MVP hype for Allen

[folz]

I've argued for Josh's MVP case on and off over the past year. But, yeah, I think I've finally given up caring about MVP totally at this point.

 

When careers are over and done with, how often is it talked about that a player was the MVP of the league? A little bit more now, but honestly, I barely knew the award even existed until like maybe 7-10 years ago (thanks social media---sarcasm). And I've been watching football for almost 50 years. It's just one more thing for the talking heads to fill air time with and for people on social media to fight about. But, we don't remember (or really care) how many MVPs someone has. Do we think of Drew Brees as a lesser player than he was because he never won an MVP? Are Brian Sipe, Ken Anderson, Boomer Esiason, Rich Gannon, Cam Newton, and Matt Ryan seen as better than some of their better contemporaries because they won an MVP? No. We don't remember MVPs, we remember big games, big moments, amazing plays, big playoff wins, and yes, Super Bowls.

 

Get your Super Bowl(s) Josh and nothing else matters.

 

Not to mention that it has become a completely pointless award when voters alter the criteria each year to suit their personal biases. If there is no integrity to the standards for winning the award, then why should I care what these 32 people (or whatever) have to say? As Bills fans, we just have to accept that some people will never give Josh his full laurels (for whatever reason), at least until he wins a Super Bowl, or maybe when his career is over. It is what it is and who cares. We know who Josh is, his teammates know who Josh is, his coaches know who Josh is. Almost makes it even more special, more personal. He's OUR guy. The Bills (and the mafia) against the world.

[Kelly to Allen]

1 hour ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

 

I actually think there is a decent chance Allen wins MVP and doesn't even get named a pro bowler for the AFC which will be funny as hell and should basically officially put a nail in the coffin of any relevance the "award" used to have. 

 

I guess Burrow is the leading vote getter for the AFC at QB. Jackson will likely get voted in as well. And will Mahomes really be left out even with the down season? I know it is a third fan, player and coach vote. But I just wouldn't be shocked at all if Allen is left off the roster. 

 

 

We keep saying " oh the pro bowl doesn't matter, it's ridiculous"

 

But sports media will continue to use it for discussing legacy etc.

 

It absolutely matters and it's not a good thing that Allen didn't make the pro bowl in 21 or last year unjustly 

 

All the accolades matter. And the more we as fans just say it doesn't matter, will realize how unjust it is when it's time for hof voting. Yes it matters 

 

 

Edited Wednesday at 09:29 PM by Kelly to Allen

[UKBillFan]

1 hour ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

 

I actually think there is a decent chance Allen wins MVP and doesn't even get named a pro bowler for the AFC which will be funny as hell and should basically officially put a nail in the coffin of any relevance the "award" used to have. 

 

I guess Burrow is the leading vote getter for the AFC at QB. Jackson will likely get voted in as well. And will Mahomes really be left out even with the down season? I know it is a third fan, player and coach vote. But I just wouldn't be shocked at all if Allen is left off the roster. 

 

I've been thinking this as well. In my mind, the three AFC Pro-Bowl QBs should be Josh, Burrow and Jackson without question. But the Chiefs record will get Mahomes there again, as per usual. Would be hilarious is Josh is voted MVP but is first reserve, at best, for Pro-Bowl.

[JESSEFEFFER]

19 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

 

I've been thinking this as well. In my mind, the three AFC Pro-Bowl QBs should be Josh, Burrow and Jackson without question. But the Chiefs record will get Mahomes there again, as per usual. Would be hilarious is Josh is voted MVP but is first reserve, at best, for Pro-Bowl.

If the Bills aren't in the Super Bowl, I think Josh would rather play golf that week.

[UKBillFan]

23 minutes ago, JESSEFEFFER said:

If the Bills aren't in the Super Bowl, I think Josh would rather play golf that week.

 

True - though he has every right to tell them where to shove it, rather than being rejected in the first place.

[Ralonzo]

1 hour ago, JESSEFEFFER said:

If the Bills aren't in the Super Bowl, I think Josh would rather play golf that week.

 

Pebble Beach Pro-Am Feb 2-6. Hope you miss it Josh, but I can take one for the team and sub in for you. Tell Keith Mitchell I'm a ringer.

[zow2]

I’m telling you guys. And you can bookmark this post on page 72 and look at it on the night of February 8th.  Our guy, Josh Allen is getting the MVP and the voting won’t be very close.  There is nothing Lamar can do to win it this season… or Burrow or Darnold or Saquon or Goff.

Lamar already having 2 MVPs and his playoff resume have sunk him for this season.  

 

If the Bills don’t make the Super Bowl at least Josh will get this hardware and it will be very meaningful for him, the organization and the City…and his future legacy.

[BananaB]

9 minutes ago, zow2 said:

I’m telling you guys. And you can bookmark this post on page 72 and look at it on the night of February 8th.  Our guy, Josh Allen is getting the MVP and the voting won’t be very close.  There is nothing Lamar can do to win it this season… or Burrow or Darnold or Saquon or Goff.

Lamar already having 2 MVPs and his playoff resume have sunk him for this season.  

 

If the Bills don’t make the Super Bowl at least Josh will get this hardware and it will be very meaningful for him, the organization and the City…and his future legacy.

