MVP hype for Allen

[notpolian]

Unlike some I do not care about MVP.  Lombardi is 100% what I care about.  But with the signature lateral play last night, if the Bills come close to winning out, he gets it.

[Gregg]

1 minute ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

 

yet somehow every time I watch the Bengals, he's making mistakes

 

I don't get how he has that stat line

 

I don't get how the Bengals are 4-8 with Burrow putting up those numbers.

[Warriorspikes51]

Just now, Gregg said:

 

I don't get how the Bengals are 4-8 with Burrow putting up those numbers.

their defense is somehow horrific apparently 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

6 minutes ago, Gregg said:

 

I don't get how the Bengals are 4-8 with Burrow putting up those numbers.

Defense is horrendous…they fell off a cliff.  They’re in the mix with Carolina and Jax for worst defense in the league 

 

Burrow is pretty much the perfect argument for why wins should matter for mvp…yea he’s got great numbers but he has to throw all game every game because their defense can’t stop anyone

 

The Bills are blowing people out and running out the second half pretty often…it’s apples and oranges comparing those two guys stats 

Edited December 2 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[BillsFan130]

5 minutes ago, Gregg said:

If the Bengals weren't having a crap season at 4-8, I would have put Burrow in the conversation for MVP. 3,337 yards passing with 30 TD's and 5 INT's.

30 TDs with 5 INTs and the bengals are 4-8. That's absolutely wild to think 

[Big Turk]

Allen is now -225 to win MVP with Barkley 2nd at +425.  Goff and La"Mew" are both +1100...essentially it is Allen's to lose at this point.

 

Back to back games on National TV in front of the whole country with MVP moments...gonna be hard to take it away from him.

Edited December 2 by Big Turk

[zow2]

17 minutes ago, stevewin said:

You and I know that - and many knowledgable people in the media - my concern is more the voters who might jump on an alternative vote

 

Acho on his show this morning says it's Allen's to lose, and he's an MVP voter.  He's just amazed that Josh was supposed to have no weapons and he's throwing TD's to unheralded players, limiting mistakes and winning games while touching the ball on every play.  BUT, he says if Barkley breaks the record, he will have a legit chance to take the award away from Allen.

 

The other guys on the show say Allen is easily the favorite, while Shady has to lean towards his Eagles and the RB position.

[transplantbillsfan]

6 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

I know why it's on.... @transplantbillsfan didn't start his thread in week 2 guaranteeing us all it would happen. That thread was an annual plague on all our houses.

[strive_for_five_guy]

25 minutes ago, zow2 said:

 

Acho on his show this morning says it's Allen's to lose, and he's an MVP voter.  He's just amazed that Josh was supposed to have no weapons and he's throwing TD's to unheralded players, limiting mistakes and winning games while touching the ball on every play.  BUT, he says if Barkley breaks the record, he will have a legit chance to take the award away from Allen.

 

The other guys on the show say Allen is easily the favorite, while Shady has to lean towards his Eagles and the RB position.

I didn’t realize it, but Vic Carucci is an MVP voter too.  After last night’s game, he essentially confirmed he would vote for Allen at this moment too.

[Rigotz]

1 hour ago, Gregg said:

 

I don't get how the Bengals are 4-8 with Burrow putting up those numbers.

 

When you give up a touchdown on every drive, you get the ball back a lot.

[Boatdrinks]

1 hour ago, Gregg said:

 

I don't get how the Bengals are 4-8 with Burrow putting up those numbers.

Most points allowed in the Conference. 

[Logic]

If CMC didn't win MVP last year, it's hard to imagine Barkley winning it this year.

A running back hasn't won MVP since 2012. It would absolutely be Allen's luck for the MVP voters to somehow, for some reason, decide that THIS was the year to break that streak.

All of that said...I don't think it'll happen. I think it's Josh's year. Beating the Chiefs and having an "MVP moment" on 4th and 2, then coming back in the VERY NEXT GAME and having ANOTHER "MVP moment" with the NFL Play of the Year...I think it's Josh's award to lose right now. So long as he keeps generally playing well and the Bills wind up the one, two or three seed (and the Steelers have a tough schedule to close out the year, so I think it'll more than likely be the one or the two), it is indeed Josh's award to lose right now.

[Comebackkid]

https://youtu.be/ej_ykH-YC6w?feature=shared

 

pretty good argument from stephen A

[Mat68]

Play clean and it is his.  He has really found himself this year.  They are making scoring 30 look pretty easy.  In a league where it’s clearly not.  

[Captain Hindsight]

2 hours ago, Gregg said:

 

I don't get how the Bengals are 4-8 with Burrow putting up those numbers.

Because their opponents are playing the bengals defense on “rookie” mode 

[HappyDays]

 

[Mat68]

1 hour ago, Logic said:

If CMC didn't win MVP last year, it's hard to imagine Barkley winning it this year.

A running back hasn't won MVP since 2012. It would absolutely be Allen's luck for the MVP voters to somehow, for some reason, decide that THIS was the year to break that streak.

All of that said...I don't think it'll happen. I think it's Josh's year. Beating the Chiefs and having an "MVP moment" on 4th and 2, then coming back in the VERY NEXT GAME and having ANOTHER "MVP moment" with the NFL Play of the Year...I think it's Josh's award to lose right now. So long as he keeps generally playing well and the Bills wind up the one, two or three seed (and the Steelers have a tough schedule to close out the year, so I think it'll more than likely be the one or the two), it is indeed Josh's award to lose right now.

