MVP hype for Allen

[Kelly to Allen]

2 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

On NFL network, they are combining Lamar Jackson’s and Josh Allen’s playoff record In talking about them.
 

they don’t really mention that Allen has the better playoff record and has historically some of the best playoff stats ever. 

 

I want someone to explain to me like I'm 5 why Lamar has more MVPs and 1st team all pros than Mahomes and Montana. ( Tied with Montana/Brady in 1st team all pros)

 

Someone do it

 

 

[BigAl2526]

Obvious, Lamar Jackson being named to the All Pro first team has a tendency to even the odds for being named MVP, if not making Jackson the favorite.  I'm willing to bet that this along with the overall snub of Bills players in the Pro Bowl voting has caused a major chip to develop on the shoulders of Josh Allen, the offensive line and the whole team.  Assuming the Bills get past the Broncos, it could be a setup for a huge revenge game next week.  I think the Bills want, almost as much as a Super Bowl win, to prove that they are as deserving as Jackson and the Ravens of all those accolades, if not more so.

[Ralonzo]

39 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

 

And actually it was the run from the Seahawks (week 8 ) to the Lions (week 15) which propelled Josh's case. Two of the games from the last four weeks - Pats, and to a lesser extent, the Jets - actually harmed his case if anything. And he only took one snap at Foxborough.

 

That's the point, Smith was denigrating Allen's "sprint for the last 4 weeks" while Lamar "has done it all year long," not understanding the reality of it is 180 degrees of the point he's trying to make.

[Doc]

1 minute ago, Ralonzo said:

 

That's the point, Smith was denigrating Allen's "sprint for the last 4 weeks" while Lamar "has done it all year long," not understanding the reality of it is 180 degrees of the point he's trying to make.

 

Smith was never the sharpest tool in the...place...where you keep tools.

Edited Saturday at 09:17 PM by Doc

[DCOrange]

19 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

incorrect

 

Allen finished first in the NFL in total EPA and ahead of Lamar in EPA/dropback

Might be a different EPA model (which is an annoying aspect of EPA lol). The one used for the betrayal index has Lamar 1, Josh 3, and Burrow 5 in EPA. 

[Ralonzo]

16 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Yes

 

The standard for Allen is 'you didn't play better than this guy in a given year' 

 

That's never been the standard as far as I can remember. There were about 5 QBs who played better than Lamar last season.

 

That, and iirc among the "big QB counting stats" like passing yards and TD's this has been Lamar's best year by far - and the first where he's actually exceeded Allen's AVERAGE for the last 5.

[DCOrange]

5 minutes ago, Kelly to Allen said:

 

I want someone to explain to me like I'm 5 why Lamar has more MVPs and 1st team all pros than Mahomes and Montana. ( Tied with Montana/Brady in 1st team all pros)

 

Someone do it

 

 

Lamar was better than Mahomes the two years he won MVP and was better than Mahomes this year. Mahomes won a couple MVPs when he was better and lost a couple to Rodgers (who also correctly has more MVPs than Mahomes).

 

Montana played like 40 years ago so he and Lamar were not competing with each other for MVPs.

[Scott7975]

 

Traditional the player that gets AP also gets MVP. It doesnt necessarily mean it will always be that way. I can still see Allen winning it. Traditionally they dont give MVP to a 3rd seed player either. Both things have still happened in history. Just not much.

[GoBills808]

23 minutes ago, Kangaxx said:

Least surprising thing ever. I'm sure he thinks he important enough to right historical wrongs. 

It's not a race thing imo. I truly don't believe it is

 

I just think people refuse to recognize Allen. And as for that I have no clue why.

[ProcessImproverMan]

I hope Lamar loses to the Steelers if he gets the MVP. More MVP titles than playoff wins would expose the people responsible voting for this as the racist/prejudice tools they are for denying Allen twice by moving goal posts and changing the criteria to justify their guy winning it 

Edited Saturday at 09:38 PM by ProcessImproverMan

[Punch]

It'll be funny if we go through all this weeping and gnashing of teeth only for February to come and Allen is awarded MVP.

[Ralonzo]

23 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Smith was never the sharpest tool in the...place...where you keep tools.

 

The engine bay?  BTW, was that your 10mm socket I found in the median last month? 

 

Smith being a tool is never a surprise tho.

[Kelly to Allen]

16 minutes ago, DCOrange said:

Lamar was better than Mahomes the two years he won MVP and was better than Mahomes this year. Mahomes won a couple MVPs when he was better and lost a couple to Rodgers (who also correctly has more MVPs than Mahomes).

 

Montana played like 40 years ago so he and Lamar were not competing with each other for MVPs.

 

 

 

 

I've lost faith in the intelligence of mankind after your statement... No I'm not kidding 

 

Im done with the MVP talk. 

 

 

 

 

[DCOrange]

2 minutes ago, Kelly to Allen said:

 

 

 

 

I've lost faith in the intelligence of mankind after your statement... No I'm not kidding 

 

Im done with the MVP talk. 

Well you did say to explain it to you like you were 5 years old. 

[Kelly to Allen]

1 minute ago, DCOrange said:

Well you did say to explain it to you like you were 5 years old. 

 

And you still found a way to not only not do that, but say something insane and embarrassing. 

 

 

[DCOrange]

20 minutes ago, Kelly to Allen said:

 

And you still found a way to not only not do that, but say something insane and embarrassing. 

 

 

If you actually believe Mahomes played better in the regular season any of these 2 (likely 3) MVP seasons, then perhaps explaining it like you're a 5 year old was too ambitious. 

Edited Saturday at 10:13 PM by DCOrange

[Kelly to Allen]

1 minute ago, DCOrange said:

If you actually believe Mahomes played better in the regular season any of these 2 (likely 3) MVP seasons, then perhaps explaining it like you're a 5 year old was too ambitious. 

 

You don't understand the award or live in reality 

 

 

[Buryravens]

1 hour ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

yes. Let coaching staffs vote on All Pro and MVP

NFL PA gave Lamar their MVP and QB1 as well…

[strive_for_five_guy]

1 hour ago, Success said:

 

Man, do I hope the Steelers win tonight.

 

Would totally love if all the Lamar voters get egg on their faces.

[Buryravens]

22 minutes ago, Kelly to Allen said:

 

You don't understand the award or live in reality 

 

 

At the very least you have to admit Mahomes doesn’t deserve to sniff MVP this year. He’s been very very average.