zow2 Posted December 9 Posted December 9 5 hours ago, Big Turk said: Allen now down to between -400 to -500 for MVP after today's performance. Well now he is on pace for 43 TDs after today's game, so could easily be his 5th straight 40+ TD season, extending his own record. Allen -500 and Barkley +350. We all know Josh should win it. A good performance vs Detroit should seal it, but I do think a loss would leave the door slightly open. Mostly because voters want to see the MVP win in these big late Sunday window national games, not lose them. 1 Quote
Beast Posted December 9 Posted December 9 I don’t care who they give it to. I know who the best player in the world is. #17 2 6 2 2 Quote
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted December 9 Posted December 9 (edited) 1 hour ago, zow2 said: Allen -500 and Barkley +350. We all know Josh should win it. A good performance vs Detroit should seal it, but I do think a loss would leave the door slightly open. Mostly because voters want to see the MVP win in these big late Sunday window national games, not lose them. Assuming he doesn’t melt down and plays at least average the rest of the way and we lose the Detroit game and win the rest to go 13-4 I don’t think there’s a chance Josh doesn’t win mvp There’s just too many narratives going in his favor this year Edited December 9 by Generic_Bills_Fan Quote
zow2 Posted December 9 Posted December 9 Think about it, there was a full six-game stretch to start the season where Mahomes totaled 6 TDs and 8 int’s. Six full games! Then you see the silliness that Allen displayed yesterday in one game. Quote
stevewin Posted December 9 Posted December 9 Havn't gone through this thread not sure if this has been posted - here are the voters. I've seen some of the ESPN people say pro-Josh things wrt the MVP - not sure if others have heard other people on the list talk about it. I'm still concerned there will be some percentage that will feel the need to be 'cute' and vote Saquon because that is against the normal grain https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/heres-the-full-list-of-the-50-ap-awards-voters Emmanuel Acho, FS1 Greg Auman, Fox Sports Howard Balzer, PHNX radio Jarrett Bell, USA Today Dave Birkett, Detroit Free Press Tom Brady, Fox Sports Tedy Bruschi, ESPN Vic Carucci, WGRZ radio Mark Craig, Minneapolis Star Tribune Tom Curran, NBC Sports Boston Charles Davis, CBS Sports Nate Davis, USA Today Howard Deneroff, Westwood One Tony Dungy, NBC Sports Jori Epstein, Yahoo Sports Boomer Esiason, CBS Sports Doug Farrar, USA Today Sports Media Mike Florio, Pro Football Talk Reuben Frank, NBC Sports Philadelphia Rich Gannon, SiriusXM Jonathan Jones, CBS Sports Lindsay Jones, The Ringer Mike Jones, The Athletic Clark Judge, Talk of Fame Network Ira Kaufman, JoeBucsFan.com Mina Kimes, ESPN Peter King, NBC Sports Pat Kirwan, SiriusXM Jeff Legwold, ESPN Jim Miller, SiriusXM Sam Monson, Pro Football Focus Bruce Murray, SiriusXM Gary Myers, NFL author Laura Okmin, Fox Sports Dan Orlovsky, ESPN Nick Pavlatos, SiriusXM Dan Pompei, The Athletic Nora Princiotti, The Ringer Lorenzo Reyes, USA Today Charles Robinson, Yahoo Sports Dianna Russini, The Athletic Mike Sando, The Athletic Aaron Schatz, FTN Network Adam Schein, CBS Sports Tom Silverstein, Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel Chris Simms, NBC Sports Armando Salguero, Outkick.com Mike Tirico, NBC Sports Ben Volin, Boston Globe Charean Williams, Pro Football Talk 5 Quote
strive_for_five_guy Posted December 9 Posted December 9 10 hours ago, zow2 said: Allen -500 and Barkley +350. We all know Josh should win it. A good performance vs Detroit should seal it, but I do think a loss would leave the door slightly open. Mostly because voters want to see the MVP win in these big late Sunday window national games, not lose them. This upcoming weekend will be Josh’s best chance to “extend” his lead over Barkley, in my opinion. Pittsburgh is Saquon’s toughest run opponent the rest of the way, whereas the Lions represent the biggest “challenge” for Josh the rest of the way. So if we can win while Saquon potentially gets slowed down and possibly loses, that would hopefully add to the separation and lessen the chance of Saquon reaching the rushing title while increasing our chance of 14-3. Past this weekend, I’m concerned the narrative could start to shift back towards Barkley in the last three weeks, given the poor run D’s he faces including his ex-team in Week 18. If Barkley reaches the rushing title, will be interesting to see if that matters to voters or not. 1 Quote
The Wiz Posted December 9 Posted December 9 10 hours ago, zow2 said: Allen -500 and Barkley +350. We all know Josh should win it. A good performance vs Detroit should seal it, but I do think a loss would leave the door slightly open. Mostly because voters want to see the MVP win in these big late Sunday window national games, not lose them. If he puts up half the performance he did against the Lions that he did against the Rams, I don't see his line moving. I honestly think most voters are already penning Barkley as OPOY. 1 Quote
Warcodered Posted December 9 Posted December 9 1 minute ago, The Wiz said: If he puts up half the performance he did against the Lions that he did against the Rams, I don't see his line moving. I honestly think most voters are already penning Barkley as OPOY. Yeah and they're not going to give both of those to one player and they're just more comfortable giving MVP to a QB and OPOY to another position. 1 2 Quote
