MVP hype for Allen

[CincyBillsFan]

1 minute ago, Process said:

I can't get over them running a segment discussing Lamar Jackson being the most underappreciated QB in the league. He may be the most over appreciated player in NFL history. 

 

2 playoff wins in 7 years

2 40 TD seasons in 7 years

1 4000 yard passing season in 7 years 

Jackson has won the same number of MVP's as Mahomes while Burrow, Stafford & Allen have yet to win one.  There is no reasonable argument that can be made claiming Jackson is in any way "underappreciated".  It's ridiculous on its face.

 

 

[Simon]

If y'all want to debate the relative merits of Allen's vs Jackson's season, have at it.

But folks who continue to drag this pointless racial crap in here in an attempt to turn this place into the places you say you hate, well, those folks will be leaving.

[mjt328]

3 hours ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

We will ultimately find out when the votes are cast where Acho lands.  People can’t just glaze Josh nonstop when Lamar is actually putting up better numbers.  After Lamar’s performance on Wed, Acho acknowledged the race isn’t over yet, but also posted a video clarifying how the MVP is about which play is most valuable, not necessarily who has the best stats.  Whoever Acho and others vote for, they’re ultimately going to need to answer for that, so a measured approach is to show consideration for various perspectives.

 

I continue to believe if Josh and the team lock up the 2 seed tomorrow, barring a horrible day by Josh, he will end up winning MVP.  And he still has a decent shot to win it even with a bad day in a win tomorrow.

 

The main problem with EVERY SINGLE pro-Lamar Jackson argument is simply he won the 2023 MVP award based on complete opposite logic.

 

Jackson's statistics last year were totally average.  #9 in total touchdowns.  #15 in yards.  The reason he won MVP was because of his excellent performance in big games down the stretch and the way he solely carried his team to the best record in the AFC with limited surrounding weapons.  

 

This year, the guy who clearly fits that bill is Josh Allen.  Loses all of his top weapons, and arguably puts together the Bills best regular season yet.  Anyone who watches the games, knows that Patrick Mahomes has not been carrying his team.  And truthfully neither is Jackson.  His stats are heavily inflated due to the attention required to stop Derrick Henry.  

 

Yes, Jackson is a great player.  And his pure numbers are absolutely better than Allen this year.  But his numbers were significantly WORSE last year, and the voters went with other criteria to give him the award.  If stats had been the primary driver for last year's MVP, then Allen probably should have won and Dak Prescott should have been the runner-up.  And this year if we are back to making stats the biggest factor, maybe Joe Burrow deserves some heavy consideration as well.

 

It's not that Jackson's performance isn't MVP-worthy.  It's that consistency demands he SHOULD NOT win it this year.

[Chicken Boo]

11 hours ago, Kangaxx said:

Derrick Henry is far better than James Cook or Ray Davis. Two of ravens WRs have the highest amount of separation in the NFL. That's evident based on how they are wide open on so many plays. All of this information is easy to find. They are definitely not in similar situations.

 

Is that the player, the scheme or a mixture of both?  How do you think the threat of Lamar and Henry play into that particular stat? 

 

I highly doubt many would rather have Zay Flowers and Rashod Bateman over Khalil Shakir and Amari Cooper.  

Edited 8 hours ago by Chicken Boo

[Punch]

Suddenly, a ton of social media chatter that Joe Burrow is MVP, lol.

 

"What have you done for me lately?"

[GoBills808]

2 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

Is that the player, the scheme or a mixture of both?  How do you think the threat of Lamar and Henry play into that particular stat? 

 

I highly doubt many would rather have Zay Flowers and Rashod Bateman over Khalil Shakir and Amari Cooper.  

 Zay Flowers is a top10 WR in the league

[Chicken Boo]

11 hours ago, UKBillFan said:

 

Are you really being dismissive of the Ravens roster around Jackson and then trying to compare James Cook, as much as I like him, to Derrick Henry?

 

As for porous defenses, the Ravens have allowed an average of 330 yards per game (edit: total - 248 passing and 81 rushing). In comparison, the Bills have allowed an average of 347.7 yards per game (edit: total - 229.5 passing and 118.3 rushing). So one is clearly more porous than the other.

 

Yes.  Yes I am.  Henry is an all time great, but I'm talking here and now.  Cook is not the workhorse that Henry is, but he's every bit the threat to score on any play.  

 

A whopping 17 yards per game.  So clear.

2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

 Zay Flowers is a top10 WR in the league

 

He's not in my top-10 - and that's not a slight.  There's so much talent at the WR position. 

