MVP hype for Allen

[Georgia Bill]

Super Bowl MVP is better.  Go get it Josh!

 

[AllenMania]

The funny thing is that these same voters have several of Lamar teammates for All Pro while they  only have Josh from the Bills. 

Edited 16 hours ago by AllenMania

[Doc Brown]

On 1/7/2025 at 6:00 PM, Doc Brown said:

It definitely is but Lamar got 45 out of 50 1st team all pro votes and 49 out of 50 MVP voters last year.  That's at least four voters who though all pro and MVP were different criteria.  So, if Lamar gets say 28 first team all pro votes Allen could still win MVP.

I said 28 but 30 is pry too much.  Especially with Allen only getting 18.  Lamar's the heavy favorite now.

[Billznut]

3 minutes ago, Billsfanatic8989 said:

Yeah I'm starting to think Allen is not going to win MVP. I wasn't thinking that way until this all pro list became available.

The tide has been changing the last 3-4 weeks unfortunately. I’ve posted that numerous times in this thread that it looked like this was coming for various reasons and even after being shot down by mods and some of the resident geniuses here, it’s now looking more official that Josh is going to get screwed. It’s sad and unfair to him. Hopefully this just puts an even bigger chip on his shoulder and he takes it out on everyone on the field over the next few weeks. 

[Warriorspikes51]

Just now, AllenMania said:

The funny thing is that these same voters have multiple of Lamar teammates for All Pro while they have only Josh from the Bills. 

 

The AP has agendas and bias that impacts their votes IMO.

 

Let every coaching staff member in the NFL vote instead

 

[BringBackFlutie]

4 minutes ago, Andrew Son said:

Will it be known by next week?

 

It'll probably be leaked. Even if not, Jackson knows he's basically a lock for MVP now that he's 1st team all pro.

[DCOrange]

7 minutes ago, mjt328 said:

 

Statistics over the last five years:

 

Total Yards:  Allen (27,871), Jackson (24,336)

Total TDs:  Allen (242), Jackson (188)

Team Wins:  Allen (71), Jackson (68)

 

Yet somehow Jackson will likely have 3 MVP awards during that period of time, while Allen has zero.

There is clearly bias... either for one player, or against one player, or both.  No other explanation.

 

That's mostly just due to Lamar missing games in his non-MVP seasons. If you normalize the stats for a 17 game projection, they're basically equal on wins and yards with Josh averaging a handful more TDs and a few more turnovers. More importantly, it doesn't really matter how they played in totality over the last 6 seasons for the MVP. Lamar was the pretty clear choice for MVP the first time around. Last year was a really wonky year where there were zero deserving candidates but somebody had to win it. The fact that all but one guy opted for Lamar is a little weird IMO but Josh didn't have a spectacular year last season either; may have been more deserving than Lamar though. And this year there are two very strong candidates and it looks like he's ultimately going to win out. Just because it's 3 MVPs to 0 doesn't mean it's an example of bias.

[TrentEdwardsCheckDownOn4th]

There has never been an all pro QB who didn't win MVP. And that's dating back to the 1960s. Only chance for allen now would be some sort of co MVP like McNair and Manning had. 

[Billsfanatic8989]

It's weird because Lamar will have 3 mvp's to Allen's 0. Yet, would anyone really say Lamar is better?

 

This will hurt Allen's HOF case too unfortunately.

[DapperCam]

18 minutes ago, DCOrange said:

Lamar played 97% of their offensive snaps vs. Josh playing 89%. It's really closer to 1 game.

How is that possible when Allen has sat for the entire final game? He additionally sat for multiple quarters throughout the season. We also had many games where Allen was in but just handing it off. Allen had like 3 pass attempts in the second half of the Jaguars game.

[Slippery Rubber Mats]

Just now, Billsfanatic8989 said:

It's weird because Lamar will have 3 mvp's to Allen's 0. Yet, would anyone really say Lamar is better?

 

This will hurt Allen's HOF case too unfortunately.

 

Josh will be in the hall. I have zero doubt

[GETTOTHE50]

lol Lamar is not even close to the same level JA17 is. 

[Beck Water]

On 1/8/2025 at 1:12 PM, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said:

 

Yea, i fully expect the AP All-Pro nods to go to Jackson (1st team) and Burrow (2nd team) as a consolation prize for not winning MVP and acknowledgement they had fantastic seasons. Barkley gets OPOY

 

 

Welp, Then.

 

Actually I think the Bills coaches and players knew the writing was on the wall a couple weeks back which is why McDermott and the OL came out in public and said what they said.

[Mailman]

It's clear bias. I hope JA takes this personally, a la Michael Jordan. 

[Warriorspikes51]

Just now, Mailman said:

It's clear bias. I hope JA takes this personally, a la Michael Jordan. 

 

This. 

[Chaos]

Just now, DapperCam said:

How is that possible when Allen has sat for the entire final game? He additionally sat for multiple quarters throughout the season. We also had many games where Allen was in but just handing it off. Allen had like 3 pass attempts in the second half of the Jaguars game.

1 game out 17 = 5.8%. The rest of the quarters sat, adds up to the other 5.2%. 

[DCOrange]

Just now, DapperCam said:

How is that possible when Allen has sat for the entire final game? He additionally sat for multiple quarters throughout the season. We also had many games where Allen was in but just handing it off. Allen had like 3 pass attempts in the second half of the Jaguars game.

One game = a little less than 6% of snaps if every game was the same number of snaps (and I'd guess we ran fewer plays in Week 17 than usual) so Josh basically sat out around 2 games worth of snaps and Lamar sat out roughly 1 game.

[Doc Brown]

1 minute ago, Mailman said:

It's clear bias. I hope JA takes this personally, a la Michael Jordan. 

Lamar had a historical statistical amazing season.  You could make an equally compelling case for either but I don't think there's much bias involved.

[DCOrange]

5 minutes ago, TrentEdwardsCheckDownOn4th said:

There has never been an all pro QB who didn't win MVP. And that's dating back to the 1960s. Only chance for allen now would be some sort of co MVP like McNair and Manning had. 

John Elway won it in 1987 when Joe Montana was the All Pro QB. That's the only time aside from the Co-MVP situation.

[Beck Water]

13 minutes ago, AllenMania said:

The funny thing is that these same voters have several of Lamar teammates for All Pro while they  only have Josh from the Bills. 

 

Don't try to make it make sense.  Just hope it puts a little "***** in the grits" for Allen and the OL through the playoffs.

 

2 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Lamar had a historical statistical amazing season.  You could make an equally compelling case for either but I don't think there's much bias involved.

 

He did.  But last year when Allen had better statistics, we were told the award wasn't about statistics.

Edited 15 hours ago by Beck Water