MVP hype for Allen

[DapperCam]

5 minutes ago, zow2 said:

RG3 was Lamar’s backup for a season or two.  They are pretty tight I think.  

 

I just don’t get how Lamar got all the national accolades for scoring 5 TDs vs the Giants.  On the same day as Allen defeated the Lions, a much tougher opponent.  Those games were not even in stature but they somehow pulled Lamar closer to Allen in the minds of media. Since that day, all the momentum has swung to LJ. 

Then Lamar's defense pitches a shutout on Christmas (and his RB gets a buck fifty on the ground), and somehow all of the talk is how he was the star of the game and he's caught up in the MVP race?

It is almost identical to the 49ers game last year where Lamar "clinched" the MVP (because narratives), when he did very little impressive and his defense got FIVE interceptions. FIVE! They were by far the reason the Ravens won that game, not Lamar at all.

What I've learned is, if you have an okay game where you do whats necessary and your defense pitches a shutout or gets 5 interceptions then that is an MVP defining performance somehow. Makes no sense to me at all! Most QBs could have won those games with the performances on defense.

[The Wiz]

13 minutes ago, zow2 said:

RG3 was Lamar’s backup for a season or two.  They are pretty tight I think.  

 

I just don’t get how Lamar got all the national accolades for scoring 5 TDs vs the Giants.  On the same day as Allen defeated the Lions, a much tougher opponent.  Those games were not even in stature but they somehow pulled Lamar closer to Allen in the minds of media. Since that day, all the momentum has swung to LJ. 

Allen still won player of the week though.  National media and people that watch the games are different.  I feel like most of the media just get the condensed version of the game and say "ok, no turnovers and they made a few good throws", then they check the TD/INT ratio.  Then they move on.  They get handed the script they need to spew to anyone that will still listen and give one guy the converse of the situation.

 

Their are people like Keyshawn who just hates the bills and will never give Allen credit saying that he doesn't do anything in the playoffs and Lamar is a better qb.

 

Call that what you will but that basically just means he has no credit to what he says to me.

[Big Blitz]

 

[The Wiz]

5 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

*narrator/Morgan Freeman voice*: "He did not"

 

Edited December 27, 2024 by The Wiz

[Dr.Sack]

Aaron Rodgers is MVP…change my mind…

[Scott7975]

10 hours ago, Punch said:

I do think it's close to deadlocked overall based on the overwhelming media swing toward Lamar after last night's game, but I didn't say its 50-50 in the minds of every single voter.

 

If Josh has a statistically mediocre game on Sunday (regardless of the outcome) the odds will shift to Lamar. He needs to play well and end the season on a high note.

 

The problem is that Allen isnt likely to have a good statistical game in the weather on Sunday. He likely wont even be playing in the final week either.

[thronethinker]

Do you all think that possibly the Media has to have a talking point every day and it was always set up to be this way in the MVP race?

[DJB]

8 hours ago, The Wiz said:

Before throwing anything out like that, take it into context.  These guys live moment to moment with their praise and hate.  It's what drives the media, their content and their cashflow.  They are paid to flipflop at any and every chance they get.  Hell, the Chiefs are 14-1 and people are talking bad about Mahomes (rightfully so since it's been his worst year in a long time).  But now, they have the #1 seed and "oh he's been playing without his #1 WR and #1RB for the full season so maybe we should have a little more respect for what he has done"

Just take it all with a grain of salt.  It means nothing in the long run.

 

 

EDIT:

And I will say, it's really interesting seeing/hearing all of these guys on their tv shows vs their podcasts.  Everyone hates Nick Wright for what he has said about Allen and the Bills over the years but not many listen to his pods is my guess because he usually gives a lot of credit to Allen on them.

 

If you think RG3 would actually vote for Josh I have some tropical island property to sell you just outside of Rochester 

[Fan in Chicago]

7 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

 

Random talking head said something utterly stupid. He thinks Josh will see this season as a success with MVP but a playoff loss?? What utter and total ********* 

[Gugny]

5 hours ago, Dr.Sack said:

Aaron Rodgers is MVP…change my mind…

Most Vaccinated Player? 

