MVP hype for Allen

[boater]

I see lots of memes comparing statistics of Allen and Jackson. They are off the mark. That is not the criteria of the MVP award. The criteria is what player is "most valuable" to their team.

 

Allen took the no-name roster of the Bills to 12-3, he elevated people around him.

 

Jackson took a stout Ravens roster to 10-5 (before yesterday's game). Tyrod Taylor would look good in Baltimore.

 

Allen is more to Bills, than Jackson is to Ravens.

[Kelly to Allen]

3 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Sunday is still a must-win to secure #2 seed. But I really get the sense there is a push to deny Allen the recognition of an MVP award by over-inflating Jackson's accomplishments and diminishing Allen's. Even the yard stick changes ever year away from Josh and towards Jackson. One year stats don't matter. The next they do.

Unless there's a precedent being followed anyone in the media can come up with whatever narrative and give the MVP to anyone. One could argue it should be Chris Jones with 5 sacks lol. Nick wright literally suggested it....

 

And because massive precedent was broken last year, and there's no criteria or guidelines for these accolades like MVP or the pro bowl etc, I have no clue what the voters will decide. 

 

Here's what I do know. If Allen doesn't win it this year, it's because they obviously don't want him to get the recognition. Ppl can get upset or try to be nice or whatever. Ppl can be cowards and say " oh I love both QBs, can't we just enjoy both "like Aaron Quinn is doing from cover 1.

 

If he doesn't get the award this year , they don't want him to get it. We don't need to try to read between the lines or pretend we don't understand ...I'm fine with it because the truth always reveals itself in sports regardless of the narratives ppl want to spin. And I'm looking forward to Lamar coming to buffalo and we're going to see who's the best QB. I'm okay with whatever the results are. 

 

I know which QB is going to show up and I'll leave it at that 

 

 

 

Edited 16 hours ago by Kelly to Allen

[SCBills]

Love that we have to prepare ourselves for the possibility of Lamar MV3 after a game where his Defense held a playoff team to zero offensive points.  ….. ZERO

 

Im not saying Lamar doesn’t deserve to be in the debate, because if we’re being honest… Allen’s biggest issue is that he just has more bad/meh games in the regular season than Lamar and Pat do.  
 

Take away one of the Houston, Baltimore, New England games and Josh is the runaway MVP still.   But every year, he has 3-4 of these games.  
 

Lamar and Pat don’t have but 1 or 2.

 

Its part of why we haven’t gotten a 1 seed and its part of why Lamar keeps winning regular season awards. 
 

JA is the MVP.  And I’d still be grossed out if he lost it, but I know this… he better have a game on Sunday…

[Kelly to Allen]

3 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Love that we have to prepare ourselves for the possibility of Lamar MV3 after a game where his Defense held a playoff team to zero offensive points.  ….. ZERO

 

Im not saying Lamar doesn’t deserve to be in the debate, because if we’re being honest… Allen’s biggest issue is that he just has more bad/meh games in the regular season than Lamar and Pat do.  
 

Take away one of the Houston, Baltimore, New England games and Josh is the runaway MVP still.   But every year, he has 3-4 of these games.  
 

Lamar and Pat don’t have but 1 or 2.

 

Its part of why we haven’t gotten a 1 seed and its part of why Lamar keeps winning regular season awards. 
 

JA is the MVP.  And I’d still be grossed out if he lost it, but I know this… he better have a game on Sunday…

 

 

The truth will come out in the playoffs. It's why sports is pure and great for the soul 

Edited 16 hours ago by Kelly to Allen

[Process]

6 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Love that we have to prepare ourselves for the possibility of Lamar MV3 after a game where his Defense held a playoff team to zero offensive points.  ….. ZERO

 

Im not saying Lamar doesn’t deserve to be in the debate, because if we’re being honest… Allen’s biggest issue is that he just has more bad/meh games in the regular season than Lamar and Pat do.  
 

Take away one of the Houston, Baltimore, New England games and Josh is the runaway MVP still.   But every year, he has 3-4 of these games.  
 

Lamar and Pat don’t have but 1 or 2.

 

Its part of why we haven’t gotten a 1 seed and its part of why Lamar keeps winning regular season awards. 
 

JA is the MVP.  And I’d still be grossed out if he lost it, but I know this… he better have a game on Sunday…

I mean Mahomes was awful the entire first half of this season and threw picks in 7 straight games. QB play is not why we didn't get the 1 seed this year. 

Edited 16 hours ago by Process

[Kelly to Allen]

1 minute ago, Process said:

I mean Mahomes was awful the entire first half of this season and threw picks in 7 straight games. 

