MVP hype for Allen

[Beck Water]

54 minutes ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:

Is the fact lost on anybody, when discussing their supporting casts, that Ravens have 9 Pro Bowlers and the Bills 2 !!!!!

 

And the Bills other Pro Bowler is not a WR or RB.  

[The Wiz]

7 minutes ago, finn said:

Maybe I'm just a homer, but looking at Lamar's highlights, like in this video, I'm just not that impressed. Most throws are ones we've seen most QBs make, including rookies Drake Maye, Bo Nix, and Jayden Daniels. I don't see many truly special throws--against the grain, while falling down, into tiny windows, with tacklers hanging off him or while running fast--of the kind that Allen throws every week, including the two TD just last week. Yes, Lamar shows crazy speed and moves on his runs, but his escability is oddly not much better than Mahomes, who twitches like a squirrel, and Allen, who has the frame to shrug off defenders. With his slight frame, Lamar goes down on contact if he can't juke, which might explain the 10 fumbles his fans don't see fit to mention. Over Jackson, I'd take Mahomes, Burrow, Goff, Daniels, or Allen any day.

 

I'm thinking something else is going on besides production. Not race, exactly, although there is a resemblance to last year's Angel Reese-Caitlin Clark controversy. Something appears to be fueling resentment against Allen and hero worship of Jackson. 

Probably because a bunch of these voters still believe their predraft analysis of him and won't admit they were wrong.

 

Which to me is hilarious because they have all moved on from "Lamar should be a WR"

[zow2]

I finally checked the Ravens board and not any surprise, they have a 154 page "Lamar 4 MVP" thread going with over 1,800 replies.

 

I only scanned a couple pages.  They aren't going down quietly.  But a few posters do concede Allen is probably going to get it, and Lamar is hurt by having Derrick Henry.  But one thing for sure...that board thinks the Bills would get smoked by Cincinnati..  and if they are fortunate to not play them in the Wild Card round,  the Ravens are going to annihilate Buffalo in the Divisional round.

 

 

[Stretch]

I would not be upset if Baltimore lost in the wild card round at all.  But at this point I kind of want to see Baltimore come to Buffalo just to shut up Ravens fans (to some extent, they will still find some excuses if they lose).

[Scott7975]

 

[Beck Water]

2 hours ago, The Wiz said:

Love the replies in that tweet.

 

 

Guy who claims he watches every snap of the games.

 

 

Don't hassle Terps Recruiting with the Facts, Son!

Edited Thursday at 08:24 PM by Beck Water

[Buffalo Ballin]

Only Josh Allen and Dion Dawkins made the Pro Bowl roster. That is all.

 

Lamar Jackson has 7 other Ravens who made Pro Bowl besides himself.

 

Yeah, Josh Allen is truly the league MVP this season. He did way more with less (no disrespect to our team).

[Warcodered]

23 minutes ago, zow2 said:

I finally checked the Ravens board and not any surprise, they have a 154 page "Lamar 4 MVP" thread going with over 1,800 replies.

 

I only scanned a couple pages.  They aren't going down quietly.  But a few posters do concede Allen is probably going to get it, and Lamar is hurt by having Derrick Henry.  But one thing for sure...that board thinks the Bills would get smoked by Cincinnati..  and if they are fortunate to not play them in the Wild Card round,  the Ravens are going to annihilate Buffalo in the Divisional round.

 

 

One bad game and their minds are completely wiped clean of how well our team has typically played Lamar.

[strive_for_five_guy]

48 minutes ago, zow2 said:

I finally checked the Ravens board and not any surprise, they have a 154 page "Lamar 4 MVP" thread going with over 1,800 replies.

 

I only scanned a couple pages.  They aren't going down quietly.  But a few posters do concede Allen is probably going to get it, and Lamar is hurt by having Derrick Henry.  But one thing for sure...that board thinks the Bills would get smoked by Cincinnati..  and if they are fortunate to not play them in the Wild Card round,  the Ravens are going to annihilate Buffalo in the Divisional round.

 

 

I personally think we will whoop them when in our house.  Pretty sure McD and Babich have a bad taste in their mouth from earlier this season and will have a masterful plan to stop the Ravens, plus we’ll have the crowd in our favor too.  And Josh will want to show everyone what a real MVP does in the playoffs.

[loveorhatembillsfan4life]

One thing I do agree with from some of the media comments that the conversation  has become “toxic”

 

I have seen some really racial things popping up on X lately between fan bases to the point of it becoming really uncomfortable.

 

It probably doesn’t help that some voters are tipping their hand where they are voting. Also, is there a standard of criteria that is being followed year after year or is it constantly  changing? 

Its probably just going to get worse when it’s announced. 

