strive_for_five_guy Posted January 26 Posted January 26 19 minutes ago, julian said: Yeah the only thing I could think of is possibly some voter information leaked… I don’t know I’ve been waiting to hear at least a couple voters state that they voted Lamar first team all-pro, yet Josh as MVP. Closest I heard was that Craig voter say don’t assume 1st team all-pro (Lamar) will also be MVP. Last year, at least 4 that didn’t vote for Lamar as 1st team all-pro did vote for him as MVP (45 v. 49). If there was ever a year where more voters would vote differently between the two, seems like this would be as good a year as any. 1 1 Quote
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted January 26 Posted January 26 37 minutes ago, strive_for_five_guy said: I’ve been waiting to hear at least a couple voters state that they voted Lamar first team all-pro, yet Josh as MVP. Closest I heard was that Craig voter say don’t assume 1st team all-pro (Lamar) will also be MVP. Last year, at least 4 that didn’t vote for Lamar as 1st team all-pro did vote for him as MVP (45 v. 49). If there was ever a year where more voters would vote differently between the two, seems like this would be as good a year as any. It would only take a handful of Lamar voters to switch..the vote was pretty close 1 Quote
UKBillFan Posted January 26 Posted January 26 Could it be as simple as some people who don't follow the NFL closely have put money on based on the Bills beating the Ravens last week, not understanding the vote closed before the play offs began? Quote
strive_for_five_guy Posted January 27 Posted January 27 22 hours ago, UKBillFan said: Could it be as simple as some people who don't follow the NFL closely have put money on based on the Bills beating the Ravens last week, not understanding the vote closed before the play offs began? When I read the comments on Polymarket, it sounds like they’ve traced the movement in odds to one person that made recent “bets” under multiple accounts. This same person supposedly has been very high on Josh for weeks, but also supposedly loses a ton of money in bets at that site too. So why would they try to bet Josh under multiple accounts now? The best theory as I understand it is the person may realize Josh isn’t going to win MVP now, so trying to trick others into putting more money into Josh now, in order to get themselves a position where they can put money on Lamar and lessen their losses. But that person might ultimately just be increasing their losses if they don’t find a good “exit” position. Confusing, but I think it’s ultimately someone that has a lot of money and is an idiot. 1 2 Quote
zow2 Posted February 5 Posted February 5 Time to revisit this thread. We did not get the Super Bowl we yearned for but the MVP is still in play and Chris Jones agrees. 1 1 Quote
Giuseppe Tognarelli Posted February 5 Posted February 5 (edited) Allen is the favorite, often heavily, everywhere. It would be the first time in recorded history where the favorite doesn't win. In other words, him not winning would be perfectly Billsy and is certain to happen. Edited February 5 by Giuseppe Tognarelli 1 6 Quote
Process Posted February 5 Posted February 5 13 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said: Allen is the favorite, often heavily, everywhere. It would be the first time in recorded history where the favorite doesn't win. In other words, him not winning would be perfectly Billsy and is certain to happen. Again, these are old odds. These were the odds prior to the all pro voting being released, after which the books took them down. These books aren't currently taking bets on MVP. 1 1 Quote
Allen2Moulds Posted February 5 Posted February 5 5 minutes ago, Process said: Again, these are old odds. These were the odds prior to the all pro voting being released, after which the books took them down. These books aren't currently taking bets on MVP. I don't track any specific books, but all-over social media, they're saying that the odds flipped back into Allen's favor. That says Vegas knows. 1 1 Quote
DapperCam Posted February 5 Posted February 5 20 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said: Allen is the favorite, often heavily, everywhere. It would be the first time in recorded history where the favorite doesn't win. In other words, him not winning would be perfectly Billsy and is certain to happen. Betting closed everywhere when voting ended. Those are odds from when voting ended. Jackson is going to win. It is the first time the oddsmakers have gotten so wrong, so that is notable. Why were oddsmakers so wrong? Because the people voting totally changed the criteria they were using between last year and this year for reasons unknown. Quote
Process Posted February 5 Posted February 5 7 minutes ago, Allen2Moulds said: I don't track any specific books, but all-over social media, they're saying that the odds flipped back into Allen's favor. That says Vegas knows. No they didn't, because like I said, there are no odds. Vegas stopped taking bets on MVP after the all pro voting was released. 1 Quote
strive_for_five_guy Posted February 5 Posted February 5 16 minutes ago, Process said: No they didn't, because like I said, there are no odds. Vegas stopped taking bets on MVP after the all pro voting was released. Here’s the only live market I know of. Odds had flipped to Allen’s favor for the past couple of weeks, after one large player put a couple hundred thousand on Allen and some believed he knew something and followed suit. Today, odds are shifting back to Lamar’s favor, people not buying the large player actually knew something. https://polymarket.com/event/nfl-mvp-1?tid=1738790896566 1 Quote
SoonerBillsFan Posted February 5 Posted February 5 2 hours ago, zow2 said: Time to revisit this thread. We did not get the Super Bowl we yearned for but the MVP is still in play and Chris Jones agrees. I hate to play against him, but much respect to Chris Jones for that. I have a feeling after all the BS surrounding the AFCCG that Allen is the MVP. 1 Quote
Kelly to Allen Posted February 5 Posted February 5 2 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said: I hate to play against him, but much respect to Chris Jones for that. I have a feeling after all the BS surrounding the AFCCG that Allen is the MVP. I never hated kc or anything like that. They're great and mahomes is great. Can't take anything away from them. We're right there but we need a strong off-season 3 Quote
AllenMania Posted February 5 Posted February 5 Curious if we have any news of Josh attending the ceremony tomorrow given he usually skips these events. 1 Quote
SoonerBillsFan Posted February 5 Posted February 5 12 minutes ago, Kelly to Allen said: I never hated kc or anything like that. They're great and mahomes is great. Can't take anything away from them. We're right there but we need a strong off-season Beane's 1st round drafting, some 2nd rounders, and his FA choices on the DL have been terrible. I don't believe in him finding a pass rusher that we need at #30. 1 1 Quote
Kelly to Allen Posted February 5 Posted February 5 29 minutes ago, AllenMania said: Curious if we have any news of Josh attending the ceremony tomorrow given he usually skips these events. Considering it became one of the most toxic conversations I've ever seen in a while with sports and both QBs didn't get to the super bowl. If I was Allen I'd rather go to Applebee's 1 1 Quote
78thealltimegreat Posted February 5 Posted February 5 Of course Lamar is going to win there is just a portion of these voters that don’t personally like Allen despite by the time voting ended he had played in 11 less quarters of football I’ll keep those reasons why I believe to myself. The only way Josh wins going forward is if his stats are so good because he’s allowed to play in these Bills blowouts where he sits in the 4th quarter and stat pads like Lamar did against the Giants. 1 Quote
May Day 10 Posted February 5 Posted February 5 Allen was walking away with it before the bills locked in the 2 seed and shut it down. Lamar grabbed a bunch of compiler stats and somehow stole the mvp. 3 1 Quote
Alphadawg7 Posted February 5 Posted February 5 (edited) 2 hours ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said: Allen is the favorite, often heavily, everywhere. It would be the first time in recorded history where the favorite doesn't win. In other words, him not winning would be perfectly Billsy and is certain to happen. Hahaha - it sure would be Edited February 5 by Alphadawg7 Quote
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