The Wiz Posted December 9 Posted December 9 (edited) 5 minutes ago, stevewin said: Havn't gone through this thread not sure if this has been posted - here are the voters. I've seen some of the ESPN people say pro-Josh things wrt the MVP - not sure if others have heard other people on the list talk about it. I'm still concerned there will be some percentage that will feel the need to be 'cute' and vote Saquon because that is against the normal grain https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/heres-the-full-list-of-the-50-ap-awards-voters Emmanuel Acho, FS1 Greg Auman, Fox Sports Howard Balzer, PHNX radio Jarrett Bell, USA Today Dave Birkett, Detroit Free Press Tom Brady, Fox Sports Tedy Bruschi, ESPN Vic Carucci, WGRZ radio Mark Craig, Minneapolis Star Tribune Tom Curran, NBC Sports Boston Charles Davis, CBS Sports Nate Davis, USA Today Howard Deneroff, Westwood One Tony Dungy, NBC Sports Jori Epstein, Yahoo Sports Boomer Esiason, CBS Sports Doug Farrar, USA Today Sports Media Mike Florio, Pro Football Talk Reuben Frank, NBC Sports Philadelphia Rich Gannon, SiriusXM Jonathan Jones, CBS Sports Lindsay Jones, The Ringer Mike Jones, The Athletic Clark Judge, Talk of Fame Network Ira Kaufman, JoeBucsFan.com Mina Kimes, ESPN Peter King, NBC Sports Pat Kirwan, SiriusXM Jeff Legwold, ESPN Jim Miller, SiriusXM Sam Monson, Pro Football Focus Bruce Murray, SiriusXM Gary Myers, NFL author Laura Okmin, Fox Sports Dan Orlovsky, ESPN Nick Pavlatos, SiriusXM Dan Pompei, The Athletic Nora Princiotti, The Ringer Lorenzo Reyes, USA Today Charles Robinson, Yahoo Sports Dianna Russini, The Athletic Mike Sando, The Athletic Aaron Schatz, FTN Network Adam Schein, CBS Sports Tom Silverstein, Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel Chris Simms, NBC Sports Armando Salguero, Outkick.com Mike Tirico, NBC Sports Ben Volin, Boston Globe Charean Williams, Pro Football Talk I've never seen this list before so I appreciate it. At a quick glance, I'd say 30 of the names already have Allen as MVP and not going to change their mind about it unless Allen has a Jets like performance (3 INTs) next week and Barkley has 150+ for 2-3 TDs. Edited December 9 by The Wiz Quote
njbuff Posted December 9 Posted December 9 10 hours ago, Beast said: I don’t care who they give it to. I know who the best player in the world is. #17 Josh Allen is the greatest professional athlete in the world today, but he might not have the most important hardware to prove it. 1 1 Quote
strive_for_five_guy Posted December 9 Posted December 9 10 minutes ago, The Wiz said: I've never seen this list before so I appreciate it. At a quick glance, I'd say 30 of the names already have Allen as MVP and not going to change their mind about it unless Allen has a Jets like performance (3 INTs) next week and Barkley has 150+ for 2-3 TDs. Aside from their integrity, what’s to keep each of these folks from either sharing their votes with each other and then passing along to friends to go place bets, or working with the books to throw out comments about certain players, to influence the betting markets? Quote
The Wiz Posted December 9 Posted December 9 2 minutes ago, strive_for_five_guy said: Aside from their integrity, what’s to keep each of these folks from either sharing their votes with each other and then passing along to friends to go place bets, or working with the books to throw out comments about certain players, to influence the betting markets? Funny enough, I just watched "eight men out" last night. That's kind of why. If enough people know, then everyone is going to know "the fix is in". And I don't think most of these people that have a vote care enough to get them to bet on someone that is -400 or +350 or even +1000 to give up their integrity. If you were telling one of these people that someone at +5000 or higher might be the favorite, then I could see it happening. 1 Quote
Billl Posted December 9 Posted December 9 11 hours ago, zow2 said: Allen -500 and Barkley +350. We all know Josh should win it. A good performance vs Detroit should seal it, but I do think a loss would leave the door slightly open. Mostly because voters want to see the MVP win in these big late Sunday window national games, not lose them. Josh is going to win, there’s no real doubt at this point. He obviously deserves it, but it’s also pretty clear that the organization has made it a priority to ensure that he brings it home. It’s free money at this point. 1 Quote
zow2 Posted December 9 Posted December 9 One thing about KC continuing to win and being 12-1 is that one blemish is Josh and the Bills. If they can put a dent into Detroit that’s ballgame for the MVP. Like others said, probably his regardless. Quote
Blackbeard Posted December 9 Posted December 9 54 minutes ago, wppete said: He's the best player in the NFL. There is ZERO question with that. 1 Quote
Big Turk Posted December 10 Posted December 10 (edited) 2 hours ago, Billl said: Josh is going to win, there’s no real doubt at this point. He obviously deserves it, but it’s also pretty clear that the organization has made it a priority to ensure that he brings it home. It’s free money at this point. If he doesn't win there is a systemic and collusionary effort on the part of the MVP voters to prevent him from getting it and they should be investigated for impropriety and vote selling like back in the days when popes used to be elected based on bribing Cardinals with money and promises of favors for votes. Edited December 10 by Big Turk 1 1 1 Quote
BuffBillsForLife Posted December 11 Posted December 11 Will Josh break 4k yards passing this year? Does it matter? Quote
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