the biggest bills in Allen supporters in the media this year. And from game one really.

 

 

I agree...I used to hate his daily incessant anti-Bills/Allen vitriol.  But probably because his beloved Chiefs have 3 recent rings, he's started to finally appreciate the greatest of 17.

 

[zow2]

A lot of people don’t seem to grasp this. but the reason Lamar is going to finish second for MVP is not because he’s not great or that his 2024 stats aren’t awesome.  He is, and they are.

 

He’s not winning it due to historical precedent.  Lamar has 2 MVPs on his mantle. He will not be awarded a 3rd until the voters see some solid playoff success and/or a SB Championship.

 

Its even easier to justify Allen due to better record, “doing more with less”, the two gigantic wins over KC and Detroit and a bunch of splash plays in big televised games + fewer turnovers 

 

 

[The Wiz]

13 minutes ago, zow2 said:

A lot of people don’t seem to grasp this. but the reason Lamar is going to finish second for MVP is not because he’s not great or that his 2024 stats aren’t awesome.  He is, and they are.

 

He’s not winning it due to historical precedent.  Lamar has 2 MVPs on his mantle. He will not be awarded a 3rd until the voters see some solid playoff success and/or a SB Championship.

 

Its even easier to justify Allen due to better record, “doing more with less”, the two gigantic wins over KC and Detroit and a bunch of splash plays in big televised games + fewer turnovers 

 

 

You're giving voters a lot of credit for actually using some sort of metric to determine their MVP vote.

[Doc]

1 minute ago, The Wiz said:

You're giving voters a lot of credit for actually using some sort of metric to determine their MVP vote.

 

Consistency would be nice.  Who won the turnover battle?

[Turbo44]

Your 2024 mvp is officially Josh Allen. Lamar had to blow up today to have any chance and he was average to below average.

 

Josh wants the Lombardi trophy

[Mikie2times]

25 minutes ago, zow2 said:

A lot of people don’t seem to grasp this. but the reason Lamar is going to finish second for MVP is not because he’s not great or that his 2024 stats aren’t awesome.  He is, and they are.

 

He’s not winning it due to historical precedent.  Lamar has 2 MVPs on his mantle. He will not be awarded a 3rd until the voters see some solid playoff success and/or a SB Championship.

 

Its even easier to justify Allen due to better record, “doing more with less”, the two gigantic wins over KC and Detroit and a bunch of splash plays in big televised games + fewer turnovers 

 

 

I agree with this. Manning won two early, then finished 2nd and 3rd not getting another until he won the Super Bowl. I wouldn’t say it’s a guaranteed rule but I think an element exists with voting where it’s like, you fooled me. I’m not going to do this right away again unless I have no choice and this year they certainly do. 
 

Then you also have Burrow mucking it up from a statistic standpoint. It makes it sort of like, well, all three are about as good as it gets statistically (even if Allen is a hair behind). Really, all three have produced MVP years statistically. Which sort of leads us to where we are. Allen has just produced more MVP moments. His team is doing the best. He has the least to work with of the three and has done more on his own. Which I think gives him the nod.
 

With that can we also say Ravens or even Bengals fans have some reason to B word? Well sure, if Allen put up a year like Burrow or Lamar and didn’t win we would think it’s a damn travesty. For those that think it’s already happened like that, the voters hate INT’s, always have. I don’t know of any recent winner under a 3 to 1 TD to INT passing the ball. If people want to include rushing stats to get the 3 to 1 that’s fine, but what I’m saying is I don’t believe it has happened in modern NFL history from a passing standpoint point. The voters would take 28 and 5 vs 40 and 12 as an example. 
 

Allen should get it this year and after this game from Lamar I almost think it’s a formality. He needed a truly special performance and it was just sort of meh.

[BillsFooteball]

Anyone know betting odds how it moved after the game? 

[TrentEdwardsCheckDownOn4th]

They moved slightly towards lamar but allen still a solid favorite. 

[zow2]

6 minutes ago, BillsFooteball said:

Anyone know betting odds how it moved after the game? 

 

I saw somewhere Allen -245 and Lamar +180

 

Which is still a much wider gap than what Lamar had over the field last season at the end and he won 49-1 

[Charles Romes]

You also have to factor in sack avoidance and offensive efficiency, near an all time record. In 5+ games we let the air out of the ball second half. 

[Buffalo Junction]

4 hours ago, UKBillFan said:

 

I know this is not intentional, but it's going back to "Lamar would win but he's won two already..." Even if Josh wins it this year, it's already coming with a big 'BUT' and, because of it, to many, maybe even some on this board, it will come with an asterik against it.

That asterisk gets avoided if we beat Baltimore in the playoffs….

[The Wiz]

45 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Consistency would be nice.  Who won the turnover battle?

Pretty sure it was Allen when accounting for INTs and fumbles lost but how far down the list do they really look on the stat sheet for fumbles lost?

4 minutes ago, Buffalo Junction said:

That asterisk gets avoided if we beat Baltimore in the playoffs….

I honestly dont know if they can.  We were missing everyone in the middle of the field on defense the first time we played them but Henry and Lamar just suck everyone to the line of scrimmage on every play.

 

It's going to have to be a master class on how to defend the best rushing RB and best rushing QB while also covering Flowers, Bateman and Andrews.

Edited yesterday at 01:50 AM by The Wiz

[Buffalo Junction]

5 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

 

I honestly dont know if they can.  We were missing everyone in the middle of the field on defense the first time we played them but Henry and Lamar just suck everyone to the line of scrimmage on every play.

 

It's going to have to be a master class on how to defend the best rushing RB and best rushing QB while also covering Flowers, Bateman and Andrews.

Hence the “if”. Beating them is certainly possible though, especially if Allen is on fire and Modkins starts to neglect prioritizing Henry. Might take an early jump like this team got on Detroit though. 

[Mikie2times]

I will also add for every ounce of athletic ability given to Lamar he had to trade away equal amounts of  physical appearance. He has to be one of the uglier dudes to ever lace them up. Which is fine by me, I eat red meat and bang fine straight women, however the league deserves a more appealing QB like Joshua. 

[TrentEdwardsCheckDownOn4th]

1 minute ago, Mikie2times said:

I will also add for every ounce of athletic ability given to Lamar he had to trade away equal amounts of  physical appearance. He has to be one of the uglier dudes to ever lace them up. Which is fine by me, I eat red meat and bang fine straight women, however the league deserves a more appealing QB like Joshua. 

Yes ....I'm sure the "women" you bang are "fine".