MVP hype for Allen

[Mr. WEO]

1 minute ago, GoBills808 said:

Jefferson missed half of last season

 

And Flores' defense is most responsible for their turnaround imo

 

Defense got better (with Flores they were mediocre last year)--that has helped for sure--it's what held them back when Cousins was having solid seasons.

 

In 2022, Cousins/Jefferson/Hockenson/Thielen plus D Cook were not as productive as Darnold/Jefferson/Hockenson/Addison plus Jones.  It's clear this team got better with Darnold.

 

You'll see when McCarthy takes over next year....

[GoBills808]

Just now, Mr. WEO said:

 

Defense got better (with Flores they were mediocre last year)--that has helped for sure--it's what held them back when Cousins was having solid seasons.

 

In 2022, Cousins/Jefferson/Hockenson/Thielen plus D Cook were not as productive as Darnold/Jefferson/Hockenson/Addison plus Jones.  It's clear this team got better with Darnold.

 

You'll see when McCarthy takes over next year....

I don't mean to minimize what Darnold has done because he's been great for them and it's cool to see a guy resurrect his career...great story no doubt. They got way better w him 100%

 

I just think in totality there are competing reasons why the Vikings are winning and that may influence his MVP candidacy

 

Wonder if he's eligible for comeback POY or something like that

[FireChans]

1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Defense got better (with Flores they were mediocre last year)--that has helped for sure--it's what held them back when Cousins was having solid seasons.

 

In 2022, Cousins/Jefferson/Hockenson/Thielen plus D Cook were not as productive as Darnold/Jefferson/Hockenson/Addison plus Jones.  It's clear this team got better with Darnold.

 

You'll see when McCarthy takes over next year....

I think Darnold is actually kinda deserving of consideration, ESPECIALLY if they win the #1 seed.

 

What holds him back is kinda complex to me. He's kinda been a bum everywhere else and it's not like the Vikings are a perennial bad team, they had good years with Cousins who was fine to good but no superstar, so he gets less credit for their spectacular season. It's the Jimmy G spector hanging over Brock Purdy's career effect.

 

They also have really good talent.

 

And, maybe most importantly, the MVP is a narrative award. The entire early season narrative with Minnesota was "how long can Darnold pretend he's a good QB," then when MVP talks started heating up in late October/early November, they dropped 2 against the Lions and the Rams. Now it's almost January and no one has talked about him being MVP because the narrative was never cultivated.

 

[PoundingDog]

42 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Allen is the best QB in the NFL.

I'm not into MVP discussion. But I do have an opinion of best QB in NFL. Stats is meaningless to me. Winning is the #1 criteria. If you are a QB gifted with Chase as one of your receiver, you gotta take advantage of that and leverage that asset to other success on offense. Likewise if you have Henry as your RB, you gotta do the same. That's where I believe Burrows and Jackson deserve some best QB votes, especially Lamar - I see some significant growth where he's no longer running out of pocket and just look for run; he's now getting to Allen/Mahomes/Burrows territory of managing time when there is guy in his face and continue to look for a pass down field.

 

For Allen, the big growth is the decision making of not taking too many risks. And I'll see truly he has grown into that since Brady took over last year (part of the reason I don't believe he's best QB last year). Copper mentioned after his amazing TD catch against the Jets that some QBs won't throw those jump ball and Allen is one of them who will and Cooper appreciates that. But you know what? This is exactly where Allen's growth is -  that he did less of it than he has ever done in his career; he used to do so to bona fide top guys like Diggs who believed (and demanded) throwing him the ball in any situation. Knowing when to take a risk (and finding better alternatives) is important and I suspect unlike Mahomes/burrows of the world where they were brought up in college ranks with superior talent/talent against top level oppositions, Allen had to go thru several years in NFL to master that.   

[C.Biscuit97]

Another reason why MVP is stupid: why isn’t Jayden Daniels more talked about?  They were a joke franchise and won 4 games last year. Because he’s a rookie?

 

 

[Doc]

Polymarket has Josh at 76% to win the MVP award and Lamar at 17%. It’s Josh‘s.  

