MVP hype for Allen

[Scott7975]

1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Top 5 (at worst) oline

top 5 rb

a top 5 wr current leader in receiving yards

maybe the most underrated wr in the league nfl

a 2nd round rookie wr who has has good moments 

a former 1st round TE

 

a head coach with a .662% and has made the playoffs every year except Allen’s rookie year. 
 

again, Allen will win the MVP but these is a very good to potentially great franchise who helped a wild guy from Wyoming grow into a MVP. The Buffalo Bills are a top 5 nfl franchise 

 

I’m beyond relaxed. I think Allen and Jackson are both awesome QBs who help elevate good to great talent around them. 
 

the Ravens and Bills are top 5 nfl franchises who helped Allen and Jackson grow into the players they are. The team you get drafted to matters as we see with the Jets and Panthers. 

 

Cooper is not a top 5 receiver. You are smoking something. He is good but not top 5. Not even close. 

Top 5 rb is debatable.

most underrated wr in the league? What does that even mean?

A good moments wr. Also a bad moments wr.

a former 1st round te? what does that mean?

 

You are pumping up this team hard. We have some good players but it has no stars other than Allen.

[Kelly to Allen]

2 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

Cooper is not a top 5 receiver. You are smoking something. He is good but not top 5. Not even close. 

Top 5 rb is debatable.

most underrated wr in the league? What does that even mean?

A good moments wr. Also a bad moments wr.

a former 1st round te? what does that mean?

 

You are pumping up this team hard. We have some good players but it has no stars other than Allen.

 

Cooper is better than diggs last year. So is Coleman, So is Shakir. I wouldn't trade Kincaid for any te in the NFL 

[GoBills808]

Just now, Kelly to Allen said:

 

Cooper is better than diggs last year. So is Coleman, So is Shakir. I wouldn't trade Kincaid for any te in the NFL 

Lmfao 

 

Ok we're done here

[Kelly to Allen]

6 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Bro

 

You said 'if the Bills blow out the Ravens will you change your mind' wrt the comparative quality of rosters

 

I just pointed out by that metric the question has already been resolved. ie you don't know what the word transitive means and you're not very good at making your case

 

Your premise would make sense if you think an earlier season win translates to a better team/ roster.

 

I just proved your premise wrong with my 1990 loss to Miami 

 

Who's going to win if Baltimore comes to buffalo?

Edited Saturday at 09:14 PM by Kelly to Allen

[Big Blitz]

4 minutes ago, Kelly to Allen said:

 

The dude is a better version of kordell Stewart in this era ( kordell went to 2 AFC championships) and Clark says this insane nonsense. It's so cringe and weird 

 

Like how is this not disrespectful to Mahomes. Can we please for the love of God live in reality. 

 

 

 

All it does is fuel Mahomes and that whole team.  

[Kelly to Allen]

1 minute ago, GoBills808 said:

Lmfao 

 

Ok we're done here

 

So when Kincaid is awesome in the playoffs, you'll change your mind right? He took over targets from diggs last year lol

[BananaB]

9 minutes ago, Kelly to Allen said:

 

Cooper is better than diggs last year. So is Coleman, So is Shakir. I wouldn't trade Kincaid for any te in the NFL 

Your seriously have some home team blinders

Edited Saturday at 09:21 PM by BananaB

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, Kelly to Allen said:

 

Your premise would make sense if you think an earlier season win translates to a better team/ roster.

 

I just proved your premise wrong with my 1990 loss to Miami 

 

Who's going to win if Baltimore comes to buffalo?

As opposed to a future one? Hysterical

 

Ok now really done

[Kelly to Allen]

Just now, BananaB said:

Your have seriously have some home team blinders

 

The record, eye test and numbers suggest otherwise 

[Scott7975]

4 minutes ago, Kelly to Allen said:

 

Cooper is better than diggs last year. So is Coleman, So is Shakir. I wouldn't trade Kincaid for any te in the NFL 

 

Sorry bro but thats just not true.

[Kelly to Allen]

1 minute ago, GoBills808 said:

As opposed to a future one? Hysterical

 

Ok now really done

 

It's hysterical that buffalo blew out Miami in 1990 after getting blown out earlier in the year. 