[Dr.Sack]

4 minutes ago, Gugny said:

Most Vaccinated Player? 

Most Vocal Player

[GolfandBills]

8 hours ago, The Wiz said:

Allen still won player of the week though.  National media and people that watch the games are different.  I feel like most of the media just get the condensed version of the game and say "ok, no turnovers and they made a few good throws", then they check the TD/INT ratio.  Then they move on.  They get handed the script they need to spew to anyone that will still listen and give one guy the converse of the situation.

 

Their are people like Keyshawn who just hates the bills and will never give Allen credit saying that he doesn't do anything in the playoffs and Lamar is a better qb.

 

Call that what you will but that basically just means he has no credit to what he says to me.

He’s most definitely in the conversation… Josh plays Sunday like he did last week Lamar will probably be the favorite to win it.  

[Big Blitz]

Paul Pierce knows more football then the football “analysts”

 

 

[zow2]

The award isn't named the "Lamar Jackson annual MVP award"

 

I do think the voters have Lamar fatigue and they are going in a different direction this season.  If Josh does not win it, i believe the award will go to Saquon or Goff... or maybe even Darnold if they earn the 1 seed.  He would certainly be deserving with that accomplishment.

 

The voters can point to Baltimore having 5 losses and Derrick Henry having a phenomenal season as reasons to go in a different direction and not be slammed.

 

 

[Blank Stare]

1 hour ago, Big Blitz said:

Paul Pierce knows more football then the football “analysts”

 

 

Keyshawn is such a douche. Always a Bills hater. 

[Gregg]

1 hour ago, Big Blitz said:

Paul Pierce knows more football then the football “analysts”

 

 

 

I am not comparing him to Henry because he is an all time great and future HOF, but Allen does have Cook helping him on offense. Next to Allen Cook is the Bills best player on offense.

Edited December 27, 2024 by Gregg

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

Allen is going to possibly lose the MVP because the coaching staff decided to not put the players in the best position to win a game. They saved their best stuff as Allen alluded to. Kind of fullish IMO when you have a QB that tends to treat every play like it is the 4th quarter of the Super Bowl. Now he is banged up and coming off one of his worst games of the season.

[HappyDays]

25 minutes ago, Gregg said:

 

I am not comparing him to Henry because he is an all time great and future HOF, but Allen does have Cook helping him on offense. Next to Allen Cook is the Bills best player on offense.

 

When Cook has less than 100 rushing yards the Bills are 7-3. When Henry has less than 100 rushing yards the Ravens are 3-5.

[mjt328]

We can argue about who deserves the award all we want, but Josh Allen almost certainly lost the MVP vote last week against the Patriots.

 

As I've been saying all along... the vote is all about narratives.  The sports media can't remember what they said yesterday.  Much less two weeks ago.  No matter how much they gushed after the Lions game and said the race was over, it all comes down to how they feel next Monday after the final game of the regular season.  All the vibes have been shifting to Lamar Jackson over the last several days, and there isn't much our guy can do at this point to change that.

 

Allen likely gets three more quarters in the rain against the Jets to prove his case in the box score.  Once the #2 seed is in the bag, he's sitting the rest of the regular season (as he should).  Less than 3-4 touchdowns and it's probably over.  Turn the ball over even once and it's probably over.  If the offense struggles at all to move or score, then it's probably over.  Because Jackson will get Week 18 to run up his stats against the Browns, while the Ravens lock up the AFC North.

 

[JP51]

3 hours ago, Fan in Chicago said:

Random talking head said something utterly stupid. He thinks Josh will see this season as a success with MVP but a playoff loss?? What utter and total ********* 

All this focus on MVP, I really think he wishes it would just go away and focus on winning the SB... MVP or not he knows that is the ultimate measure...