MVP hype for Allen

[strive_for_five_guy]

3 minutes ago, Magox said:

 

You're right, I must have misheard him say it on his show.

Yea I had to play it back, he said it quick. 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

Why isn't Darnold MVP?  Fished out of another garbage can to lead the Vikes to 14-2 in the toughest division in the NFL.

 

Not enough highlight type plays I’d say..some guys just feel like the team is elevating them and some feel like they’re elevating the team and Darnold is in that first category at the moment 

 

 

[Coach Tuesday]

17 hours ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

thanks for the advice, I'll make sure to file it somewhere imporatant

 

File it wherever you keep this legendary take of yours:

 

 

[Warcodered]

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

Why isn't Darnold MVP?  Fished out of another garbage can to lead the Vikes to 14-2 in the toughest division in the NFL.

 

Well he does have 5 fewer TDs and twice as many turnovers.

[ShakAttack]

We know Allen has essentially played one less game than other MVP candidates due to sitting early in blowout wins, but here's another thing to consider... 

 

Initially, I had some concern over Allen being "prisoner of the moment" next week after only playing one snap / series against the Pats while Lamar gets an additional 4 quarters to tee off on the lowly Browns, who will probably have DTR starting again, which means they won't have any offensive production. We are looking at another 3-4 TDs+ for Lamar Jackson, and it will be fresh in everyone's mind, at the expense of Josh Allen...

 

Or will it be?

 

I think this may actually benefit Allen and his case for MVP because in addition to the argument that I've heard this past week that Allen played a lot less snaps this season due to the number of blowout wins we had, we should also start to hear about Lamar playing an additional game in Week 18. 

 

As a result, when those stat snapshots are shown, a logical reaction would be "Yeah, well, Lamar has played 1... arguably even 2 additional games than Josh Allen this season" so of course there is going to a significant statistical disparity! 

 

And I believe this helps Allen because, let's be honest here, Lamar would most likely be pretty well ahead of Allen in some of these stat categories even if they did play the same # of games, but now, we something to downplay / discredit one of the biggest arguments in favor of Lamar, especially when considering WHY Allen is going to end up with 2 games less worth of snaps than Lamar:

 

It's because the Bills have been BETTER than the Ravens this year! This is why Allen has been able to take a seat on the bench early in the 4th quarter in a handful of games this season and it is why he is likely sitting out next week, aside from taking the first snap to keep his consecutive start streak going.  All of this has been earned despite having an equally unreliable defense and significantly less talent on the roster.

 

I also understand that MVP is not as much of a statistical award as Offensive Player of the Year (thankfully) and it is more based on a player's value to his team, which is a huge reason that Allen is the favorite right now, but as we've seen over the past few weeks with the vast amount of statistical comparisons being posted online, a lot of people still unfortunately look at MVP from this perspective, but now, since there will be a clear and significant difference in playing time, I am hoping the stats will not hold as much weight.

 

Anyway, we will see how it pans out, but my point is, there's a chance that less playing time gives Allen more of an advantage than disadvantage here, but it ultimately depends on the narrative(s) that emerge after Week 18. 

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

Why is MVP all that anyone is talking about? For weeks on end it’s relentless. When has this ever happened? It’s truly not that serious. It’s a regular season award. Who cares. Go win the Super Bowl. I hope Josh Allen wins but man. It’s like nobody has anything else to talk about. It’s all day every day it’s nauseating. And for what? 5 mins after it’s announced nobody is going to care. Win the Super Bowl FFS

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

Would you trade Josh Allen for Sam Darnold?

 

no, but that's not an answer to my question.

 

17 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Not enough highlight type plays I’d say..some guys just feel like the team is elevating them and some feel like they’re elevating the team and Darnold is in that first category at the moment 

 

 

 

Darnold is absolutely elevating that 7-10 team.. If McCarthy was the starter they are a 4-5 win team.

 

4 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

Well he does have 5 fewer TDs and twice as many turnovers.

 

It's not just about stats.  If it was, Burrow wins it going away

[frostbitmic]

While Josh and Lamar split the QB votes, Barkley after going for 110 and breaking Dickerson's Rushing record will win MVP.

 

Adding King Henry makes Lamar borderline MVP on his own team.

[stevewin]

8 hours ago, GASabresIUFan said:

 

Its a small point but in the beginning the "co-mvp" talk is just another example of talking heads blabbering on about something they don't even fully understand- sure "it's happened before" - back when the voting rules were different.  You would think they would at least know how the voting works before spouting such nonsense 

[zow2]

14 minutes ago, frostbitmic said:

While Josh and Lamar split the QB votes, Barkley after going for 110 and breaking Dickerson's Rushing record will win MVP.

 

Adding King Henry makes Lamar borderline MVP on his own team.

 

Shefter has said that from everything he's heard, Barkley will not be exposed in a meaningless week 18 game.  They wanted the 2,000 and got it.  If they chase the record the Eagles are also exposing their starting Olinemen.  Other reporters have said that coach is leaving it up to the players themselves if they want to chase it.  I do think if he breaks the rushing record that will get him more votes but not sure how much it will affect the overall voting.

 

Allen sitting in week 18 will be the same as Lamar sitting week 18 last season.  It didn't affect the MVP voting at all.  

 

   

[DapperCam]

If Allen already had an MVP, then I think there is a good chance that this upcoming Lions vs Vikings game would be for who wins MVP. The stats aren’t really that different between all of the top QBs this year.

