MVP hype for Allen

[GASabresIUFan]

On 12/30/2024 at 3:04 PM, Success said:

 

Am I missing something?  When did MVP become a "strictly stats" award?

 

There are multiple factors.  And the stats aren't lopsided.  

 

Like, 2 more TD's and 2 fewer INT's?  That's supposed to convince me?

 

Here is the most important stat

2023 - Balt 13-4 No. 1 Seed   Add Derek Henry, 2024 -Balt 11-5 No. 3 seed at best

2023 - Bills 11- 6 No. 2 Seed  Lose Top 2 receivers, 2024 - Bills 13-3 No. 2 Seed

 

Simply put, the Bills lost key players on offense (and Defense) and got better, while Baltimore added HOFer Derek Henry, who has had a great season, and got worse.  

 

Just for those interested.

2023 Lamar - 3678 yards passing 24 Tds, 7 ints, 821 yards rushing 5 Tds, 7 FL  - Total yards 4499, 29 TDs 

2023 Josh - 4306 yards passing 29 tds, 18 ints, 524 yards rushing 15 tds, 6 FL  - Total yards 4830, 44 TDs 

 

Not sure how Lamar was the MVP and Josh only 5th in the voting.  I guess record mattered last year.

Edited December 31, 2024 by GASabresIUFan

[Punch]

Charlie Kolar is the 3rd string TE for the Baltimore Ravens. It's no surprise he'd back his teammate but he chose to do so in an inflammatory way on social media. Reap what you sow.

[zow2]

Someone can link the segment later,  but on First Things First, Broussard broke down the MVP favorites by 4 categories and assigned points to them.  He said that's what he does for his NBA MVP vote.   Anyway,  Josh won with 9 points,  Lamar and Saquon each had 7.   Regarding historic precedent, I thought it was interesting when he said no one in the NBA who had 2-MVP's ever won a 3rd MVP until his team won a Championship.  Nick Wright made a pitch for Darnold as MVP if he wins the #1 seed next weekend.  

 

Individual Stats

Team Success

Supporting Cast

Historic Precedent

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 hour ago, stevewin said:

Posted it earlier in this thread - FYI this is the list of voters this year

 

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/heres-the-full-list-of-the-50-ap-awards-voters

 

Emmanuel Acho, FS1
Greg Auman, Fox Sports
Howard Balzer, PHNX radio
Jarrett Bell, USA Today
Dave Birkett, Detroit Free Press
Tom Brady, Fox Sports
Tedy Bruschi, ESPN
Vic Carucci, WGRZ radio
Mark Craig, Minneapolis Star Tribune
Tom Curran, NBC Sports Boston
Charles Davis, CBS Sports
Nate Davis, USA Today
Howard Deneroff, Westwood One
Tony Dungy, NBC Sports
Jori Epstein, Yahoo Sports
Boomer Esiason, CBS Sports
Doug Farrar, USA Today Sports Media
Mike Florio, Pro Football Talk
Reuben Frank, NBC Sports Philadelphia
Rich Gannon, SiriusXM
Jonathan Jones, CBS Sports
Lindsay Jones, The Ringer
Mike Jones, The Athletic
Clark Judge, Talk of Fame Network
Ira Kaufman, JoeBucsFan.com
Mina Kimes, ESPN
Peter King, NBC Sports
Pat Kirwan, SiriusXM
Jeff Legwold, ESPN
Jim Miller, SiriusXM
Sam Monson, Pro Football Focus
Bruce Murray, SiriusXM
Gary Myers, NFL author
Laura Okmin, Fox Sports
Dan Orlovsky, ESPN
Nick Pavlatos, SiriusXM
Dan Pompei, The Athletic
Nora Princiotti, The Ringer
Lorenzo Reyes, USA Today
Charles Robinson, Yahoo Sports
Dianna Russini, The Athletic
Mike Sando, The Athletic
Aaron Schatz, FTN Network
Adam Schein, CBS Sports
Tom Silverstein, Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel
Chris Simms, NBC Sports
Armando Salguero, Outkick.com
Mike Tirico, NBC Sports
Ben Volin, Boston Globe
Charean Williams, Pro Football Talk

 

We all know who Acho will be voting for don't we

 

[Simon]

7 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

 

We all know who Acho will be voting for don't we

 

 

I don't follow this stuff.

Who is he voting for?

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, Simon said:

 

I don't follow this stuff.

Who is he voting for?

he's about as anti-allen as people get

 

he's full lamar

 

[Simon]

Just now, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

he's about as anti-allen as people get

 

he's full lamar

 

 

Are you ever right?

About anything?

 

https://billswire.usatoday.com/2024/12/28/fox-sports-emmanuel-acho-buffalo-bills-josh-allen-mvp-2024-nfl/

[DaVinci]

I saw on GMFB That the last person to win the MVP and Win the Super Bowl was kurt Warner 20 years ago.Kyle Brandt seem to imply that its even a curse.

