MVP hype for Allen

[zow2]

The Nick Wright show First Things First has a segment on this afternoon "Can Lamar steal MVP from Allen".   Broussard thinks there's a 30% chance he steals it if he puts up big numbers vs Cleveland, even though he admits the Browns are playing no one.  It's all bluster.  Nick actually defended Allen and said that Lamar's MVP last year has set the table to Josh's MVP this year and he put up side by side stats of Lamar 2023 vs Allen 2024.  He thinks a tiny violin should be played for the Ravens fans complaining.

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

22 minutes ago, zow2 said:

The Nick Wright show First Things First has a segment on this afternoon "Can Lamar steal MVP from Allen".   Broussard thinks there's a 30% chance he steals it if he puts up big numbers vs Cleveland, even though he admits the Browns are playing no one.  It's all bluster.  Nick actually defended Allen and said that Lamar's MVP last year has set the table to Josh's MVP this year and he put up side by side stats of Lamar 2023 vs Allen 2024.  He thinks a tiny violin should be played for the Ravens fans complaining.

Nick Wright has been one of the biggest bills in Allen supporters in the media this year. And from game one really.

 

 

[JESSEFEFFER]

3 hours ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

 

I actually don’t think Mike Florio is too far off. How else do we explain Lamar Jackson receiving 49 out of 50 1st place votes last year?

 

The lone voter who did not vote for Lamar cast his first place vote for Josh Allen. I recall he received a lot of heat from other media members because of that.

That was Aaron Schatz formerly of Football Outsiders.  Josh led in DVOA and was near to Dak Prescott and he is the creator of that metric.  He went so far as to say that the impact of Josh's ints was atypically less than the raw number would indicate due to the context of where and when they happened.  He took some crap last for his lone vote and, in a manner of being consistent which I can respect, I would  suggest that he will probably vote for Lamar this year.

Edited Friday at 09:13 PM by JESSEFEFFER

[Fleezoid]

While Josh Allen has improved drastically over the years, some things still look the same. 2017 - 2024.

 

[Doc Brown]

27 minutes ago, zow2 said:

The Nick Wright show First Things First has a segment on this afternoon "Can Lamar steal MVP from Allen".   Broussard thinks there's a 30% chance he steals it if he puts up big numbers vs Cleveland, even though he admits the Browns are playing no one.  It's all bluster.  Nick actually defended Allen and said that Lamar's MVP last year has set the table to Josh's MVP this year and he put up side by side stats of Lamar 2023 vs Allen 2024.  He thinks a tiny violin should be played for the Ravens fans complaining.

They made a good point that Allen's total ypg will go down because he starts week 18.  That kind of stinks when looking at head to head stats.

[Aussie Joe]

9 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

Nick Wright has been one of the biggest bills in Allen supporters in the media this year. And from game one really.

 

 

Wright is obligated to take a contrarian position to his sidekicks …whether he truly believes it or not …I can’t watch that show anymore … has all the subtleties of a three stooges episode …

[Goin Breakdown]

Baltimore- 9 pro bowler

Buffalo- 2

Yet Lamar is the most valuable to many?  I get it he's great but he is surrounded by a lot of great players as well. Pro bowl voting says all you need to know. 

[Amaru523]

Without Lamar the Ravens still win at least 9 games? So he's good for 2-3 wins. 

 

Without Burrow the Bengals still win at least 6 (6 of their 8 wins came against the worst teams in the league), he's good for 2-3 wins. 

 

Without Josh the Bills win what, 7 games maybe? That's 6 wins for Josh, MVP easy.

[Scott7975]

6 hours ago, zow2 said:

The Nick Wright show First Things First has a segment on this afternoon "Can Lamar steal MVP from Allen".   Broussard thinks there's a 30% chance he steals it if he puts up big numbers vs Cleveland, even though he admits the Browns are playing no one.  It's all bluster.  Nick actually defended Allen and said that Lamar's MVP last year has set the table to Josh's MVP this year and he put up side by side stats of Lamar 2023 vs Allen 2024.  He thinks a tiny violin should be played for the Ravens fans complaining.

Wright has been on Allen and the Bills side all season. Broussard has been on Lamar and the ravens all season. 
 

I think it would be ridiculous if Lamar “stole” mvp from putting up big numbers against one of the worst teams in the league in the last week of season desperate attempt to steal the division. Thats punishing the other leader because his team was good enough to sit out the final week. 

Edited Saturday at 02:41 AM by Scott7975

[Kelly to Allen]

1 hour ago, Amaru523 said:

Without Lamar the Ravens still win at least 9 games? So he's good for 2-3 wins. 