 

Stop being rational and making sense 

[DapperCam]

11 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Love that we have to prepare ourselves for the possibility of Lamar MV3 after a game where his Defense held a playoff team to zero offensive points.  ….. ZERO

 

Im not saying Lamar doesn’t deserve to be in the debate, because if we’re being honest… Allen’s biggest issue is that he just has more bad/meh games in the regular season than Lamar and Pat do.  
 

Take away one of the Houston, Baltimore, New England games and Josh is the runaway MVP still.   But every year, he has 3-4 of these games.  
 

Lamar and Pat don’t have but 1 or 2.

 

Its part of why we haven’t gotten a 1 seed and its part of why Lamar keeps winning regular season awards. 
 

JA is the MVP.  And I’d still be grossed out if he lost it, but I know this… he better have a game on Sunday…

Not only did his defense pitch a shutout, his HOF RB ran for a buck fifty, including over 80 yards and a TD in the first quarter.

That is playing the game on easy mode, and any game manager QB could win that game by multiple scores.

 

I’m not saying Lamar is a game manager, but a game like that shouldn’t be some major bullet point on his MVP resume.

Edited 16 hours ago by DapperCam

[Success]

Jackson deserves an MVP w/ this play this year - but he doesn't deserve 3 MVP's for his career to date, with no title or even SB appearance yet.

 

That absolutely factors into this equation.  

 

[Kelly to Allen]

2 minutes ago, Success said:

Jackson deserves an MVP w/ this play this year - but he doesn't deserve 3 MVP's for his career to date, with no title or even SB appearance yet.

 

That absolutely factors into this equation.  

 

 

The media doesn't care. They threw those qualifiers out last year. 

[BillytheKid]

2 hours ago, boater said:

I see lots of memes comparing statistics of Allen and Jackson. They are off the mark. That is not the criteria of the MVP award. The criteria is what player is "most valuable" to their team.

 

Allen took the no-name roster of the Bills to 12-3, he elevated people around him.

 

Jackson took a stout Ravens roster to 10-5 (before yesterday's game). Tyrod Taylor would look good in Baltimore.

 

Allen is more to Bills, than Jackson is to Ravens.

If you look at advanced stats Allen is number 1 Qb in the NFL with the highest EPA which is a far more accurate stat than just total yards and all of those numbers. 
 

Lamar is number 2 though. 

[Goin Breakdown]

When do we know?  Isn't it the week

before the SB?  Last year I remember someone saying that voting happens a lot earlier though. Not sure how true that is. 

[JESSEFEFFER]

14 hours ago, zow2 said:

 

True, and yet somehow Lamar is #1 with a gaudy 121.6 QB rating while Allen is way down at #10 with a 101.2 rating.  I don’t know if voters will factor in the crappy late season Orchard Park weather or the Derrick Henry affect on Lamar’s passing numbers 

I don't care whether a TD is by running or passing but the NFL's passer rating formula cares.   Total QBR is a better measure, imo, and they have been trading places at the top of that ranking all season long. Elo,  DVOA whatever.  I would expect Aaron Schatz to vote for Lamar though as that would be consistent with his lone vote for Josh last year.

[BillytheKid]

Here is an article from just last week. Interesting on this exact topic. 
 

https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-executives-vote-on-2024-nfl-season-awards

 

NFL GMs, other executives vote on 2024 season awards: Who wins MVP? Offensive Rookie of the Year?
 

My annual early awards survey was completed this week by high-ranking executives from 27 NFL teams, including 17 general managers. All 27 individuals participated on the condition of anonymity for competitive reasons and to provide an honest assessment.

Who are the big winners in seven notable categories? Here's a rundown, with help from statistics compiled by NFL Media researcher Zak Koeppel.

 

Most Valuable Player

Josh Allen

Buffalo Bills · QB

Allen was the runaway winner, receiving a whopping 22 of 27 votes. Remember all the offseason talk about whether Allen and the Bills offense would struggle to replace Stefon Diggs, who was traded to Houston in April? Instead, Buffalo is averaging more points (31.8 per game) and yards per play (6.2) with a better red-zone TD percentage (68.9%) and fewer giveaways (0.5 per game) than a year ago, and Allen has accounted for 37 total touchdowns (tied with Lamar Jackson and Joe Burrow for the NFL lead). His last three games have been virtually unprecedented: 14 total touchdowns, no turnovers and no sacks taken. With five more passing touchdowns, Allen would join Cam Newton as the only players in NFL history to throw at least 30 TDs and run for at least 10 in the same season; Newton was the nearly unanimous NFL MVP in 2015. And the Bills are 11-3 after Sunday’s shootout win at Detroit.