[Kelly to Allen]

Up to -420 on FanDuel now. It's over 

 

Congratulations Josh Allen on your first MVP with many more to come. 

 

Very deserved and with his top 5 finishes in the MVP race in 3 of the past 4 years, this MVP will make Allen and automatic first ballot Hof resume.

 

If Allen wins the Superbowl this year after beating mahomes in the playoffs and obviously has MVP, it will go down as one of the best seasons ever from a QB and put Allen in top ten all time QBs to ever play 

[BigAl2526]

First, let me state the obvious: The three players I've heard mentioned for MVP consideration are Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, and Saquon Barkley.  Lamar Jackson has actually had a (slightly) superior year statistically than Josh Allen.  Barkley is getting mention (rare for a running back) because he's a 2,000 yard rusher with a chance to surpass Eric Dickerson's all-time season record.  It's still hard to imagine a running back getting the MVP award over a QB because a QB touches the ball on virtually every offensive snap, save for a handful of direct snaps to a running back over the course of a season.  I figure the race is between Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson.  It's Jackson's individual stats versus the fact that Buffalo has a couple more wins than Baltimore and the Bills have a higher point total for the season.  It's also possible that having Derrick Henry, who had a dominating season for the Ravens, could work against Jackson.  Cook was good for Buffalo, but didn't have near the total yards that Henry has had.  My money's on Josh Allen.

[Kelly to Allen]

18 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Another reason why MVP is stupid: why isn’t Jayden Daniels more talked about?  They were a joke franchise and won 4 games last year. Because he’s a rookie?

 

 

He's 100% roty 

 

Has unique poise in the pocket for a rookie. He's going to be better than hurts imo

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, GoBills808 said:

I don't mean to minimize what Darnold has done because he's been great for them and it's cool to see a guy resurrect his career...great story no doubt. They got way better w him 100%

 

I just think in totality there are competing reasons why the Vikings are winning and that may influence his MVP candidacy

 

Wonder if he's eligible for comeback POY or something like that

 

He never left.   They changed the rules so that you actually have to come back from....something.

 

1 hour ago, FireChans said:

I think Darnold is actually kinda deserving of consideration, ESPECIALLY if they win the #1 seed.

 

What holds him back is kinda complex to me. He's kinda been a bum everywhere else and it's not like the Vikings are a perennial bad team, they had good years with Cousins who was fine to good but no superstar, so he gets less credit for their spectacular season. It's the Jimmy G spector hanging over Brock Purdy's career effect.

 

They also have really good talent.

 

And, maybe most importantly, the MVP is a narrative award. The entire early season narrative with Minnesota was "how long can Darnold pretend he's a good QB," then when MVP talks started heating up in late October/early November, they dropped 2 against the Lions and the Rams. Now it's almost January and no one has talked about him being MVP because the narrative was never cultivated.

 

 

Losing to the Rams should not be disqualifying (right?).. Same for Detroit.  

 

1 hour ago, PoundingDog said:

I'm not into MVP discussion. But I do have an opinion of best QB in NFL. Stats is meaningless to me. Winning is the #1 criteria. If you are a QB gifted with Chase as one of your receiver, you gotta take advantage of that and leverage that asset to other success on offense. Likewise if you have Henry as your RB, you gotta do the same. That's where I believe Burrows and Jackson deserve some best QB votes, especially Lamar - I see some significant growth where he's no longer running out of pocket and just look for run; he's now getting to Allen/Mahomes/Burrows territory of managing time when there is guy in his face and continue to look for a pass down field.

 

For Allen, the big growth is the decision making of not taking too many risks. And I'll see truly he has grown into that since Brady took over last year (part of the reason I don't believe he's best QB last year). Copper mentioned after his amazing TD catch against the Jets that some QBs won't throw those jump ball and Allen is one of them who will and Cooper appreciates that. But you know what? This is exactly where Allen's growth is -  that he did less of it than he has ever done in his career; he used to do so to bona fide top guys like Diggs who believed (and demanded) throwing him the ball in any situation. Knowing when to take a risk (and finding better alternatives) is important and I suspect unlike Mahomes/burrows of the world where they were brought up in college ranks with superior talent/talent against top level oppositions, Allen had to go thru several years in NFL to master that.   

