Kelly to Allen Posted January 4 Posted January 4 On 1/4/2025 at 9:27 PM, BananaB said: Key there is the Ravens. Without Henry that does not happen. The benefits Lamar gets from having him in the backfield can’t be ignored. Everyone is running open in the passing game. ***** looks easy and people seem to think Lamar is the only person making plays. Expand It's not just Henry, but it's Henry in combination with the zone read and threat of Lamar running. It creates very simple reads. Lamar is probably the best ever at it, but I don't think that philosophy is the best version of an offense On 1/4/2025 at 9:39 PM, Chicken Boo said: It's pretty widley known how difficult lit is for a non-QB to win. Not sure how I would prove that. Todd Gurley should have won in 2017. Expand That's not precedent being broken Quote
Mr. WEO Posted January 4 Posted January 4 On 1/4/2025 at 9:36 PM, Kelly to Allen said: When was it decided that a non QB can't win the award? Show me that precedent being broken Expand really? the last one was a RB... 1 Quote
BillsFan130 Posted January 4 Posted January 4 (edited) On 1/4/2025 at 9:37 PM, Mr. WEO said: you jumped into this listing all the teams "some" backup (other than the one they have, but OK, I played along with this sidetrack) could beat...yet Lamar lost to the Browns AND the Raiders.... this year! But ....."some" backup plus Henry, Zay Flowers and Andrews, could handle those 2 playoff teams, as well as 2 teams they couldn't handle with Jackson? I can't argue with that kind of thinking.....lol Expand Did you watch those games? Lamar was absolutely awful against them and was the main reason they lost, especially against Cleveland. So ya I do. Just like Bills probably would have won the Houston game without Josh, with any sort of respectable QB play as he was horrible Believe it or not, sometimes elite QBs have bad games and they are the reason the team loses and they can't always put on the cape. Wild to think eh? Edited January 4 by BillsFan130 Quote
Einstein's Dog Posted January 4 Posted January 4 On 1/4/2025 at 9:21 PM, Chicken Boo said: The Ravens are averaging the 2nd most yards per play in league history. Again, Josh will likely win, but it's hard to dismiss the historical season Lamar is having. I feel bad for Burrow and Saquon. Expand From a broader perspective though, Ravens added D Henry and have done worse this year. The Bills lost Diggs and have done better. Quote
Mr. WEO Posted January 4 Posted January 4 On 1/4/2025 at 9:46 PM, BillsFan130 said: Did you watch those games? Lamar was absolutely awful against them and was the main reason they lost, especially against Cleveland. So ya I do. Just like Bills probably would have won the Houston game without Josh, with any sort of respectable QB play as he was horrible Believe it or not, sometimes elite QBs have bad games and they are the reason the team loses and they can't always put on the cape. Wild to think eh? Expand You don’t say! Maybe Stroud had a bad day in that loss? But a Ravens backup would beat Stroud every Sunday? lol ok. So….if .they benched “terrible playing” Lamar (335 yards total, 2TD, zero turnovers) early in that Cleveland game, they would have won? Jackson got them the lead 3 different times including with 1 minutes to go…..but their backup would have win that game? wild… Quote
BillsFan130 Posted January 4 Posted January 4 (edited) On 1/4/2025 at 10:03 PM, Mr. WEO said: You don’t say! Maybe Stroud had a bad day in that loss? But a Ravens backup would beat Stroud every Sunday? lol ok. So….if .they benched “terrible playing” Lamar (335 yards total, 2TD, zero turnovers) early in that Cleveland game, they would have won? Jackson got them the lead 3 different times including with 1 minutes to go…..but their backup would have win that game? wild… Expand My bad I was thinking of a different game, as for some reason I thought Lamar threw a few INTs that Cleveland game. So you're correct on that one Edited January 4 by BillsFan130 Quote
Mr. WEO Posted January 4 Posted January 4 On 1/4/2025 at 10:07 PM, BillsFan130 said: My bad I was actual thinking of a different game, as for some reason I thought Lamar threw a few INTs that Cleveland game. So you're correct on that one Expand how about the Raiders game? Had they benched him, his backup would have won that game for them right? Quote
Chicken Boo Posted January 4 Posted January 4 On 1/4/2025 at 9:58 PM, Einstein's Dog said: From a broader perspective though, Ravens added D Henry and have done worse this year. The Bills lost Diggs and have done better. Expand I think both teams are better prepared for the post-season. Quote
BillsFan130 Posted January 4 Posted January 4 On 1/4/2025 at 10:09 PM, Mr. WEO said: how about the Raiders game? Had they benched him, his backup would have won that game for them right? Expand Ya I believe they would have, because he didn't play well at all that game. I remember seeing the 4th and he had multiple chances to win it and did nothing Quote
Mr. WEO Posted January 4 Posted January 4 On 1/4/2025 at 10:13 PM, BillsFan130 said: Ya I believe they would have, because he didn't play well at all that game. I remember seeing the 4th and he had multiple chances to win it and did nothing Expand I mean you have to say that at this point...lol but the reality is that the Ravens had a 10 point 4th Q lead in the Raiders game. Defense choked it away. But you're convinced that had the 2 time MVP been benched late in the 4th Q in a game that the Defense is giving away, some bum off the bench is going to win the game for the Ravens?? forget rabbit holes, you've painted yourself into quite a corner! Quote