 

Without Burrow the Bengals still win at least 6 (6 of their 8 wins came against the worst teams in the league), he's good for 2-3 wins. 

 

Without Josh the Bills win what, 7 games maybe? That's 6 wins for Josh, MVP easy.

 

 

I don't agree with this sentiment. Buffalo has an outstanding roster and is a quite possibly the best in the NFL. 

 

 

Edited Saturday at 03:40 AM by Kelly to Allen

[billieve420]

1 hour ago, Kelly to Allen said:

 

 

I don't agree with this sentiment. Buffalo has an outstanding roster and is a quite possibly the best in the NFL. 

 

 

Best in NFL is quite the stretch. Bills have solid team full of role players but not much way in the way of stars outside the QB.

[Scott7975]

Something no one likes to bring up but Lamar only has 2 wins this year where he has passed more than 26 attempts. One of those wins was against the Bengals with the worst passing defense in the NFL. He has 5 losses in the same scenario. The more that guy has to throw, the more the team loses. Coincides with them only having 2 wins when Henry doesnt rush for at least 90 yards. One of those being the same Bengals and the other being the Giants.

[pennstate10]

18 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

They made a good point that Allen's total ypg will go down because he starts week 18.  That kind of stinks when looking at head to head stats.

This is why yds per snap is a better measure than yds per game. 
Allen has >100 fewer snaps than Burrow and 60 fewer than Jackson heading into this wknd

[colin]

the bookies have allen at like -300, i think they don't get things like this wrong very often, so i figure allen takes it.

 

if it's the majority most out of 50, then i think he gets high 20s to low 30s, with a few to burrow and saquan, leaving lamar with 20ish votes.

[Hsker4life]

18 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

They made a good point that Allen's total ypg will go down because he starts week 18.  That kind of stinks when looking at head to head stats.

Hate that when comparing numbers, no one in the national media ever mentions that JA plays his home games in Buffalo. Snow, high winds, the worst weather environment in the league. 

[Mr. WEO]

14 hours ago, Amaru523 said:

Without Lamar the Ravens still win at least 9 games?

 

 

without looking, do you know who the Ravens backup is?

 

 

 

 

 

It's Josh Johnson.  yes that guy--draft 16 years ago!  in and out of the league for years.  THAT guy is winning 9 games playing  in the AFC North??

 

come on....

 

 

[BillsFan130]

6 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

without looking, do you know who the Ravens backup is?

 

 

 

 

 

It's Josh Johnson.  yes that guy--draft 16 years ago!  in and out of the league for years.  THAT guy is winning 9 games playing  in the AFC North??

 

come on....

 

 

I don't think the point he was trying to make had any reference to Josh Johnson.

 

Its more as: "If the backup QB was of equal calibre for both teams , ravens would win 9 and Bills would win 6". Which I would agree with personally , give or take a game

 

Cause of course if Josh's backup is let's say, Andy dalton and Lamar's backup is Nate peterman, then obviously bills would win more games with Dalton

Edited Saturday at 04:51 PM by BillsFan130

[Since1981]

11 hours ago, billieve420 said:

I don't agree with this sentiment. Buffalo has an outstanding roster and is a quite possibly the best in the NFL. 

No. Beane has built an average roster with one superstar. 3rd and 4th players above avg. Then 17 makes all the offense players better than the parts, defense is better from #17…

 

 17+OL is the Bills secret sauce to all of it. OL/O moving, no name O, and Offense helps D. 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

If you go just off stats, Jackson should be the winner, but like last year when Jackson won it, he didn't have the best stats, but still won.  Allen has more huge splash plays and off the chart games, plus won more games.  Jackson also lost to Cleveland and Raiders, but soundly beat Allen.  But even there, could argue was more Henry beat the Bills.  There's also the argument to be made that Jackson won 3 including last year, so some votors will go with Allen for that very reason. 

 

Overall think Allen will win it give him around a 70% chance to win it.

[Mr. WEO]

16 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

I don't think the point he was trying to make had any reference to Josh Johnson.

 

Its more as: "If the backup QB was of equal calibre for both teams , ravens would win 9 and Bills would win 6". Which I would agree with personally , give or take a game

 

Cause of course if Josh's backup is let's say, Andy dalton and Lamar's backup is Nate peterman, then obviously bills would win more games with Dalton

 

If both teams had equal backup skill (let's say...Josh Johnson), neither is winning 6, let alone 9 games.  You don't take the 2 most dynamic QBs in the league off your roster and have a winning season.  That's just crazy.