MVP hype for Allen

[Buryravens]

1 minute ago, Mikie2times said:

Says 9 post Ravens troll 

Every generation has a Phillip Rivers. It’s ok

[Mikie2times]

Just now, Buryravens said:

Every generation has a Phillip Rivers. It’s ok

Part of what you need to troll somebody is somebody who cares. You got the wrong person. 

[Buryravens]

3 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

Part of what you need to troll somebody is somebody who cares. You got the wrong person. 

Was being respectful. 
 

I don’t know why it’s shameful to be compared to PR. 
 

The Brady Manning of the past is now the Mahomes Lamar ordeal. 
 

Thats all

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

5 minutes ago, Buryravens said:

Every generation has a Phillip Rivers. It’s ok

Philip Rivers was a great QB!! 
 

At this point, both Lamar and Josh compare pretty well to him. Great QBs who haven’t been to a SB.

[Buryravens]

2 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

Philip Rivers was a great QB!! 
 

At this point, both Lamar and Josh compare pretty well to him. Great QBs who haven’t been to a SB.

Exactly, it’s a good comparison. 
 

I say Lamar gets the Peyton designation since he has historic seasons in the RS. 
 

playoffs this year will determine a lot of narratives imo 

[mjt328]

3 hours ago, DCOrange said:

That's mostly just due to Lamar missing games in his non-MVP seasons. If you normalize the stats for a 17 game projection, they're basically equal on wins and yards with Josh averaging a handful more TDs and a few more turnovers. More importantly, it doesn't really matter how they played in totality over the last 6 seasons for the MVP. Lamar was the pretty clear choice for MVP the first time around. Last year was a really wonky year where there were zero deserving candidates but somebody had to win it. The fact that all but one guy opted for Lamar is a little weird IMO but Josh didn't have a spectacular year last season either; may have been more deserving than Lamar though. And this year there are two very strong candidates and it looks like he's ultimately going to win out. Just because it's 3 MVPs to 0 doesn't mean it's an example of bias.

 

Please.  Quit making excuses for these pathetic voters.

 

The MVP award is narrative driven.  And if you can't see how the sports media keeps switching the criteria every season in order to prop up certain players (and downplay others), then I just don't know what to tell you.

 

Last year, you couldn't watch a Bills game without hearing how absolutely terrible Josh Allen was at turning over the ball.  You would have thought he was having a Jameis Winston year or something.  He absolutely crushed little MVP Jackson in every other stat.  But they needed to pull Allen down.  This year, not a peep.  Total turnovers were never on the stat comparison between Allen/Jackson.  Because this year, our guy had less.  And where was all the talk mid-season about turnovers when Patrick Mahomes was leading the NFL?  It's total B.S.  Suddenly nobody seems to care that Jackson had Derrick Henry either, when last year we kept hearing about lack of weapons.

 

And I don't want to hear about "normalizing stats" out either.  How many voters are factoring in how many times Allen spent the 4th Quarter sitting the bench or handing the ball off, because his offense had already run up the score?  In my previous post, I was nice enough to include Allen's second season, where many in the NFL were still calling him trash or a bust.  Even factoring in that year (where Jackson was winning his first MVP), Allen has still scored 54 more touchdowns and racked up over 3,000 more yards over the past six seasons.

 

The simple truth is... Allen is a better player.  It's really not close.  It hasn't been close since 2020.  Yet voters keep picking the other guy.  Not just for MVP, but also for All-Pro, Pro-Bowl, etc.  We can all theorize the reasons.  But it's pretty clear the sports media keeps moving the goalposts.  

 

[Mikie2times]

1 minute ago, Buryravens said:

Exactly, it’s a good comparison. 
 

I say Lamar gets the Peyton designation since he has historic seasons in the RS. 
 

playoffs this year will determine a lot of narratives imo 

Peyton was one of the worst playoff QB's of all time so I see the similarities. 

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

Just now, Buryravens said:

Exactly, it’s a good comparison. 
 

I say Lamar gets the Peyton designation since he has historic seasons in the RS. 
 

playoffs this year will determine a lot of narratives imo 

to me, there is no difference between Philip Rivers and pre-SB Peyton manning. Both great QBs. You can compare Lamar and Josh to both or either. Can’t really compare either to Peyton manning after he won his SB’s.
 

The reality is that ravens and bills fans can debate in good fun about their QBs. But their legacies will be determined by SBs. Sort of unfair, but true.

[Buryravens]

1 minute ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

to me, there is no difference between Philip Rivers and pre-SB Peyton manning. Both great QBs. You can compare Lamar and Josh to both or either. Can’t really compare either to Peyton manning after he won his SB’s.
 

The reality is that ravens and bills fans can debate in good fun about their QBs. But their legacies will be determined by SBs. Sort of unfair, but true.

So uh let’s stop KC from their BS 

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

to me, there is no difference between Philip Rivers and pre-SB Peyton manning. Both great QBs. You can compare Lamar and Josh to both or either. Can’t really compare either to Peyton manning after he won his SB’s.
 

