MVP hype for Allen

[Chicken Boo]

2 minutes ago, Kelly to Allen said:

 

It's called the Derrick Henry effect. Tannehill had a similar year in ten games starting in 19. He had a passer rating of 117...

 

It's highly misleading because of the RPO/ read zone with Henry creating condensed defense towards the line of scrimmage and man covg

 

Tannehill did NOT have a similar year.

 

2200 yards 22 TDs and 6 INTs is a far cry from what Lamar is doing.

 

The fact is that Henry and Lamar are the perfect compliment to each other and you're seeing the results. 

[Kelly to Allen]

1 minute ago, GoBills808 said:

Is literally anyone dismissing Lamar's season

 

He is 100% a deserving MVP this year

Not based on precedent. No QB in NFL history has ever won a 3rd MVP before winning a championship first 

 

Precedent was broken last year too. 

 

You would need to make a compelling argument on why this precedent is only being broken for Lamar and not previous QBs, or even QBs who won a championship 

[Kelly to Allen]

1 minute ago, UKBillFan said:

 

You seem to be basing your belief on the future, where something may or may not happen, rather than what has actually happened this year.

It has happened partly this year and definitely towards the end of last year. He got banged up 

[Chicken Boo]

3 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Is literally anyone dismissing Lamar's season

 

He is 100% a deserving MVP this year

 

Check the thread.  People act like it's ludicrous to vote for anyone but Josh.  

[UKBillFan]

6 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

The Ravens are averaging the 2nd most yards per play in league history.

 

Again, Josh will likely win, but it's hard to dismiss the historical season Lamar is having.  

 

I feel bad for Burrow and Saquon. 

 

I know this is not intentional, but it's going back to "Lamar would win but he's won two already..." Even if Josh wins it this year, it's already coming with a big 'BUT' and, because of it, to many, maybe even some on this board, it will come with an asterik against it.

[Kelly to Allen]

1 minute ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

Tannehill did NOT have a similar year.

 

2200 yards 22 TDs and 6 INTs is a far cry from what Lamar is doing.

 

The fact is that Henry and Lamar are the perfect compliment to each other and you're seeing the results. 

 

Yes he literally did. He had a passer rating of 117. The numbers you gave are over ten starts

 

It's again highly misleading because of the RPO and Henry 

 

It's not equivalent to a prime Rodgers or even Allen's passer rating this year. The defense isn't playing the QB the same....

 

You don't understand basic football if you can't understand the difference 

Edited Saturday at 09:31 PM by Kelly to Allen

[Chicken Boo]

1 minute ago, Amaru523 said:

Is it possible that Lamar is having the best statistical year of his career because he has an all-time great beast of a RB in his backfield? 

 

Entirely possible. It doesn't dismiss what he is doing.  

 

He had a similarly efficient year in 2019 when he won his 1st MVP.

1 minute ago, UKBillFan said:

 

I know this is not intentional, but it's going back to "Lamar would win but he's won two already..." Even if Josh wins it this year, it's already coming with a big 'BUT' and, because of it, to many, maybe even some on this board, it will come with an asterik against it.

 

Nah, no asterisks.

 

There are 4 deserving players, but they all can't win it.  It's just that type of year.  

[Kelly to Allen]

Just now, Chicken Boo said:

 

Entirely possible. It doesn't dismiss what he is doing.  

 

He had a similarly efficient year in 2019 when he won his 1st MVP.

It doesn't dismiss anything. But the stats are not congruent with a traditional passer rating. It's completely different 

[Chicken Boo]

2 minutes ago, Kelly to Allen said:

 

Yes he literally did. He had a passer rating of 117. The numbers you gave are over ten starts

 

It's again highly misleading because of the RPO and Henry 

 

It's not equivalent to a prime Rodgers or even Allen's passer rating this year. The defense isn't playing the QB the same....

 

You don't understand basic football if you can't understand the difference 

 

Passer rating aside, when has Tannehill ever run for 1,000 yards or thrown 40 TDs?

 

Lamar has less interceptions in more games played.

 

Nobody is confusing any version of Ryan Tannehill for Lamar Jackson.  Hell, Tennessee probably wins a Superbowl with Lamar at QB during those years.

[Kelly to Allen]

4 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

Check the thread.  People act like it's ludicrous to vote for anyone but Josh.  

