MVP hype for Allen

[Big Blitz]

This is good to

 

 

[Goin Breakdown]

3 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

This is good to

 

 

THIS is what value means. All of this equates what an MVP is. 

[HappyDays]

3 hours ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

well then, that's a new development.

 

 

How do you feel about Ed Oliver for MVP?

[UKBillFan]

I know Kurt Warner brought up this argument before, but glad others are too. And Josh missing a game of snaps due to being benched in blowouts…

 

https://www.sportsgrid.com/nfl/video/josh-allen-leads-mvp-odds-over-lamar-jacksonamid-nfl-controversy

[Magox]

4 hours ago, Boatdrinks said:

Fortunately neither Kolar or Broussard has a vote. I don’t love some of the names on that list of 50, but I don’t believe nuance is lost on the majority. Particularly the longtime sportswriters. 

Broussard does have a vote and even though he is a Ravens fan, he pretty much indicated through his methodology that Allen will get his vote 

[Scott7975]

4 hours ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

he's about as anti-allen as people get

 

he's full lamar

 

He’s been an Allen guy most of the year. Acho has been one of the most reasonable media people with a vote on this all year. I’ve linked his stuff many times on this board. 
 

to be fair, I felt that kind of way about him last year but then he said the same stuff this year keeping his method the same and not changing for stats like the rest of the flip floppers so he changed my mind about him. 

Edited December 31, 2024 by Scott7975

[Ralonzo]

10 hours ago, Beck Water said:

This guy at SI is ripping on Spencer Brown as taking a "thinly veiled shot" at Lamar, though.  I don't see or hear a "shot".  
https://www.si.com/nfl/ravens/news/bills-spencer-brown-takes-shot-baltimore-ravens-lamar-jackson

 

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Saying that Allen had "every statistic" over Jackson, though? That's just flat-out untrue.

{proceeds to cherry-pick}

It's completely fair for Bills players and fans to advocate for their quarterback winning MVP, and he's certainly having an MVP-caliber season. If they're going to argue, though, they should at least get their facts straight.

What a bitchy little rant that was, get that reporter a couple Midol and a kombucha.

[strive_for_five_guy]

2 hours ago, Magox said:

Broussard does have a vote and even though he is a Ravens fan, he pretty much indicated through his methodology that Allen will get his vote 

Broussard has an NBA MVP vote, not NFL.  But if people like him are finally ceding to Allen, I’ve got faith the actual MVP voters will give Josh the majority vote.

[Kelly to Allen]

8 minutes ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

Broussard has an NBA MVP vote, not NFL.  But if people like him are finally ceding to Allen, I’ve got faith the actual MVP voters will give Josh the majority vote.

Broussaard pretty much said Allen is going to win it. In other words, ( I know many of the voters and it's over,it's Allen's turn).

 

So while I'm still concerned, he obviously wouldn't of said that if he didn't already know what the voters were thinking 

 

Here's what I'll say. Can we please get a specific methodology or criteria, maybe statistical thresholds or something for these accolades? We need objective criteria to follow, otherwise it's just being a fan and narrative for whatever agenda 

 

I mean all of this is just subjective, the precedent is constantly reset, there's no real rules. 

 

I really think we need to reevaluate how we pick the pro bowl, all pro, MVP, etc

 

This devolved into a " I'm louder so I win ***** show" and it's just not comprehensive for deciding legacies of the sport

Edited December 31, 2024 by Kelly to Allen

[Punch]

I think a big part of the backlash is a reaction to how many media members loudly declared Josh MVP during the stretch against KC, San Fran, LA and Detroit. Lamar's numbers were good enough that it was interpreted as disrespectful, especially considering how sensitive Lamar backers have been over the course of his career (in some cases, for good reason).

 

It also smacks somewhat of entitlement, though. Praise of one player isn't intended as disrespect toward another and Lamar sure as hell isnt the greatest QB to ever play the game as Harbaugh said last week.

 

This MVP result is going to leave a stink in its wake regardless of who wins. The NFL has reached a media saturation point where there are simply too many voices mouthing off baiting for clicks and views.

[strive_for_five_guy]

27 minutes ago, Punch said:

I think a big part of the backlash is a reaction to how many media members loudly declared Josh MVP during the stretch against KC, San Fran, LA and Detroit. Lamar's numbers were good enough that it was interpreted as disrespectful, especially considering how sensitive Lamar backers have been over the course of his career (in some cases, for good reason).

