MVP hype for Allen

[Doc Brown]

2 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said:

Hopefully even though this did not appear on the stat sheet as a completion, the voters take a hard look at this play:

 

 

Or this one......

 

Can't teach those instincts.

[GoBills808]

27 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Or this one......

 

Can't teach those instincts.

Not to change the subject but this play is exactly why Kincaid hasn't taken the next step this yr and it's mostly between the ears

 

Allen IDs man zero presnap but Kincaid doesn't. He needs to understand he's hot there and get his head around for the ball immediately and then just walk into the end zone. Instead he just runs his route, Allen has to tuck it and make something extraordinary happen

 

 

[Simon]

55 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Not to change the subject but this play is exactly why Kincaid hasn't taken the next step this yr and it's mostly between the ears

 

Allen IDs man zero presnap but Kincaid doesn't. He needs to understand he's hot there and get his head around for the ball immediately and then just walk into the end zone. Instead he just runs his route, Allen has to tuck it and make something extraordinary happen

 

 

 

He did get his head around the second he came open but a free rusher had already forced Allen to pull the ball down at that point.

[Beck Water]

7 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

odd perception:

 

that receiver corps was there last year when the team was 7-10 (4-4 with Cousins).

 

Vikes haven't won 14 or more since 1998

 

Sure he has great receiving weapons--so does Burrows: isn't he also "elevated" by that crew? 

 

Darnold is not a game manager on that team.  

 

Yo, Mr. Straw, did I call Arnold a "game manager" or say he was a game manager on that team?

 

Saying he is elevated by having the 3 receivers he has and the run game they have, which I did, is not an equivalent statement.

[Last season, Jefferson missed 7 games and Addison was a rookie, so no, the receiver corps was not there all of last year. And they didn't have as good of a run game, no Aaron Jones]

 

 

Edited Wednesday at 12:19 AM by Beck Water

[BananaB]

1 hour ago, Doc Brown said:

Or this one......

 

Can't teach those instincts.

The TD run that was called back against the Dolphins right before half was one of my favourite plays this year. That counts and that game could be another blowout. Jmo. Think there was another bad call that stalled them during that drive as well. 
 

Ah yes, there was a TD pass called back when they called Dawkins for holding, then he took it in on the next play if I remember correctly. 

Edited Wednesday at 12:28 AM by BananaB

[Beck Water]

52 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Not to change the subject but this play is exactly why Kincaid hasn't taken the next step this yr and it's mostly between the ears

 

Allen IDs man zero presnap but Kincaid doesn't. He needs to understand he's hot there and get his head around for the ball immediately and then just walk into the end zone. Instead he just runs his route, Allen has to tuck it and make something extraordinary happen

 

 

 

C'mon man.  That was 3rd and goal.  Exactly where in that film clip do you feel Kincaid should have "gone hot"?  Does the Bills not much good for him to turn around just past the LOS 

[GoBills808]

13 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

C'mon man.  That was 3rd and goal.  Exactly where in that film clip do you feel Kincaid should have "gone hot"?  Does the Bills not much good for him to turn around just past the LOS 

Needs to recognize coverage there

 

Allen is staring him down waiting 

[BillsFan130]

18 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

C'mon man.  That was 3rd and goal.  Exactly where in that film clip do you feel Kincaid should have "gone hot"?  Does the Bills not much good for him to turn around just past the LOS 

The guy who was covering, blitzed. Looks to me Kincaid should have gone hot as soon as he saw his guy blitz. (Josh was looking his way but Kincaid kept running the route)

 

If he sits hot, it's an easy pitch and catch and has a ton of room to beat a man in space and it's probably an easy TD

Edited Wednesday at 12:38 AM by BillsFan130

[transplantbillsfan]

Mina Kimes is one of the MVP voters. On her show today she and Dominique Foxworth "debated" the MVP. Didn't sound at all like a debate. At the end she said unless Lamar lays a dud this weekend, Lamar is her vote.

[Beck Water]

1 minute ago, transplantbillsfan said:

Mina Kimes is one of the MVP voters. On her show today she and Dominique Foxworth "debated" the MVP. Didn't sound at all like a debate. At the end she said unless Lamar lays a dud this weekend, Lamar is her vote.

 

Dan Orlovsky said they aren't supposed to disclose who they are voting for....

[Boatdrinks]

5 hours ago, Kelly to Allen said:

 

 

It's truly remarkable. All we need is a couple rings and he's probably going to enter goat status 

 

It's crazy we haven't won a super bowl yet. But mahomes is also an all time all time great 

It is crazy. Eliminating the  bye week for the 2 seed has seen to that. 