 

Jackson and Eagles running back Saquon Barkley each received two votes. Burrowreceived one.

 

[Big Turk]

Hilarious that national media is going crazy about Jackson having 43 TDs on the season as of that's some huge accomplishment nobody has ever done but they don't even realize that it's one less than Allen has AVERAGED over the last 4 seasons.

 

It's so maddening to see Jackson constantly being hyped up while everything Allen has done is constantly being downplayed.

[C.Biscuit97]

On 12/24/2024 at 1:53 PM, CincyBillsFan said:

I wasn't pulling down Jackson here.  I was simply pointing out that if Jackson had gone down in the preseason the Ravens with one of the best RB's in the NFL could have gotten by.  After all Tennessee was a regular playoff participant with Tannyhil thanks in no small part to King Henry.  Allen goes down who does the Bills O fall back on?

 

 

Those titans teams had AJ Brown and good defense. This ravens D has been bad most of the year. Henry was also though to be on the downside of his career before he went to Baltimore where Gus Edwards had 800 rushing yards and 13 tds the year before. 
 

you really think there won’t be a major drop off from Jackson to Josh Johnson? Jackson has a lot to prove in the playoffs but this board hates to give him credit for how much of a game changer he is. He’s a top 5 qb and if any team loses a top 5 qb, it would be a major lose. And considering the Ravens win more than 70% of his starts and have a losing record when he doesn’t, it has been proven out.

[Big Turk]

1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Those titans teams had AJ Brown and good defense. This ravens D has been bad most of the year. Henry was also though to be on the downside of his career before he went to Baltimore where Gus Edwards had 800 rushing yards and 13 tds the year before. 
 

you really think there won’t be a major drop off from Jackson to Josh Johnson? Jackson has a lot to prove in the playoffs but this board hates to give him credit for how much of a game changer he is. He’s a top 5 qb and if any team loses a top 5 qb, it would be a major lose. And considering the Ravens win more than 70% of his starts and have a losing record when he doesn’t, it has been proven out.

 

It would be a major loss. But they still won games even with Tyler Huntley at QB. They would be a 8-9 or 9-8 team without Jackson most likely.

 

Without Allen the Bills would be drafting in the top 5.

 

That's the difference.

 

 

[C.Biscuit97]

1 hour ago, Process said:

I mean Mahomes was awful the entire first half of this season and threw picks in 7 straight games. QB play is not why we didn't get the 1 seed this year. 

BS. How many qbs have a 14-1 record missing their top 2 WRs, top rb, and their OT situation? Their defense is vastly improved but very few qbs are functioning in that offense. It’s been a garbage group most of the year. Like last year. And yet, Mahomes just keeps winning. 
 

Mahomes is in the Brady winning every year stage. Join with garbage around you and coast through the regular season. Stats don’t matter anymore. Just winning.

[Rich Stadium Original]

14 hours ago, Big Turk said:

 

When you are throwing to college wide open receivers it makes it a lot easier.

On GMFB this morning, Schrager was just drooling over Jackson..his choice for MVP as he spouted off all his season stats.

He commented on what a beautiful throw it was to Andrews on a play where he was rolling to his right.

If it was the TD pass he was referring to, it was a designed half roll, and a simple short toss to Andrews who didn't have anyone within 10 yards of him.

[zow2]

8 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

Hilarious that national media is going crazy about Jackson having 43 TDs on the season as of that's some huge accomplishment nobody has ever done but they don't even realize that it's one less than Allen has AVERAGED over the last 4 seasons.

 

It's so maddening to see Jackson constantly being hyped up while everything Allen has done is constantly being downplayed.

 

As my teenage son tells me....the glazing of Lamar is heavy this week.

[DapperCam]

7 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Those titans teams had AJ Brown and good defense. This ravens D has been bad most of the year. Henry was also though to be on the downside of his career before he went to Baltimore where Gus Edwards had 800 rushing yards and 13 tds the year before. 
 

you really think there won’t be a major drop off from Jackson to Josh Johnson? Jackson has a lot to prove in the playoffs but this board hates to give him credit for how much of a game changer he is. He’s a top 5 qb and if any team loses a top 5 qb, it would be a major lose. And considering the Ravens win more than 70% of his starts and have a losing record when he doesn’t, it has been proven out.

6 out of the past 7 games the Ravens defense has played excellent (the one outlier being that crazy Bengals shoot out). I haven't checked (mostly because I don't know how), but they must be a top 5 scoring defense in that time span. I think the "Ravens have a bad defense" narrative should be put away, it hasn't been true for almost 2 months.