The reality is that ravens and bills fans can debate in good fun about their QBs. But their legacies will be determined by SBs. Sort of unfair, but true.

not even close. Right now Lamar's legacy is (likely) 3x MVP and first ballot HOF

 

Allen's legacy is nonexistent

17 minutes ago, Buryravens said:

Every generation has a Phillip Rivers. It’s ok

weak

[Kelly to Allen]

17 minutes ago, Buryravens said:

Every generation has a Phillip Rivers. It’s ok

Allen already has more playoff PASSING tds than rivers had in his entire career....

[Scott7975]

47 minutes ago, zow2 said:

The MVP votes were cast a couple days ago. All the great arguments for Allen here and online mean nothing now. The voting is done. 

 

Mangini on TV said he thinks Josh lost it with 3 games remaining.  He had lousy numbers vs a terrible NE club and Lamar and the Ravens showed out and pounded the Steelers for the division. 

 

Nick Wright said Lamar winning it last year with so-so numbers not close to Dak’s numbers is the same as Allen’s path this season.  He said if they are going on “valuable” in MVP it points to Josh.

 

Yeah Lamars pounding of the Steelers didnt happen until Henry started to take over in that game.  His pounding was 15 completions that his receivers got over 200 yards on because they were so wide open due to the Steelers not being able to stop Henry.  That is Lamars typical game. Teams focus Henry because they can't stop him. Lamar gets easy passes because the receivers arent covered.

 

 

All hail Lamar and his tough throws after Henry marches all over the field. Score was 17-17 towards the end of the 3rd quarter. Game got away from the Steelers. Lamar wasn't anything special.

[Albanybillsbacker]

Don’t feed the Baltimore trolls.  The only fan base that can troll us on Allen’s “lack of accomplishments” is KC fans.  Lamar is a regular season hero.  
 

but hey, maybe Allen will be like Elway, and be selected 2nd team all pro, but still win the MVP.  

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

Just now, GoBills808 said:

not even close. Right now Lamar's legacy is (likely) 3x MVP and first ballot HOF

 

Allen's legacy is nonexistent

Tough to say, since every multiple MVP winner has won a SB. 

[Kelly to Allen]

11 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

Peyton was one of the worst playoff QB's of all time so I see the similarities. 

No he wasn't 

 

Peyton Manning was 3-2 vs Brady in the playoffs and went to 4 Superbowls lol

 

In Peytons 4th and 5th playoff game he had a rating of 130+ and was almost perfect....in his 7th playoff game he almost threw for 500 yds and 4 tds...

 

He had some bad playoff games, but overall was also pretty awesome when you compare him to his contemporaries. 

 

 

Edited 8 hours ago by Kelly to Allen

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

Tough to say, since every multiple MVP winner has won a SB. 

What is tough to say? That Lamar isn't a first ballot hall of famer? I think that's almost certain at this point

 

 

[Kelly to Allen]

Montana had 3 first team all pros and 2 MVPs....

Edited 8 hours ago by Kelly to Allen

[DabillsDaBillsDaBills]

3 minutes ago, Kelly to Allen said:

Allen already has more playoff PASSING tds than rivers had in his entire career....

 

Yea, I think the Rivers comparison is a pretty bad one. Allen has been a top 3 QB for 5 consecutive regular seasons, and elevates his game in the playoffs. 

 

Rivers had maybe 3 regular seasons in the top 5 and generally was mediocre in the playoffs. 

 

Allen already has 9 more postseason TDs and 6 fewer INTs than Rivers.  

 

I'd say Allen's career is trending more towards Rodgers than it is Rivers. Elite QB that elevates level of play in the playoffs only to have teammates choke games away. 

[Buryravens]

2 minutes ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said:

 

Yea, I think the Rivers comparison is a pretty bad one. Allen has been a top 3 QB for 5 consecutive regular seasons, and elevates his game in the playoffs. 

 

Rivers had maybe 3 regular seasons in the top 5 and generally was mediocre in the playoffs. 

 

Allen already has 9 more postseason TDs and 6 fewer INTs than Rivers.  

 

I'd say Allen's career is trending more towards Rodgers than it is Rivers. Elite QB that elevates level of play in the playoffs only to have teammates choke games away. 

Rodgers was a different animal, he put up numbers like Lamar this year on the regular. 
 

JA needs to keep his picks down and keep his tds up. 
 

Lamar just had a PR year of 119, it’s really tough to compare against the 04 Manning 20/11 Aaron and now 24 Lamar numbers. 

[Mikie2times]

4 minutes ago, Kelly to Allen said:

No he wasn't 

 

Peyton Manning was 3-2 vs Brady in the playoffs and went to 4 Superbowls lol

 

In Peytons 4th and 5th playoff game he had a rating of 130+ and was almost perfect....in his 7th playoff game he almost threw for 500 yds and 4 tds...

 

He had some bad playoff games, but overall was also pretty awesome when you compare him to his contemporaries. 

 

 

After 7 seasons he had 18 TD and 15 INT's in the playoffs. His Super Bowl Year he had 3 TD's and 7 INT's. His first 6 years they went 3-6 losing his first playoff game 4 times. 

 

Did he get it together later? Sur, somewhat. Never even close to his regular season level.