Edited December 30, 2024 by DaVinci

[GASabresIUFan]

1 minute ago, Simon said:

 

Are you ever right?

About anything?

 

https://billswire.usatoday.com/2024/12/28/fox-sports-emmanuel-acho-buffalo-bills-josh-allen-mvp-2024-nfl/

It's pretty simple, if you add Derek Henry and your teams gets worse, you aren't the MVP regardless of your stats.  

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

2 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

Are you ever right?

About anything?

 

https://billswire.usatoday.com/2024/12/28/fox-sports-emmanuel-acho-buffalo-bills-josh-allen-mvp-2024-nfl/

well then, that's a new development.

 

[zow2]

1 minute ago, Simon said:

 

Are you ever right?

About anything?

 

https://billswire.usatoday.com/2024/12/28/fox-sports-emmanuel-acho-buffalo-bills-josh-allen-mvp-2024-nfl/

 

I watch that show a few days per week.  Acho has been very pro-Allen all season.  The last couple weeks he's dialed it back because they run an MVP segment everyday and they need good debate.  

 

Acho is also very aware what it means historically to award someone 3 MVP's who has not done much in the playoffs.  He's not going in that direction.

[Simon]

1 minute ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

well then, that's a new development.

 

 

Maybe if you weren't so wrapped up in your self-created narratives you'd be right more often.

Or at least once.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

4 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

Maybe if you weren't so wrapped up in your self-created narratives you'd be right more often.

Or at least once.

thanks for the advice, I'll make sure to file it somewhere imporatant

 

[Simon]

1 minute ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

thanks for the advice, I'll make sure to file it somewhere imporatant

 

 

Here's some other advice you should consider.

[julian]

23 minutes ago, DaVinci said:

I saw on GMFB That the last person to win the MVP and Win the Super Bowl was kurt Warner 20 years ago.Kyle Brandt seem to imply that its even a curse.

It was actually Mahomes who did it last in his 50TD MVP season

[Kelly to Allen]

27 minutes ago, julian said:

It was actually Mahomes who did it last in his 50TD MVP season

 

Yeah mahomes did it in his historical post Tyreek 22 season 

[PrimeTime101]

4 hours ago, billieve420 said:

 

Barkley is going to get votes when he breaks the all time season rushing record next week. Definitely won't be unanimous and maybe closer than people think as award is week to week narrative. So see both Barkley breaking the record and Lamar putting up numbers next week to make it close.

Barkley will get votes.  If people think this is just about Josh and Lamar then they will be mistaken.   If people think JA has this by a ton... they will be even more sorely mistaken... 

[Billznut]

4 hours ago, Since1981 said:

I expect the 50 AP panel is smart enough to look at stats as a general compare. Having INT=TD is bad but say a 10% differential between player stats is just noise. 

 

2020 panel included:

• Peter King, NBC Sports

• Tony Dungy, NBC Sports

• Chris Mortensen, ESPN

• John Clayton, ESPN

• Jarrett Bell, USA Today

• Bob Glauber, Newsday

• Rich Gannon, CBS Sports

• Suzy Kolber, ESPN

• Adam Schein, CBS Sports

• Michael Strahan, Fox Sports

Why show a partial panel from 2020? Has nothing to do with this year. The panel of 50 MVP voters has already been listed on this site. Anybody can see who the 50 voters are NOW, which is what matters. 
 

The morning ESPN guys still believe in Allen which is nice. But Sunday night and Monday evening on ESPN it’s been mostly making a case for Lamar or it being very very close. And when they show the stats they never ever show total turnovers for both Allen and Lamar while last year Allen’s total turnovers were THE only narrative that apparently mattered to any talking head on tv. I think Allen will win the MVP, I think it’s going to be a pretty close vote unfortunately. And even worse I think a lot of tv talking heads and plenty of morons of social media will spend days if not weeks disparaging Allen’s win and that to me is the real shame. He will finally get what should be his finest individual accomplishment come true and there will be plenty of morons on ESPN and other outlets who will go into great detail of how Lamar was robbed. Count on it. 

[Simon]

2 minutes ago, Billznut said:

And even worse I think a lot of tv talking heads and plenty of morons of social media will spend days if not weeks disparaging Allen’s win and that to me is the real shame. He will finally get what should be his finest individual accomplishment come true and there will be plenty of morons on ESPN and other outlets who will go into great detail of how Lamar was robbed. Count on it. 

 

It's bad enough y'all care about these self-promoting carnival barkers, but do we really need to bring them in here too?

[Big Blitz]

The definitive final argument 

 

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The best argument you’ll read. 
 

He could also add - Derek Henry is going to rush for 1900 yards and is still a freak show.