 

So...Mahomes is the best in your opinion? 

 

 

[Scott7975]

One thing this has taught me... I thought Miami fans were intolerable. I thought Chiefs fans were the scum of the planet.  Neither one of them prepared me for Lamar fans. Holy frick I can't even go on X anymore. My entire timeline is flooded with their constant crap. 

[DaVinci]

Seen a post that said "Bills keep risking Josh Allens health to pry MVP from Jackson " Ebony Bird

 

Really WTF he's gona play one snap. Welcome to the sge of disinformation. 

[FireChans]

9 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

Losing to the Rams should not be disqualifying (right?).. Same for Detroit.  

No it shouldn’t be. Especially if they beat them this week.

 

I’m just saying why there is no buzz about him being MVP. 
 

I think he has a case if he wins this week. Like a really good top 3 case.

[Mr. WEO]

5 minutes ago, FireChans said:

No it shouldn’t be. Especially if they beat them this week.

 

I’m just saying why there is no buzz about him being MVP. 
 

I think he has a case if he wins this week. Like a really good top 3 case.

that’s why I posted.  Seems odd 

 

 

[Kelly to Allen]

This is really exciting and I'm happy for his teammates too. 

 

When does the pro bowl roster get announced?

 

I have 

 

Allen 

Cook

Dawkins 

Brown 

Rousseau 

Bernard 

Benford 

Martin 

 

All making the pro bowl 

[zow2]

16 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

One thing this has taught me... I thought Miami fans were intolerable. I thought Chiefs fans were the scum of the planet.  Neither one of them prepared me for Lamar fans. Holy frick I can't even go on X anymore. My entire timeline is flooded with their constant crap. 

 

True but I would hope Bills fans would be going equally ballistic if Lamar were the betting favorite now, and we'd be flooding other people timelines.

 

 

[Kelly to Allen]

5 minutes ago, zow2 said:

 

True but I would hope Bills fans would be going equally ballistic if Lamar were the betting favorite now, and we'd be flooding other people timelines.

 

 

No QB has ever won a 3rd MVP until winning a championship. 

 

I misspoke and thought it was 2. 

 

But yeah, not even Peyton Manning won a 3rd MVP until winning a super bowl 

 

Add in Henry who is a future first ballot Hof RB running for almost 2000 yds, and Lamar having 2 more losses. 

 

It's completely absurd to not give the award to Allen.

 

Allen lost diggs and has more wins 

Lamar added Henry ( the Eric Dickerson of this era) and lost more....

 

It's over. Allen should get almost every vote. 

 

Chris broussaard actually said Allen is going to win it, and he gave the best methodology and reasoning for why imo yesterday. 

Edited December 31, 2024 by Kelly to Allen

[GoBills808]

29 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

He never left.   They changed the rules so that you actually have to come back from....something.

 

 

Losing to the Rams should not be disqualifying (right?).. Same for Detroit.  

 

 

So...Mahomes is the best in your opinion? 

 

 

😂😂I think they should amend it then

 

I mean being drafted by the jets is the functional equivalent of a career threatening injury

[ChrisWatson#21]

Can't wait for it to be over with.  These Lamar apologists in the media are insufferable.  It's getting toxic🤢

[folz]

Thought I would look up, out of curiosity, the combined stats of both players for the three MVP seasons in question [Lamar's 2 MVP seasons (2019, 2023) and this year], just to see how close their stats are. [Not that anyone thought Josh should have won MVP in 2019.]

 

Combined stats for 2019, 2023, and 2024 (total yards, total TDs, turnovers).

 

Lamar Jackson: 13,639 yards   115 TDs   47 TOs      Team record: 37-10     

Josh Allen:           12,691 yards   122 TDs   56 TOs      Team record: 34-15     

 

 

 

I still love that the two most doubted QBs in a presumed all-time draft class are now the ones in arguments over who is the MVP.

Though I'm also happy that Baker and Sam are having a resurgence of their careers.