 

 

 

Edited Thursday at 09:00 PM by loveorhatembillsfan4life

[Cash]

1 minute ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

I personally think we will whoop them when in our house.  Pretty sure McD and Babich have a bad taste in their mouth from earlier this season and will have a masterful plan to stop the Ravens, plus we’ll have the crowd in our favor too.  And Josh will want to show everyone what a real MVP does in the playoffs.

 

Whether fair or unfair, I'm at the point where I'm expecting Lamar to fail in the playoffs until he proves me wrong.  He has a pretty robust history of playing worse in the playoffs now, and I have to think there's real psychological factors at play.  Doesn't mean that they'll last forever but I'm going to ride the streak till it ends.

[Kelly to Allen]

Mahomes not making the pro bowl is a clown 🤡 show 

 

@SaulGoodman

[UKBillFan]

47 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

One bad game and their minds are completely wiped clean of how well our team has typically played Lamar.

 

Considering how the defense has backslid from Rams onwards (it didn't even look that good against the Jets for spells, though benefited from solo plays and odd play calling from the opposition) I do fear the only way the Bills can beat the Bengals and Ravens is via a shootout. As proven, the offense can keep up in a shootout, but it becomes something of a lottery as well.

[Simon]

30 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

Considering how the defense has backslid from Rams onwards (it didn't even look that good against the Jets for spells, though benefited from solo plays and odd play calling from the opposition)

 

They only gave up 14 points to Detroit (the highest scoring offense in the NFL) until the late 3rd qrtr when they started trading yards for clock.

They only gave up 14 pnts to NE (in a virtually meaningless gam,e) until the 4th qrtr when they started trading yrds for clock.

They were pitching a shutout against the Jets for almost the entire game until the backups gave up a couple late scores.

 

This narrative that the defense has been awful for the last month is wildly inaccurate, imo.

Even missing most of their secondary and half of their LB corps, they have still been very good.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

The fighting on twitter is embarrassing.

[UKBillFan]

8 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

They only gave up 14 points to Detroit (the highest scoring offense in the NFL) until the late 3rd qrtr when they started trading yards for clock.

They only gave up 14 pnts to NE (in a virtually meaningless gam,e) until the 4th qrtr when they started trading yrds for clock.

They were pitching a shutout against the Jets for almost the entire game until the backups gave up a couple late scores.

 

This narrative that the defense has been awful for the last month is wildly inaccurate, imo.

Even missing most of their secondary and half of their LB corps, they have still been very good.

 

I guess it's stats against the eye test. Stats say they're doing well. The eye test suggests something different. Yes, they were pitching a shutout against the Jets but they were getting down the field far too easily. It was individual player/coaching errors which cost the Jets, plus a couple of excellent individual plays from players on the D. It feels like, particularly since the Rams onwards, teams have drove at will on the Bills, particularly in the first half. The run defense, in particular, has looked easy to get at.

Edited Thursday at 10:04 PM by UKBillFan

[Simon]

1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

The fighting on twitter is embarrassing.

 

Who cares about a bunchy of screeching nitwits?

Just don't drag it into the house please.

[Kelly to Allen]

The MVP race is over obviously and again congrats to Allen, the first of many more.

 

But with the few voters who do vote for Lamar 

 

They need to explain why precedent should be broken. No QB has ever won a 3rd MVP before winning a super bowl in NFL history.

 

They need to first answer that question 

 

Secondly, they also need to explain why so many other all time great QBs who even won a super bowl like a drew Brees didn't get MVP and why we didn't give the 3rd MVP to other QBs before they won a championship which would be a continuation of breaking real precedent back to back years. 

 

I would hope ppl in the media ask questions and hold ppl sports journalism accountable. 

 

The answer can't just be "because" along with changing criteria year to year 

[UKBillFan]

Just now, Kelly to Allen said:

The MVP race is over obviously and again congrats to Allen, the first of many more.

 

But with the few voters who do vote for Lamar 

 

They need to explain why precedent should be broken. No QB has ever won a 3rd MVP before winning a super bowl in NFL history.

 

They need to first answer that question 

 

Secondly, they also need to explain why so many other all time great QBs who even won a super bowl like a drew Brees didn't get MVP and why we didn't give the 3rd MVP to other QBs before they won a championship which would be a continuation of breaking real precedent back to back years. 

 

I would hope ppl in the media ask questions and hold ppl sports journalism accountable. 

 

The answer can't just be "because" along with changing criteria year to year 

 

Is it the same voters every year? My big question would be why do stats matter this year when they weren't a priority last year.

[Kelly to Allen]

What is the criteria?

 

Why did the criteria change year to year?

 

Why was precedent broken?

 

Why was real precedent broken back to back years?

 

Why wasn't the exact precedent not broken for previous QBs? Including QBs who already won a championship?

 

If any of the answers are contradictory, ( which they will be), the media member should lose their voting privileges 

 

 

Edited Thursday at 10:20 PM by Kelly to Allen