 

The narrative formed around Allen, and that seems to be way more important than anything else (see Lamar’s win last year).

[strive_for_five_guy]

33 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

no, but that's not an answer to my question.

 

Right, but why wouldn’t you trade Josh Allen for Sam Darnold?

[Beck Water]

20 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

 

The criteria hasnt changed for voters. It has changed for media looking for clicks. It has changed for fans arguing for their own QB.  Both Acho and now Dan O, who both have votes, have now come out and tried to tell people this is not a stat reward. OPOY is for the stat award.  I posted Acho before telling people how the MVP is voted. Now I will post Dan O...

 

 

 

I like the guy in the comments who says "Lamar's receivers get open because his rushing abilities let him buy time for them to get open"

Tell me you haven't watched Josh Allen play very much, without telling me you haven't watched Josh Allen play very much

42 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

Why is MVP all that anyone is talking about? For weeks on end it’s relentless. When has this ever happened? It’s truly not that serious. It’s a regular season award. Who cares. Go win the Super Bowl. I hope Josh Allen wins but man. It’s like nobody has anything else to talk about. It’s all day every day it’s nauseating. And for what? 5 mins after it’s announced nobody is going to care. Win the Super Bowl FFS

 

I personally agree with you.  I kind of laughed when Rodgers alluded to his own 4 MVP awards, do you think he wouldn't trade them for 4 more Superbowl appearances?  

[Beck Water]

19 hours ago, Success said:

Am I missing something?  When did MVP become a "strictly stats" award?

 

It's not.  It's never been.   It's supposed to be about the impact of the contribution.

 

That was Spencer Brown's point in his interview that's being interpreted as "taking a shot" at Lamar.  His point is last year, when Allen had better stats, the MVP conversation was all "it's not about stats, it's about the impact of his contribution to the team".  OK, fair enough.  But now, this year, don't turn around and say "look, Lamar has better stats".

As far as impact on the team, taking nothing away from Jackson who is a great player and who has worked hard to improve his abilities as a passer, but from what I see the addition of Derrick Henry and the year he's had, have had the biggest impact on the Ravens success.  The Ravens didn't beat the Bills because Lamar Jackson threw for 156 yds.  They beat the Bills because Derrick Henry rushed for 199 yds. 

When I've watched the Ravens play, Henry jumps off the screen as a difference maker for them.

 

 

 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

One stat I saw today is Joe Burrow has 20 passing TDs inside the 5. Allen and Jackson have 7.

 

Allen only has 7 rushing TDs inside the 5, Cook has 6. Hurts leads with 11. Jackson has 0, Henry has 9. Burrow had 1.

 

So Burrow definitely is padding his passing TD stats a little. Burrow has 21 TDs inside the 5 while Allen has 14, and Jackson only has 7.

 

Not sure of the accuracy of these stats though, got them on fantasypros.

[Beck Water]

2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

Why isn't Darnold MVP?  Fished out of another garbage can to lead the Vikes to 14-2 in the toughest division in the NFL.

 

 

The perception (and I rather share it) is that Josh is elevating the team, while Darnold is being elevated by his team.

 

I'm pretty much tickled for Sam that he's having such a resurgence in his career.  But he's got a very good RB in Aaron Jones and in Jefferson, Addison, and Hockenson he's possibly got the 2nd best receiving corps in the league, right after the Bengals.

 

I did NOT have "4 QB from the 2018 Draft Class In Playoffs" on my Bingo Card

[strive_for_five_guy]

30 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

One stat I saw today is Joe Burrow has 20 passing TDs inside the 5. Allen and Jackson have 7.

 

Allen only has 7 rushing TDs inside the 5, Cook has 6. Hurts leads with 11. Jackson has 0, Henry has 9. Burrow had 1.

 

So Burrow definitely is padding his passing TD stats a little. Burrow has 21 TDs inside the 5 while Allen has 14, and Jackson only has 7.

 

Not sure of the accuracy of these stats though, got them on fantasypros.

Sounds right, the Bengals don’t have as strong a running game as the Bills or Ravens.

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

Right, but why wouldn’t you trade Josh Allen for Sam Darnold?

 

Allen is the best QB in the NFL.

[Mr. WEO]

27 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

The perception (and I rather share it) is that Josh is elevating the team, while Darnold is being elevated by his team.

 

I'm pretty much tickled for Sam that he's having such a resurgence in his career.  But he's got a very good RB in Aaron Jones and in Jefferson, Addison, and Hockenson he's possibly got the 2nd best receiving corps in the league, right after the Bengals.

 

I did NOT have "4 QB from the 2018 Draft Class In Playoffs" on my Bingo Card

 

 

odd perception:

 

that receiver corps was there last year when the team was 7-10 (4-4 with Cousins).

 

Vikes haven't won 14 or more since 1998

 

Sure he has great receiving weapons--so does Burrows: isn't he also "elevated" by that crew? 

 

Darnold is not a game manager on that team.  

 

 

 

 

[GoBills808]

20 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

odd perception:

 

that receiver corps was there last year when the team was 7-10 (4-4 with Cousins).

 

Vikes haven't won 14 or more since 1998

 

Sure he has great receiving weapons--so does Burrows: isn't he also "elevated" by that crew? 

 

Darnold is not a game manager on that team.  

 

 

 

 

Jefferson missed half of last season

 

And Flores' defense is most responsible for their turnaround imo