 

It is ludicrous. NFL precedent for all of NFL history would be broken two years in a row 

[UKBillFan]

3 minutes ago, Kelly to Allen said:

It has happened partly this year and definitely towards the end of last year. He got banged up 

 

That's what happened (for the most part) last year and, from earlier posts, what may happen in the future. Not the strengths of this year.

 

If the rookies considering to progress at the rate they have this year, I think the Bills could have one of the best rosters in football in the future. But that's not the case this year. Not that it's anywhere near the worst either.

[Kelly to Allen]

Just now, Chicken Boo said:

 

Passer rating aside, when has Tannehill ever run for 1,000 yards or thrown 40 TDs?

 

Lamar has less interceptions in more games played.

 

Nobody is confusing any version of Ryan Tannehill for Lamar Jackson.  Hell, Tennessee probably wins a Superbowl with Lamar at QB during those years.

You're proving my point. He's facing condensed defense towards the line of scrimmage and constant man covg. 

 

When they have to get out of that offense that's where Lamar is not on a Allen or Mahomes level. We've seen it over and over again 

[Chicken Boo]

Just now, Kelly to Allen said:

 

It is ludicrous. NFL precedent for all of NFL history would be broken two years in a row 

 

Precedent was broken a while ago when it was decided that only QBs can win the award, unless a RB rushes for 2,000 yards - which will also be broken this year.  

[BillsFooteball]

8 minutes ago, Kelly to Allen said:

 

Kincaid is the next Kelce imo and will be the best te in football by the end of this playoff or next year 

I love the optimism and a fan of Kincaid but this is a hot take beyond belief. I can’t think of any scenario where Kincaid would be viewed as the best TE in football by end of playoffs or next year 

[davefan66]

54 minutes ago, VW82 said:

 

On talking heads not having watched Josh, I agree. He makes plays every week that maybe 5-6 others players in the league are even physically able to make. I doubt all these guys watched every one of our games. Did anyone other than Bills and Jets fans see the narrow escape and scramble to the sideline throw up field to Coleman last week that he dropped? That was a one of one play. 

 

I disagree he's going to lose the MVP race. No one will admit it, but voters will let the "Lamar isn't 3 MVPs to 0 better than Allen" narrative influence them.  

I hope Josh wins. Tired of the national BS.

[Kelly to Allen]

Just now, Chicken Boo said:

 

Precedent was broken a while ago when it was decided that only QBs can win the award, unless a RB rushes for 2,000 yards - which will also be broken this year.  

 

When was it decided that a non QB can't win the award? Show me that precedent being broken 

[Chicken Boo]

Just now, Kelly to Allen said:

You're proving my point. He's facing condensed defense towards the line of scrimmage and constant man covg. 

 

When they have to get out of that offense that's where Lamar is not on a Allen or Mahomes level. We've seen it over and over again 

 

He's been facing condensed defenses throughout his career.  

 

What threat has Baltimore ever posed on the outside that commamded a defense's attention away from Lamar and their runing game?

 

This isn't new.

[Mr. WEO]

38 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

Literally just hand the ball off to Derrick Henry, make simple play action throws and you win those games very comfortably. Denver and Houston could not move the ball and the scores were 41-10 and 31-2... lol. 

 

Lamar is amazing, but he doesn't make a 31 point difference in football games lol

 

 

 

you jumped into this listing all the teams "some" backup (other than the one they have, but OK, I played along with this sidetrack) could beat...yet  Lamar lost to the Browns AND the Raiders.... this year!  But ....."some" backup plus Henry,   Zay Flowers and Andrews,  could handle those 2 playoff teams, as well as 2 teams they couldn't handle with Jackson?

 

I can't argue with that kind of thinking.....lol

Edited Saturday at 09:39 PM by Mr. WEO

[Kelly to Allen]

Just now, Chicken Boo said:

 

He's been facing condensed defenses throughout his career.  

 

What threat has Baltimore ever posed on the outside that commamded a defense's attention away from Lamar and their runing game?

 

This isn't new.

Again yes it's not new. Lamar best functions in the RPO/ zone read. I agree it's not new but has limitations. Henry just inflated the same concepts 

[Chicken Boo]

Just now, Kelly to Allen said:

 

When was it decided that a non QB can't win the award? Show me that precedent being broken 

 

It's pretty widley known how difficult  lit is for a non-QB to win.  Not sure how I would prove that.  

 

Todd Gurley should have won in 2017.