11 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

Why is MVP all that anyone is talking about? For weeks on end it’s relentless. When has this ever happened? It’s truly not that serious. It’s a regular season award. Who cares. Go win the Super Bowl. I hope Josh Allen wins but man. It’s like nobody has anything else to talk about. It’s all day every day it’s nauseating. And for what? 5 mins after it’s announced nobody is going to care. Win the Super Bowl FFS

Breaking news : the playoffs don’t start for another week. The Super Bowl is in February. 

[Since1981]

19 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

Mina Kimes is one of the MVP voters.

She never liked/likes 17

there’s still this underlying gripes with pre 2017 kid. 
 

[strive_for_five_guy]

21 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

Dan Orlovsky said they aren't supposed to disclose who they are voting for....

If you aren’t voting for Lamar, you aren’t supposed to disclose it.  Because otherwise all the big babies come out and cry about Lamar’s stats being better than Josh’s.

[stevewin]

5 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said:

Hopefully even though this did not appear on the stat sheet as a completion, the voters take a hard look at this play:

 

 

And the perfect bomb dime to Keon called back for a questionable hold, and the throw down the middle with a defender pulling him down by his leg that Shakir dropped

[buffblue]

This debate is absolutely toxic, and I fully admit that I have become too invested in the outcome.

 

I just don't understand how statistical arguments are all of a sudden the most important this year; but even more so, I am dumbfounded that Jackson's stats in particular are being portrayed as so far superior to Allen's as though they are in different universes, like Lamar having 1500 more yards and 20 more TD's. The stats are really, really close, and if Lamar has a slight edge in the traditional stats, Allen certainly leads in many advanced metrics.

 

To me, MVP means exactly as it says, and no man is more essential to his team's success or failure than Josh. I truly believe that if Allen doesn't secure the MVP this year he will never win one in his career.

 

 

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

1 hour ago, Boatdrinks said:

It is crazy. Eliminating the  bye week for the 2 seed has seen to that. 

Breaking news : the playoffs don’t start for another week. The Super Bowl is in February. 

Is the MVP vote tomorrow bud?

[PoundingDog]

31 minutes ago, buffblue said:

I truly believe that if Allen doesn't secure the MVP this year he will never win one in his career.

That's a strong statement. I don't agree; strongly disagree.

 

I believe Allen has at least one ridiculous season (like Mahomes 2018) coming, something like 50 passing TDs. Only 3 guys ever did that and they were all MVPs. Take a guess who are those 3 if you want. Hint, one did it at age 22, another at age 30, and another did at age 37.

 

Allen's late boomer still learning some of the nuances of the game and becoming more steady (or less volatile) game to game. It will probably coincide with the Bills getting a true super star WR.

[Ralonzo]

1 hour ago, transplantbillsfan said:

Mina Kimes is one of the MVP voters. On her show today she and Dominique Foxworth "debated" the MVP. Didn't sound at all like a debate. At the end she said unless Lamar lays a dud this weekend, Lamar is her vote.

 

I'm sure she has no agenda regarding Allen at all.

[transplantbillsfan]

48 minutes ago, Since1981 said:

She never liked/likes 17

there’s still this underlying gripes with pre 2017 kid. 
 

 

She was anti Allen early, but I don't think that's true anymore. I generally like listening to her. She's pretty thoughtful about her Football takes.

 

With that said, one thing surprised and annoyed me in her "case" for Lamar.

 

She compared Interceptions among the 3 primary QB contenders, but Foxworth asked directly about total turnovers including fumbles because doesn't Lamar have a good amount of fumbles? She proceeds to say that's a good point and that she'd have to look that up (I guess Google was unavailable at that time) and skirted past it.

 

This has ALWAYS been my biggest issue in the Josh vs Lamar MVP discussion, especially in the last 2 years. Lamar is a fumble machine and Allen has seriously cleaned up that aspect of his game. 

 

Total turnovers over last 2 years when factoring in fumbles:

2023

Allen: 22

Lamar: 13

 

2024

Allen: 8

Lamar: 9

 

Yet evidently voters aren't paying attention to lost fumbles.

 

Couple notes... last season Josh had 44 total TDs and Lamar had 29. The Bills were also still the 2 seed last year and the Ravens won't be better than the 3.

 

I actually thought and still think Josh was more deserving last year based on historical precedent. Now with the new precedent they set of giving it to him last year (almost unanimously, btw), I fear they'll move the goalposts again 

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, PoundingDog said:

That's a strong statement. I don't agree; strongly disagree.

 

I believe Allen has at least one ridiculous season (like Mahomes 2018) coming, something like 50 passing TDs. Only 3 guys ever did that and they were all MVPs. Take a guess who are those 3 if you want. Hint, one did it at age 22, another at age 30, and another did at age 37.

 

Allen's late boomer still learning some of the nuances of the game and becoming more steady (or less volatile) game to game. It will probably coincide with the Bills getting a true super star WR.

It won't matter imo. The criteria is too malleable and the sentiment against him too weirdly consistent

 

I hope Allen really doesn't care about the MVP like he says because it's not going to happen