MVP hype for Allen

[ShakAttack]

what should happen: 
 

In an unprecedented turn of events during the 2024 NFL season, Lamar Jackson was awarded the MVP title amid widespread controversy. Though Jackson had an impressive season leading the Baltimore Ravens, many believed that Josh Allen of the Buffalo Bills displayed an even more remarkable performance, consistently delivering clutch plays and shattering passing records. Recognizing this, Jackson made a stunning announcement at the award ceremony, graciously declining the MVP title and personally handing it over to Allen, whom he openly acknowledged as the more deserving candidate. 

In his speech, Jackson expressed his frustration with what he perceived as a recurring bias from the MVP voters towards him and the Ravens, urging them to uphold fairness and integrity in their evaluations. His noble decision resonated throughout the sports world, setting a new precedent for sportsmanship and humility. Jackson's actions not only highlighted his respect for Allen's achievements but also sparked a broader discussion on impartiality within the league's prestigious accolades.

[Kelly to Allen]

19 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

He played well in 3 of his first 13 games in that image. Time has clouded your judgement. 

3-2 vs Brady 

4 super bowl appearances lol

Almost perfect in 3 of his first 7 playoff games 

 

Argue with the wall

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[iwishitwerecolder]

watch this video for a laugh

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

8 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

One of the things I am seeing among most MVP's is great stats and they are assisted by a great WR and good supporting cast.  Lamar this year has2 WR with the best separation in the world and a HOF RB putting up HOF numbers this year.

 

Allen still needs his " Marvin Harrison " like Manning had.

 

I also think we need to start seeing some 4500 yard seasons with 40+ PASSING TD's and less than 10 picks like Rogers has had.  For all Allens talents he still cant do that for some reason

Best of luck finding that with this front office.

 

Completely incapable of finding and drafting top end receivers 

[HappyDays]

I don't think the race is over yet. Here's what will happen - everyone that voted Allen 1st team all-pro will also vote him MVP. But some of the Lamar 1st team all-pro voters will give Allen the MVP. Their logic will be that Lamar was the best QB (based on volume stats) but Allen was the most valuable QB (based on narrative and team record). The final result will come down to how many of Lamar's 30 voters fall in that bucket. If even just 10 of them do, Allen will win. And to be honest that's what I think will happen.

 

Edited 8 hours ago by HappyDays

[Billznut]

2 hours ago, BillytheKid said:

That’s only on Bovada. Everywhere else still has Josh favored. Wouldn’t worry about it. 

I wonder how many millions you bet on Allen winning MVP since you have stated dozens of posts here saying it’s over he’s winning cause of Vegas blah blah blah. Well now Vegas says Jackson. And Vegas is never wrong. If you haven’t bet heavily on Josh to win MVP before today. Surely now with the odds stacked against him would be the time you’ll make your move and lay down heavy money on Allen to win. 

[Goin Breakdown]

It doesn't matter what you or I want. It's what the double standard voters and the NFL want. Games aren't rigged but there is a narrative in regard to teams and players.  I won't say that I never thought Josh would win it, but I will say im Not surprised to see that he probably won't.  

[Kelly to Allen]

12 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

I don't think the race is over yet. Here's what will happen - everyone that voted Allen 1st team all-pro will also vote him MVP. But some of the Lamar 1st team all-pro voters will give Allen the MVP. Their logic will be that Lamar was the best QB (based on volume stats) but Allen was the most valuable QB (based on narrative and team record). The final result will come down to how many of Lamar's 30 voters fall in that bucket. If even just 10 of them do, Allen will win. And to be honest that's what I think will happen.

 

 

Allen is not winning it dude 

Edited 7 hours ago by Kelly to Allen

[Goin Breakdown]

3 minutes ago, Billznut said:

I wonder how many millions you bet on Allen winning MVP since you have stated dozens of posts here saying it’s over he’s winning cause of Vegas blah blah blah. Well now Vegas says Jackson. And Vegas is never wrong. If you haven’t bet heavily on Josh to win MVP before today. Surely now with the odds stacked against him would be the time you’ll make your move and lay down heavy money on Allen to win. 