 

That's not logical 

1 minute ago, GoBills808 said:

As opposed to a future one? Hysterical

 

Ok now really done

 

Again who are you picking to win lol. 

Saving all these receipts, especially the insane stuff about Von

Edited Saturday at 09:18 PM by Kelly to Allen

[Chicken Boo]

The Ravens are averaging the 2nd most yards per play in league history.

 

Again, Josh will likely win, but it's hard to dismiss the historical season Lamar is having.  

 

I feel bad for Burrow and Saquon. 

[Kelly to Allen]

1 minute ago, Chicken Boo said:

The Ravens are averaging the 2nd most yards per play in league history.

 

Again, Josh will likely win, but it's hard to dismiss the historical season Lamar is having.  

 

I feel bad for Burrow and Saquon. 

 

It's called the Derrick Henry effect. Tannehill had a similar year in ten games starting in 19. He had a passer rating of 117...

 

It's highly misleading because of the RPO/ read zone with Henry creating condensed defense towards the line of scrimmage and man covg

Edited Saturday at 09:23 PM by Kelly to Allen

[Chicken Boo]

10 minutes ago, Kelly to Allen said:

 

Cooper is better than diggs last year. So is Coleman, So is Shakir. I wouldn't trade Kincaid for any te in the NFL 

 

I'd trade Kincaid for several tight ends. Noah Gray included.

[GoBills808]

3 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

The Ravens are averaging the 2nd most yards per play in league history.

 

Again, Josh will likely win, but it's hard to dismiss the historical season Lamar is having.  

 

I feel bad for Burrow and Saquon. 

Is literally anyone dismissing Lamar's season

 

He is 100% a deserving MVP this year

[Kelly to Allen]

Just now, Chicken Boo said:

 

I'd trade Kincaid for several tight ends. Noah Gray included.

 

Kincaid is the next Kelce imo and will be the best te in football by the end of this playoff or next year 

[Magox]

Just like most online debates, they devolve to these black or white sort of arguments which in this case one side argues which is the more predominant one on this message board that Buffalo’s offensive talent outside of Josh Allen is bottom tier and then there is this other argument that Buffalo has near top talent.

 

Neither are true

 

- Buffalo’s offensive line is top 5, which has the luxury of having possibly the best Offensive tackle tandem in the league and a decent interior 3.

 

- Buffalo’s tight end tandem is at a top 6 unit in the league

 

- Buffalo’s trio of RB’s and fullback in Gilliam is a top 10 unit.

 

- Buffalo’s WR’s with Amari as the starting X, Coleman as the Z, Shakir as the Y/slot, Mack Hollins as the #4 that is deployed a lot and Samuels as the #5 is probably a 15-20 range unit.

 

Not counting Allen it’s probably a 10-12 range talent unit.

 

The team has a bad reputation of being devoid in talent and for Allen’s MVP purposes it better suits his case.

 

But they are better than what most people give them credit for, including many on this board.

[UKBillFan]

10 minutes ago, Kelly to Allen said:

 

So when Kincaid is awesome in the playoffs, you'll change your mind right? He took over targets from diggs last year lol

 

You seem to be basing your belief on the future, where something may or may not happen, rather than what has actually happened this year.

[Amaru523]

3 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

The Ravens are averaging the 2nd most yards per play in league history.

 

Again, Josh will likely win, but it's hard to dismiss the historical season Lamar is having.  

 

I feel bad for Burrow and Saquon. 

Is it possible that Lamar is having the best statistical year of his career because he has an all-time great beast of a RB in his backfield? 

[BananaB]

1 minute ago, Chicken Boo said:

The Ravens are averaging the 2nd most yards per play in league history.

 

Again, Josh will likely win, but it's hard to dismiss the historical season Lamar is having.  

 

I feel bad for Burrow and Saquon. 

Key there is the Ravens. Without Henry that does not happen. The benefits Lamar gets from having him in the backfield can’t be ignored. Everyone is running open in the passing game.  ***** looks easy and people seem to think Lamar is the only person making plays.