MVP hype for Allen

[LarryMadman]

2 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

Paul Pierce knows more football then the football “analysts”

 

 

Keyshawn says the numbers are there for Lamar, Eff you Key, this year Josh will have his 5th straight season of identical numbers to what Lamar is doing this year yet he has no MVPs. All these media Lamar pole smokers can kiss off!  

[zow2]

James Jones has backed Allen all season but i think I heard him say it's over.  There's nothing Allen can do this Sunday..... the MVP belongs to Lamar.   At least Acho who is a voter has not said that.

[Kelly to Allen]

23 minutes ago, zow2 said:

James Jones has backed Allen all season but i think I heard him say it's over.  There's nothing Allen can do this Sunday..... the MVP belongs to Lamar.   At least Acho who is a voter has not said that.

Truth will reveal itself in the playoffs. 

[Aussie Joe]

1 minute ago, Kelly to Allen said:

Truth will reveal itself in the playoffs. 

They vote in the regular season though 

[Buffalo Ballin]

This is hilarious.

 

Why is the B'More Raven's record NOT better than ours? Why is it 11-5?

-They have 1st Ballot HOF RB Derrick Henry, too.

- Their defense is tops?

 

Then why is our record better?

 

Y'know what? Lamar Jackson can keep his league MVP award. We're knocking them out of the playoffs.

 

 

Edited 16 hours ago by Buffalo Ballin

[Kelly to Allen]

3 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

They vote in the regular season though 

That's not what I'm talking about 

[Dr.Sack]

Imagine how unfair it will be that a guy can get 3 MVPs before winning 3 playoff games 

[SCBills]

This might be the most toxic MVP debate the NFL has ever seen.  
 

Much of it because there are two very deserving players.

 

Much of it also because of racial undertones and over the top narratives being pushed heavily by ESPN as they did Jokic/Embiid. 
 

It’s the same playbook.  
 

Just replace a Kendrick Perkins with someone like Ryan Clark. 
 

It went from being something fun, to “just give it to Lamar” so we don’t have to deal with the bs.  It’s beyond unfair to Josh Allen (and Lamar).. two guys who do things the right way and always give credit back to those around them. 
 

Josh Allen hasn’t gotten the coaching and defense around him that Mahomes has had to win multiple Championships.  He doesn’t have the HOF RB and league leaders in separation that Lamar has.  It just always feels like he’s having to do the most, and getting trashed when goalposts are moved on the MVP convo and being unable to get to the Super Bowl through no fault of his own.

 

Now more than ever, this Defense and coaching staff need to have his back this postseason.  Enough is enough.  And the only thing the organization around him can control is allowing him to lead this team and city to a Championship.

 

Then he will get the credit he deserves, no debates, no agenda driven narratives, just win and this toxic discourse goes away. 

[Kelly to Allen]

10 minutes ago, SCBills said:

This might be the most toxic MVP debate the NFL has ever seen.  
 

Much of it because there are two very deserving players.

 

Much of it also because of racial undertones and over the top narratives being pushed heavily by ESPN as they did Jokic/Embiid. 
 

It’s the same playbook.  
 

Just replace a Kendrick Perkins with someone like Ryan Clark. 
 

It went from being something fun, to “just give it to Lamar” so we don’t have to deal with the bs.  It’s beyond unfair to Josh Allen (and Lamar).. two guys who do things the right way and always give credit back to those around them. 
 

Josh Allen hasn’t gotten the coaching and defense around him that Mahomes has had to win multiple Championships.  He doesn’t have the HOF RB and league leaders in separation that Lamar has.  It just always feels like he’s having to do the most, and getting trashed when goalposts are moved on the MVP convo and being unable to get to the Super Bowl through no fault of his own.

 

Now more than ever, this Defense and coaching staff need to have his back this postseason.  Enough is enough.  And the only thing the organization around him can control is allowing him to lead this team and city to a Championship.

 

Then he will get the credit he deserves, no debates, no agenda driven narratives, just win and this toxic discourse goes away. 

 

 

The powers that be are going to make it a co - MVP situation imo. To help chill out the toxic narratives and incendiary rhetoric 

Edited 14 hours ago by Kelly to Allen

[BananaB]

6 hours ago, Fan in Chicago said:

Random talking head said something utterly stupid. He thinks Josh will see this season as a success with MVP but a playoff loss?? What utter and total ********* 

He obviously never watched a Josh Allen interview before

[Process]

I can't 🤣🤣 This will be Allen's first and only MVP. There is no way Disney lets him get another one.

 

Most pathetic **** I've ever seen.

 

Edited 14 hours ago by Process

[zow2]

20 minutes ago, Kelly to Allen said:

 

 

The powers that be are going to make it a co - MVP situation imo. To help chill out the toxic narratives and incendiary rhetoric 

 

That's not happening.  But if they find a reason to not give it to Allen i think they bypass Lamar as well and award Saquon, Goff or even Darnold.  That would shut everyone up I think. 

 

One thing for sure, Allen has to hold serve this weekend and win the game.

[SCBills]

13 minutes ago, Process said:

I can't 🤣🤣 This will be Allen's first and only MVP. There is no way Disney lets him get another one.