Forgive me here.  I'm not a betting guy but you said Vegas is never wrong, so why would anyone place money on Josh if Vegas is saying it's  Lamar now?

[DapperCam]

11 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

I don't think the race is over yet. Here's what will happen - everyone that voted Allen 1st team all-pro will also vote him MVP. But some of the Lamar 1st team all-pro voters will give Allen the MVP. Their logic will be that Lamar was the best QB (based on volume stats) but Allen was the most valuable QB (based on narrative and team record). The final result will come down to how many of Lamar's 30 voters fall in that bucket. If even just 10 of them do, Allen will win. And to be honest that's what I think will happen.

 

That has never happened before AFAIK, but I appreciate your optimism. Voting has been kind of funky the past couple of years so it’s possible.

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

1 hour ago, Buryravens said:

I think his historic turnover numbers hurt him, perhaps playing in the AFC East too. 
 

if he could avg 34 , 6 and 4k yards he might be better viewed. 

 

**TROLL ALERT**

43 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

Which is more impressive?  Lamar having 23 fewer turnovers than Allen in the span of 5 years or Allen having 70 more TDs in the span of 5 years?

 

TARGET CEASE FIRE!  Target Eliminated!

[Jauronimo]

The NFL needs to create an annual "Lamar Jackson Award" for the player most exemplifying the statistical performance of Lamar Jackson in a given year. Then we can get back to awarding the MVP to the player who is most valuable to their team.

[HappyDays]

13 minutes ago, Kelly to Allen said:

 

Allen is not winning it dude 

 

I don't know. It could 100% be confirmation bias on my part because I really do want Allen to win and cement his legacy, but even before the announcement today I sincerely had thought that Lamar as all-pro/Allen as MVP was a fairly likely result. I'd heard it floated by a couple other analysts too.

 

It starts by acknowledging that this MVP race in particular has become very very hostile. There was a viral thread on Twitter where a Ravens fan basically threatened to find Dan Orlovsky when he was in Baltimore and hurt him. Sure it was almost certainly just a joke but it crossed a line and you never know in this day and age. And then there are several analysts trying to make the whole thing into a racial divide. The conversation has just gotten terrible and there's no way that isn't having at least some effect on the voters. So if you're a voter who wants to give Allen MVP but you don't want to be threatened or accused of racial bias, the easy answer is to vote Lamar as 1st team all-pro to give yourself plausible deniability. In that scenario you basically plant yourself on the fence and no one can accuse you of bias.

 

This all sounds insane as I'm typing it out but I think there's some truth to what I'm saying. I would still bet on Allen to win MVP. The all-pro/MVP split would be unprecedented in recent history but this is an unprecedented MVP race in general for a number of reasons.

 

Edited 7 hours ago by HappyDays

[UKBillFan]

2 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

I don't know. It could 100% be confirmation bias on my part because I really do want Allen to win and cement his legacy, but even before the announcement today I sincerely had thought that Lamar as all-pro/Allen as MVP was a fairly likely result. I'd heard it floated by a couple other analysts too.

 

It starts by acknowledging that this MVP race in particular has become very very hostile. There was a viral thread on Twitter where a Ravens fan basically threatened to find Dan Orlovsky when he was in Baltimore and hurt him. Sure it was almost certainly just a joke but it crossed a line and you never know in this day and age. And then there are several analysts trying to make the whole thing about race. The conversation has just gotten terrible and there's no way that isn't having at least some effect on the voters. So if you're a voter who wants to give Allen MVP but you don't want to be threatened or accused of racial bias, the easy answer is to vote Lamar as 1st team all-pro to give yourself plausible deniability.

 

This all sounds insane as I'm typing it out but I think there's some truth to what I'm saying. I would still bet on Allen to win MVP. The all-pro/MVP split would be unprecedented in recent history but this is an unprecedented MVP race in general for a number of reasons.

 

 

I can see the logic. I just can't see the MVP voters wanting to give Josh any credit whatsoever.

[Mikie2times]

22 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

I don't think the race is over yet. Here's what will happen - everyone that voted Allen 1st team all-pro will also vote him MVP. But some of the Lamar 1st team all-pro voters will give Allen the MVP. Their logic will be that Lamar was the best QB (based on volume stats) but Allen was the most valuable QB (based on narrative and team record). The final result will come down to how many of Lamar's 30 voters fall in that bucket. If even just 10 of them do, Allen will win. And to be honest that's what I think will happen.