 

If you're 15th, you're still damn good. 

[NewEra]

2 hours ago, mjt328 said:

 

The main problem with EVERY SINGLE pro-Lamar Jackson argument is simply he won the 2023 MVP award based on complete opposite logic.

 

Jackson's statistics last year were totally average.  #9 in total touchdowns.  #15 in yards.  The reason he won MVP was because of his excellent performance in big games down the stretch and the way he solely carried his team to the best record in the AFC with limited surrounding weapons.  

 

This year, the guy who clearly fits that bill is Josh Allen.  Loses all of his top weapons, and arguably puts together the Bills best regular season yet.  Anyone who watches the games, knows that Patrick Mahomes has not been carrying his team.  And truthfully neither is Jackson.  His stats are heavily inflated due to the attention required to stop Derrick Henry.  

 

Yes, Jackson is a great player.  And his pure numbers are absolutely better than Allen this year.  But his numbers were significantly WORSE last year, and the voters went with other criteria to give him the award.  If stats had been the primary driver for last year's MVP, then Allen probably should have won and Dak Prescott should have been the runner-up.  And this year if we are back to making stats the biggest factor, maybe Joe Burrow deserves some heavy consideration as well.

 

It's not that Jackson's performance isn't MVP-worthy.  It's that consistency demands he SHOULD NOT win it this year.

💯 

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Warcodered]

7 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

Zac Taylor: also please, please don't fire me.

 

Bengals Ownership: So what I'm taking from this is Burrow shines brightest when provide him with as little help as possible on the OL and on defense.

 

Burrows Bones: *silent scream*

Edited 8 hours ago by Warcodered

[UKBillFan]

1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

He almost cost them the game with that touchdown, albeit it may have been a play call. If so Taylor almost cost them the game.

 

Let's see what the likes of Josh and Mahomes would do with that level of receiving talent as well.

1 minute ago, Warcodered said:

also please, please don't fire me.

 

Surely that makes it more likely. "We have the best player in the world... and have to rely on the Giants and the Jags to beat the Colts, the Browns and Jets to beat the Dolphins and the Chiefs, possibly second string, to defeat the Broncos in Denver, whilst we go and win in Pittsburgh, to reach the post season."

[GoBills808]

19 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

He wasn't even the best player on offense, that was Higgins if you ask me

[Goin Breakdown]

24 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

Take out Burrow and enter the next player to do something great and that's the next hot take by sports media. They're really making a circus about MVP. 

Edited 8 hours ago by Goin Breakdown

[transplantbillsfan]

Lamar is having a great year, but so is Allen. And the problem here is that any distance between Lamar and Josh interms of stats this year was far exceeded by the distance between them last year when Lamar won despite having significantly fewer TDs and yards. And the turnover conversation even from last year is ridiculous. 

 

Why does the national media completely ignore Jackson's serious fumbling issues???

 

I guess the only way I could understand it not being given to Josh is if he goes out and lays a complete egg tomorrow and then the following week. Even then, should probably still go to JA17

[GunnerBill]

54 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

Lamar is having a great year, but so is Allen. And the problem here is that any distance between Lamar and Josh interms of stats this year was far exceeded by the distance between them last year when Lamar won despite having significantly fewer TDs and yards. And the turnover conversation even from last year is ridiculous. 

 

Why does the national media completely ignore Jackson's serious fumbling issues???

 

I guess the only way I could understand it not being given to Josh is if he goes out and lays a complete egg tomorrow and then the following week. Even then, should probably still go to JA17

 

He probably doesn't play the following week. For Josh it comes down to don't lay an egg vs the Jets. Play better than last week, don't turn it over, win the game. That is probably enough.

[Low Positive]

Jake Browning went .500 with that roster last year.

[transplantbillsfan]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

He probably doesn't play the following week. For Josh it comes down to don't lay an egg vs the Jets. Play better than last week, don't turn it over, win the game. That is probably enough.

 

We have to assume a win tomorrow.

 

I'm sorry... it's just hard for me to assume that in a divisional game... no matter how bad the team.

[GunnerBill]

5 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

We have to assume a win tomorrow.

 

I'm sorry... it's just hard for me to assume that in a divisional game... no matter how bad the team.

 

True. Forgot the Ravens still have a shot at #2. 

 

If Baltimore ended up the #2 seed and the Bills are 12-5 then I think Lamar is properly in play. It would also need Allen to be well short of his best the last two games.