 

It also smacks somewhat of entitlement, though. Praise of one player isn't intended as disrespect toward another and Lamar sure as hell isnt the greatest QB to ever play the game as Harbaugh said last week.

 

This MVP result is going to leave a stink in its wake regardless of who wins. The NFL has reached a media saturation point where there are simply too many voices mouthing off baiting for clicks and views.

Just wait til we host the Ravens in the divisional round, and the debates/hype/etc. that will surround that matchup.

[GASabresIUFan]

 

[BananaB]

8 hours ago, Punch said:

I think a big part of the backlash is a reaction to how many media members loudly declared Josh MVP during the stretch against KC, San Fran, LA and Detroit. Lamar's numbers were good enough that it was interpreted as disrespectful, especially considering how sensitive Lamar backers have been over the course of his career (in some cases, for good reason).

 

It also smacks somewhat of entitlement, though. Praise of one player isn't intended as disrespect toward another and Lamar sure as hell isnt the greatest QB to ever play the game as Harbaugh said last week.

 

This MVP result is going to leave a stink in its wake regardless of who wins. The NFL has reached a media saturation point where there are simply too many voices mouthing off baiting for clicks and views.

Lamar winning last year was disrespectful. The media brought this ***** on themselves the minute they put him on the top after his D had 5 INTs against the 9ers. It turned this award into a joke. Now some of them back pedaling because the reason they gave him the award works against him this year. 

[Mr. WEO]

Why isn't Darnold MVP?  Fished out of another garbage can to lead the Vikes to 14-2 in the toughest division in the NFL.

 

[DJB]

 

Someone was looking for this the other day. I can’t remember who or in which thread but here it is 

[strive_for_five_guy]

36 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

Why isn't Darnold MVP?  Fished out of another garbage can to lead the Vikes to 14-2 in the toughest division in the NFL.

 

Would you trade Josh Allen for Sam Darnold?

[finn]

10 hours ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

Broussard has an NBA MVP vote, not NFL.  But if people like him are finally ceding to Allen, I’ve got faith the actual MVP voters will give Josh the majority vote.

The Jets game seems to have done the trick. It was like an "Ok, fine, whatever" moment for the fence-sitters and maybe even some Lamar supporters, from what I can gather from a short selection of the media blather (which is all I can stomach). Those two TD passes by Allen, along with that incredible (but for Allen routine) pass to Coleman that Coleman dropped and the bucket pass to Coleman that was called back, appear to have done the trick even for the "What have you done for me lately?" crowd.

[zow2]

35 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

Why isn't Darnold MVP?  Fished out of another garbage can to lead the Vikes to 14-2 in the toughest division in the NFL.

 

 

If he plays well and beats Detroit for the 1 seed, he certainly should be right there.  I personally think the media "anoints" the guys they think should be MVP from the first game.  The well known QB producers.  Then the betting lines follow.  Darnold didn't start getting hype until week 8 or so.  If he plays like this next season from the beginning he would be part of that.

 

I said at the time when the Bills clinched with 5 games remaining that it would hurt Allen.  To his credit he played monster games at LA and at Detroit.  Meanwhile Lamar, Burrow, Darnold, Goff, etc.. are playing meaningful games every week until the seasons end and it shows in the stats.   I do think Allen should also get massive credit for clinching that early, and sitting in 4th Qtrs as often as he does.  Clearly he's elevated this club to heights no one predicted.

 

Detroit and KC being 0-2 vs Bills and 29-1 vs everyone else is the final thing that swings everything Allen's way.  Those are 2 awesome wins and he made amazing plays.

[Magox]

11 hours ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

Broussard has an NBA MVP vote, not NFL.  But if people like him are finally ceding to Allen, I’ve got faith the actual MVP voters will give Josh the majority vote.

 

You're right, I must have misheard him say it on his show.

[finn]

42 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

Why isn't Darnold MVP?  Fished out of another garbage can to lead the Vikes to 14-2 in the toughest division in the NFL.

 

I have nothing against Lamar, Henry, or Saquon, but I'd like to see OPY go to Darnold. Too bad they tweaked the criteria for Comeback Player of the Year; he'd be the perfect candidate.