 

I have a little horse in the race for this thought process. Bovada is not putting up a line they don't think is accurate. They have it it at -220 for Lamar. So about 65% implied odds. Which makes sense with the AP history. But with that, Allen closing the year at -200 or better and still losing would be just as unprecedented as anything else. So to say he can't win now just based on the 1st team AP always winning, well, I don't think anybody knows right now and I would just throw out the historical info. I would give Lamar 60% likelihood or so, but this thing is not locked up. Your scenario is absolutely possible.   

[Punch]

It's over. Its never been more over.

 

On to Denver.

[Mikie2times]

4 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

I don't know. It could 100% be confirmation bias on my part because I really do want Allen to win and cement his legacy, but even before the announcement today I sincerely had thought that Lamar as all-pro/Allen as MVP was a fairly likely result. I'd heard it floated by a couple other analysts too.

 

It starts by acknowledging that this MVP race in particular has become very very hostile. There was a viral thread on Twitter where a Ravens fan basically threatened to find Dan Orlovsky when he was in Baltimore and hurt him. Sure it was almost certainly just a joke but it crossed a line and you never know in this day and age. And then there are several analysts trying to make the whole thing into a racial divide. The conversation has just gotten terrible and there's no way that isn't having at least some effect on the voters. So if you're a voter who wants to give Allen MVP but you don't want to be threatened or accused of racial bias, the easy answer is to vote Lamar as 1st team all-pro to give yourself plausible deniability. In that scenario you basically plant yourself on the fence and no one can accuse you of bias.

 

This all sounds insane as I'm typing it out but I think there's some truth to what I'm saying. I would still bet on Allen to win MVP. The all-pro/MVP split would be unprecedented in recent history but this is an unprecedented MVP race in general for a number of reasons.

 

I will add, I would have probably given Lamar first team AP and Josh MVP. You can make an argument that one had the better season and the other was the most valuable player in the league. I think that is the right argument to be honest. 

[Kelly to Allen]

8 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

I don't know. It could 100% be confirmation bias on my part because I really do want Allen to win and cement his legacy, but even before the announcement today I sincerely had thought that Lamar as all-pro/Allen as MVP was a fairly likely result. I'd heard it floated by a couple other analysts too.

 

It starts by acknowledging that this MVP race in particular has become very very hostile. There was a viral thread on Twitter where a Ravens fan basically threatened to find Dan Orlovsky when he was in Baltimore and hurt him. Sure it was almost certainly just a joke but it crossed a line and you never know in this day and age. And then there are several analysts trying to make the whole thing into a racial divide. The conversation has just gotten terrible and there's no way that isn't having at least some effect on the voters. So if you're a voter who wants to give Allen MVP but you don't want to be threatened or accused of racial bias, the easy answer is to vote Lamar as 1st team all-pro to give yourself plausible deniability. In that scenario you basically plant yourself on the fence and no one can accuse you of bias.

 

This all sounds insane as I'm typing it out but I think there's some truth to what I'm saying. I would still bet on Allen to win MVP. The all-pro/MVP split would be unprecedented in recent history but this is an unprecedented MVP race in general for a number of reasons.

 

 

I love this team and it's upsetting to me that Allen won't get MVP. 

 

I hope he goes God mode in these playoffs and gets this title Larry Bird style 

 

Ppl can lie all they want to themselves. Crap is disrespectful 

Edited 7 hours ago by Kelly to Allen

[ColoradoBills]

These are "awards".  In 1981 Chariots of Fire beat out Raiders of the Lost Ark.

 

 

[UKBillFan]

1 minute ago, Kelly to Allen said:

 

I love this team and it's upsetting to me that Allen won't get MVP. 

 

I hope he goes God mode in these playoffs and gets this title Larry Bird style 

 

Ppl can lie all they want to themselves. Crap is disrespectful 

 

I think it's less Josh not getting MVP this year and more when will he ever get it? If Lamar gets it, it seems like the MVP voters revel in changing the parameters just to keep him away from it right now.