 

 

We’re about five seconds away from

Ryan Clark declaring that Josh Allen isn’t even the best player on his team.  

[BigDingus]

Here's the problem with this debate.

 

1) Lamar is absolutely deserving of MVP & definitely playing better than Allen

 

2) Lamar was absolutely NOT deserving of MVP last year & was definitely outplayed by Allen

 

3) Lamar is always treated like some victim who never gets any credit, leading to people making personal attacks against his competitors in order to defend him.

 

And it's number 3 that bothers me the most. I'm so sick of people saying "is Lamar the most underappreciated/disrespected QB ever?" despite the fact that he was voted MVP TWICE already! Do they forget that their peers in the media vote for MVP & chose Lamar as MVP over Allen? Did they forget that Lamar's peers voted him as a better player than Allen on the NFL Top 100 list?

 

Most underrated or most disrespected? Was Lamar the one who was voted most overrated player before the season? Was the media sharing stories about an anonymous GM saying Lamar was the most overrated player in the league? Wait, that was Josh Allen.

 

Then you have preseason expectations. Everyone was predicting the Ravens to be even better this year after adding Derek Henry. Meanwhile, they predicted the Bills would finish 2nd or possibly even 3rd in their own division behind the Jets & Dolphins!

 

Yet despite all that, Lamar's team has a worse record than they did last season, and Allen's has the 2nd best record in the AFC. He's doing more with less, regardless of how great Lamar is playing.

 

So does Lamar "deserve" MVP? Sure, he's playing at an MVP level. But is Allen the most valuable player to his team? DEFINITELY.

Edited 14 hours ago by BigDingus

[H2o]

On top of everything being stated here about Lamar and Josh, let's look at the defense behind both. 

 

Ravens - #14 overall total defense, #29 pass defense, #1 rush defense, #11 scoring defense, #13 Red Zone defense, #20 3rd Down defense

 

Bills - #23 overall total defense, #25 pass defense, #14 rush defense, #13 scoring defense, #18 Red Zone defense, #28 3rd Down defense (tied with 3 others so it's objectively between #28-#31, the only team worse is the Panthers)

 

The Ravens also lead the league in sacks with 52 where we are 21st with 34. That is likely to change a bit this weekend because the Ravens have already played their 16th game, but we're still 18 behind them as a team. 

 

I mention all of this to show that Josh has to do more for his team to win than Lamar does, and the Bills have the better record with wins against the two best teams in the NFL on his resume. 

Edited 13 hours ago by H2o

[zow2]

Lamar's last 3 games against the Giants, Steelers and Houston have been excellent,  but they are not better than Allen's big National TV games against KC, SF, LAR and Det where he did all sorts of "alien" stuff.  

 

The game vs New England in the freezing cold, where the Bills offense struggled seems to have flipped the entire script, even though Buffalo won.  I don't know, it's all very strange the way the Loudest voices are screaming for Lamar and everyone has sort of gone quiet about Allen.

[Doc Brown]

57 minutes ago, Process said:

I can't 🤣🤣 This will be Allen's first and only MVP. There is no way Disney lets him get another one.

 

Most pathetic **** I've ever seen.

 

You wonder what the conversation would be if Josh Allen was a different color.

[Goin Breakdown]

1 hour ago, SCBills said:

We’re about five seconds away from

Ryan Clark declaring that Josh Allen isn’t even the best player on his team.  

lol. Lamar the 2x MVP in the most underappreciated QB? STHU with that bull crap. I'm getting sick of reading or hearing the media say this crap. 

[BillytheKid]

19 hours ago, Punch said:

The odds are shifting based in part on opinions publicly offered by the media talking heads, some of whom are MVP voters. I think Allen should win and very well may, but the odds aren't a true predictor and the probability you're extrapolating isn't realistic or mathematically sound. Even if Allen has the better odds at season's end, the voters can still vote for Lamar, that isn't meant to be provocative, it's common sense.

 

Vegas betting odds are designed to draw the most betting dollars, not accurately predict an outcome. I hope Allen wins, but its most certainly 50-50 right now in the minds of voters and all the headlines are hyperbolically calling Lamar's season an "historic run to MVP".

Brother, I’m a professional sports handicapper. For over 30 years. I know more than anyone what odds are for and how the Sportsbooks use them. 
 

Many people that think they know, actually don’t and spout off myths that they have been told by other people. 
 

With that said that has nothing to do with what I am talking about. 
 

I’m telling you straight facts that whoever has been the odds on favorite to win the MVP at the odds Allen is at right now has won it every time in the recent NFL age. 
 

So if you want to go against those facts that’s fine but it isn’t based on opinion or what someone feels or how they think. It’s a fact that based on Allen’s odds right now every other person with those same odds has won it. 
 

That is all I am saying. 

[Process]

1 minute ago, Goin Breakdown said:

lol. Lamar the 2x MVP in the most underappreciated QB? STHU with that bull crap. I'm getting sick of reading or hearing the media say this crap. 

2 playoff wins in 7 years and he's the most underappreciated QB in the NFL. 

 

They need to move these shows to the BET network and shut ESPN down.