In an offense with Aj Brown, Devonta Smith and Jalen Hurts.  They went to the playoffs and a Superbowl without Barkley.  I think he is offensive player of the year but MVP is a tough road for him to navigate. 

[Cash]

1 hour ago, Logic said:

If CMC didn't win MVP last year, it's hard to imagine Barkley winning it this year.

A running back hasn't won MVP since 2012. It would absolutely be Allen's luck for the MVP voters to somehow, for some reason, decide that THIS was the year to break that streak.

All of that said...I don't think it'll happen. I think it's Josh's year. Beating the Chiefs and having an "MVP moment" on 4th and 2, then coming back in the VERY NEXT GAME and having ANOTHER "MVP moment" with the NFL Play of the Year...I think it's Josh's award to lose right now. So long as he keeps generally playing well and the Bills wind up the one, two or three seed (and the Steelers have a tough schedule to close out the year, so I think it'll more than likely be the one or the two), it is indeed Josh's award to lose right now.

 

I agree with all of this, in order.  Vegas odds have Allen as a pretty major favorite right now, which reflects where the voters collectively are at.  Doesn't guarantee anything with 5 games left, of course, but it's pretty good evidence that Allen is on pace to win the MVP as things currently stand.  I said after the Chiefs game that if we get the 1 seed, Allen will definitely win MVP this year.  At this point, I'd probably extend that to 1 or 2 seed.  Here's my quick thoughts on the likely competition:

• Saquon or any other non-QB: I'm normally very down with arguments for non-QBs - I think I would've voted for CMC last year if I had a vote.  But c'mon, please just not this year.  And like @Logic, I worry about it but ultimately don't think it'll happen.  MAYBE if Saquon or Henry breaks Dickerson's record or the yards from scrimmage record.
• Lamar: It's hard for me to see voters giving a third MVP to a guy with so little playoff success.  I know it's a regular season award, but these are human beings voting on it, and on some level they want their votes to be at least a little predictive of the playoffs.  But if he's transcendent in leading the Ravens to a comeback division title, he can't be counted out.  I think Allen would have to slip at least a little on top of that, though.
• Mahomes: Seems unlikely now, but let's say they win out and do it because Mahomes catches fire down the stretch.  In that scenario, very good chance he wins another MVP.  You'd need to see a big jump in his stats from where he is now though - just winning won't be enough IMO.
• Goff: It's a little weird that he's gotten so little buzz, because he's the QB on the (seemingly) best team in football, and some of his completion % stats this year have been historically good.  Like, absolutely nuts, but no one seems to care.  I'd put him as the biggest threat to Allen most likely, especially if the Lions beat us and he has a great game.  If they finish something like 15-2 with the 1 seed, and Goff doesn't throw another INT this year, he would be a very deserving MVP.  With that said, I think Allen has a distinct advantage with the voters, and it's that almost every voter would agree that Allen is a much better player than Goff in a vacuum.  So I think if it's close, or "both guys deserve the award", most of those tiebreakers will break towards Allen.

[Success]

Only downside is the easy schedule.  Not counting chickens (well, maybe a little), but some of the remaining games might be over by halftime, which will likely have a big impact on overall stats.

 

 

[Big Turk]

 

2 hours ago, Cash said:

 

I agree with all of this, in order.  Vegas odds have Allen as a pretty major favorite right now, which reflects where the voters collectively are at.  Doesn't guarantee anything with 5 games left, of course, but it's pretty good evidence that Allen is on pace to win the MVP as things currently stand.  I said after the Chiefs game that if we get the 1 seed, Allen will definitely win MVP this year.  At this point, I'd probably extend that to 1 or 2 seed.  Here's my quick thoughts on the likely competition:

• Saquon or any other non-QB: I'm normally very down with arguments for non-QBs - I think I would've voted for CMC last year if I had a vote.  But c'mon, please just not this year.  And like @Logic, I worry about it but ultimately don't think it'll happen.  MAYBE if Saquon or Henry breaks Dickerson's record or the yards from scrimmage record.
• Lamar: It's hard for me to see voters giving a third MVP to a guy with so little playoff success.  I know it's a regular season award, but these are human beings voting on it, and on some level they want their votes to be at least a little predictive of the playoffs.  But if he's transcendent in leading the Ravens to a comeback division title, he can't be counted out.  I think Allen would have to slip at least a little on top of that, though.
• Mahomes: Seems unlikely now, but let's say they win out and do it because Mahomes catches fire down the stretch.  In that scenario, very good chance he wins another MVP.  You'd need to see a big jump in his stats from where he is now though - just winning won't be enough IMO.
• Goff: It's a little weird that he's gotten so little buzz, because he's the QB on the (seemingly) best team in football, and some of his completion % stats this year have been historically good.  Like, absolutely nuts, but no one seems to care.  I'd put him as the biggest threat to Allen most likely, especially if the Lions beat us and he has a great game.  If they finish something like 15-2 with the 1 seed, and Goff doesn't throw another INT this year, he would be a very deserving MVP.  With that said, I think Allen has a distinct advantage with the voters, and it's that almost every voter would agree that Allen is a much better player than Goff in a vacuum.  So I think if it's close, or "both guys deserve the award", most of those tiebreakers will break towards Allen.

 

No way Lamar is getting MVP when he is leading a wildcard team.  No QB has won MVP without being the #1 or #2 seed. Pretty much a requirement that you have to be on one of the best teams in the conference to win.