I laugh at when people bring up Burrow. So Bengals could win and Denver lose and people think he should be in the conversation, but if he wins and Denver wins he didn’t do enough. Makes total sense 😂. 

[Simon]

20 minutes ago, zow2 said:

If the Bills don’t make the Super Bowl at least Josh will get this hardware and it will be very meaningful for him, the organization and the City…and his future legacy.

(I am so going to get in trouble for this)

 

I can see Allen's acceptance speech:

 

<Steps to podium>

"Thank you all for this"

<Holds up trophy>

"If it ain't white, it ain't right!"

<Walks off to stunned silence>

[transplantbillsfan]

Anyone interested in watching a pretty good discussion by 2 pretty thoughtful Football guys, watch Robert Mayes and Derek Classon talk about Lamar vs Josh. Both say it's basically a coin flip but Mayes makes the Josh argument and it's centered around the WR separation argument Dan Orlovsky brought up earlier this week... except Mayes spent some time actually going back and watching every single throw by both QBs.

 

He brings up several other interesting metrics, too.

 

MVP conversation starts at 1:05 and is about 15 minutes long;

 

 

[Doc Brown]

15 hours ago, BobbyC81 said:

Who cares about MVP?

 

I want a Super Bowl Victory before I move on.

 

If the Bills don’t make it to the Super Bowl but Josh got MVP will any of you think/say “Well at least Josh got MVP”?

 

I won’t.

I get that sentiment but the odds are really against us this year winning a Super Bowl with our leaky defense.  This is pry Josh's main shot in his career to win MVP given the low expectations entering the season.

[Doc Brown]

5 hours ago, UKBillFan said:

 

I think this is part of it as well. If Josh had been given MVP last year (personally I think McCaffrey should have got it), then the groundswell would be massively behind Lamar right now. More than it is.

I wouldn't give the MVP to anybody but a quarterback.  Even though McCaffrey was great last year the 49ers pry still easily make the playoffs with another RB last year.  Same goes for Barkley in Philly this year.

[CincyBillsFan]

26 minutes ago, BananaB said:

I laugh at when people bring up Burrow. So Bengals could win and Denver lose and people think he should be in the conversation, but if he wins and Denver wins he didn’t do enough. Makes total sense 😂. 

Hell if Miami wins against a Jet's team running for the bus harder then a hippo runs for water, the Bengals don't get in.

 

 

[billieve420]

Barkley not playing this week and is not going after Dickerson’s record. Barkley was outside shot but definitely out now with no rushing record and more likely to win offensive player of the year instead. Down to Josh and Lamar for MVP. Josh still has good shot to win regardless of what happens but Lamar will have his fair share of supporters. Hopefully, Cleveland’s defense puts up some sort of fight being division opponent as their offense stinks. 

[zow2]

11 hours ago, BananaB said:

I laugh at when people bring up Burrow. So Bengals could win and Denver lose and people think he should be in the conversation, but if he wins and Denver wins he didn’t do enough. Makes total sense 😂. 

 

I've said something similar about Saquon over the past month.  So you're telling me he's MVP of the league if he ended with 2,106 yards....but he's not MVP if he finishes with 2,104 yards?  That's just dumb.

 

 

[strive_for_five_guy]

30 minutes ago, zow2 said:

 

I've said something similar about Saquon over the past month.  So you're telling me he's MVP of the league if he ended with 2,106 yards....but he's not MVP if he finishes with 2,104 yards?  That's just dumb.

 

 

Saquon doing nothing in the 2nd half of the Commanders game when Hurts went out and Pickett came in should tell everyone all they need to know about Saquon being an MVP or not.

 

Josh is tapped the starter in the Pro Bowl game and the only other Bill is Dawkins, while Lamar has multiple other Pro Bowlers on his team.  MVP voters should take note when deciding who is more valuable to their team:

 

https://www.nfl.com/news/2025-pro-bowl-games-complete-afc-roster-revealed

Edited Thursday at 02:11 PM by strive_for_five_guy

[BillsFanNC]

 

[JESSEFEFFER]

17 minutes ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

Saquon doing nothing in the 2nd half of the Commanders game when Hurts went out and Pickett came in should tell everyone all they need to know about Saquon being an MVP or not.

 

Josh is tapped the starter in the Pro Bowl game and the only other Bill is Dawkins, while Lamar has multiple other Pro Bowlers on his team.  MVP voters should take note when deciding who is more valuable to their team:

 

https://www.nfl.com/news/2025-pro-bowl-games-complete-afc-roster-revealed

Josh Allen playing dodgeball would be must see TV but I suspect he comes up with a reason to opt out.

[strive_for_five_guy]

3 minutes ago, JESSEFEFFER said:

Josh Allen playing dodgeball would be must see TV but I suspect he comes up with a reason to opt out.

First Super Bowl game would be a decent reason

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

The Media pundits are out in full force this morning proclaiming Lamar as MVP! Lots of links go check their opinions for yourself. I sense Josh is about to miss out on the award again. After seeing the Pro Bowl picks above (and I think they'll be right) the Ravens will have many more Stars to help Lamar than the Bills do. However, one article even went so far as to say the Bills Defense/Special Teams, and his so-called betrayal index, were much stronger than what Lamar and Burrow have? Are you kidding me? He doesn't even address the skill positions on offense supporting these guys, just ignores it. Oh well just win the Super Bowl and F these awards.