BillsFan130 Posted January 4 Posted January 4 (edited) On 1/4/2025 at 10:33 PM, Mr. WEO said: I mean you have to say that at this point...lol but the reality is that the Ravens had a 10 point 4th Q lead in the Raiders game. Defense choked it away. But you're convinced that had the 2 time MVP been benched late in the 4th Q in a game that the Defense is giving away, some bum off the bench is going to win the game for the Ravens?? forget rabbit holes, you've painted yourself into quite a corner! Expand No I didn't have to say that. I admitted I was incorrect on one, did I not? I have 0 problem admitting I am wrong, unlike yourself by the looks of it. (Still standing by Baltimore wouldn't win a 31-2 game without Lamar lol) No I haven't actually, not even close. I also didn't even mention the Pittsburgh games. The one in Pittsburgh where Lamar was horrible, and the one a few weeks ago where Russ handed that game to them on a platter . I tried to say agree to disagree. I tried to say you're correct on the raiders one. Respectfully, you seem like a very unreasonable guy to have a disagreement with as you're doing everything you can to "flex" and say "you're right and I'm wrong". Where you could have simply stopped the convo when I said let's agree to disagree , OR when I said you're correct about the raiders one lol. Multiple opportunities Edited January 4 by BillsFan130 Quote
Mikie2times Posted January 4 Posted January 4 Jackson= better stats Allen= better record Allen= bigger moments Allen= worse talent 2 Quote
Cheektowaga Chad Posted January 4 Posted January 4 Maybe I'm old school and still like the eye test but How do you sit down and watch an entire ravens game and a bills game and think Jackson is the MVP of the league It doesn't pass the eye test in my opinion 1 1 Quote
Bills!Win! Posted January 4 Posted January 4 Shouldn’t the very fact that Jackson is playing right now and Allen will play one series because they have the #2 seed clinched prove that Allen was more valuable to his team this year? I rest my case 2 Quote
transplantbillsfan Posted January 4 Posted January 4 Pretty mediocre 1st half for Lamar. Not even looking at stats but he's gotta be below 50% passing. Announcers sure sound like they want to give him the MVP, though. Quote
UKBillFan Posted January 4 Posted January 4 On 1/4/2025 at 11:06 PM, transplantbillsfan said: Pretty mediocre 1st half for Lamar. Not even looking at stats but he's gotta be below 50% passing. Announcers sure sound like they want to give him the MVP, though. Expand 48% - though he wasn't helped by his receivers on a couple of throws. Quote
Motorin' Posted January 4 Posted January 4 This whole "Lamar is having the greatest season by a QB" is ridiculous. He isn't even close to top 25 in most yards: https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/most-total-yards-by-a-qb-in-a-single-season And he had the 18th most TD's through 16 games. Quote
Mr. WEO Posted January 4 Posted January 4 On 1/4/2025 at 10:43 PM, BillsFan130 said: No I didn't have to say that. I admitted I was incorrect on one, did I not? I have 0 problem admitting I am wrong, unlike yourself by the looks of it. (Still standing by Baltimore wouldn't win a 31-2 game without Lamar lol) No I haven't actually, not even close. I also didn't even mention the Pittsburgh games. The one in Pittsburgh where Lamar was horrible, and the one a few weeks ago where Russ handed that game to them on a platter . I tried to say agree to disagree. I tried to say you're correct on the raiders one. Respectfully, you seem like a very unreasonable guy to have a disagreement with as you're doing everything you can to "flex" and say "you're right and I'm wrong". Where you could have simply stopped the convo when I said let's agree to disagree , OR when I said you're correct about the raiders one lol. Multiple opportunities Expand you were wrong on the Browns claim as well (you already copped to this). You can pick any "horrible game" by Lamar (or Josh for that matter)---no sane person would have replaced him for a backup, let alone a 38 year old. this is the topic. you've moved the posts a few times. one last time, let me test the depths of this delusion: would the Ravens beat the Texans in the playoff without Jackson? Quote
LABILLBACKER Posted January 4 Posted January 4 What a shocker....another WIDE OPEN receiver for Lamar. Quote
BillsFan130 Posted January 4 Posted January 4 On 1/4/2025 at 11:20 PM, Mr. WEO said: you were wrong on the Browns claim as well (you already copped to this). You can pick any "horrible game" by Lamar (or Josh for that matter)---no sane person would have replaced him for a backup, let alone a 38 year old. this is the topic. you've moved the posts a few times. one last time, let me test the depths of this delusion: would the Ravens beat the Texans in the playoff without Jackson? Expand I haven't moved the posts at all- I said the Ravens would have 7-9 wins with a component backup QB and nothing has changed, sir. Im not gonna answer your question because it's exhausting having a back and forth with you and I don't want to spam this thread with this convo I've tried to move on from this convo 3 times but you're just so fixated on trying to prove yourself right and try to make the other person feel dumb by using words like "wild thinking, delusion" etc. Which is just not an enjoyable football conversation to me Have a good weekend bud 1 Quote
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