MVP hype for Allen

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

8 minutes ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

If you want to get your hopes back up, this CBS sports writer makes a good comp to Manning v McNair back in 2003, and why Josh still has a good chance to win MVP even though Lamar was 1st team all-pro.  Similar argument as Peter King, makes a lot of sense.

 

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/lamar-jackson-vs-josh-allen-which-qb-deserves-mvp-most-and-why-its-not-a-done-deal-despite-all-pro-results/amp/

Looks like the vote for all pro qb went:

Lamar 109 points 30 first place votes

josh     78 points  18 first place votes 

burrow 13 points   2 first place votes 

 

josh would need 6ish of the 30 first place Lamar voters to flip or maybe a bit less/more depending on if those burrow voters go a different way for mvp. Definitely seems possible and that’s probably why the odds didn’t go super lopsided once all pro was announced. Also it’s possible some go for a non qb for mvp so this is just a very rough estimate 

[cisco2403]

Here is an analysis that some Ravens guys did before the All Pro votes were announced. They felt it was heavily towards Allen. Here is a summary of what was discussed. 

 

- They tallied a list of 54 possible voters even though I think there is only 50.  It was a combination of the voters from the last few years and who they know or have stated is a MVP voter. 

- They divided them into 2 categories: Those who were the older voters who would vote more traditionally and those who were younger who vote more on statistics. 

- They felt the younger voters would vote more on statistics and would lean towards Jackson and the traditional would lean towards Allen. 

- 31 out of the 54 are categorized as older/traditional voters. 23 out of the 54 are categorized as younger. 

- 23 out of the 31 traditional voters were leaning towards Allen with 16 outright saying they were voting for him and 7 leaning towards Allen. 9 out of the 23 were leaning towards Jackson with 6 outright saying they were voting for him and 3 leaning towards him. 1 voter said they were voting for Barkley. This leaves 21 out of the possible 54 being unknown. 

 

So unless there was a massive change in sentiment the last week or most if not all the unknown voters voted for Lamar, than Josh is most likely going to win MVP. 

 

 

 

[LABILLBACKER]

2 hours ago, cisco2403 said:

Here is an analysis that some Ravens guys did before the All Pro votes were announced. They felt it was heavily towards Allen. Here is a summary of what was discussed. 

 

- They tallied a list of 54 possible voters even though I think there is only 50.  It was a combination of the voters from the last few years and who they know or have stated is a MVP voter. 

- They divided them into 2 categories: Those who were the older voters who would vote more traditionally and those who were younger who vote more on statistics. 

- They felt the younger voters would vote more on statistics and would lean towards Jackson and the traditional would lean towards Allen. 

- 31 out of the 54 are categorized as older/traditional voters. 23 out of the 54 are categorized as younger. 

- 23 out of the 31 traditional voters were leaning towards Allen with 16 outright saying they were voting for him and 7 leaning towards Allen. 9 out of the 23 were leaning towards Jackson with 6 outright saying they were voting for him and 3 leaning towards him. 1 voter said they were voting for Barkley. This leaves 21 out of the possible 54 being unknown. 

 

So unless there was a massive change in sentiment the last week or most if not all the unknown voters voted for Lamar, than Josh is most likely going to win MVP. 

 

 

 

Josh listens to Sinatra before every game.  Of course he's getting the older voters.

[strive_for_five_guy]

6 hours ago, cisco2403 said:

Here is an analysis that some Ravens guys did before the All Pro votes were announced. They felt it was heavily towards Allen. Here is a summary of what was discussed. 

 

- They tallied a list of 54 possible voters even though I think there is only 50.  It was a combination of the voters from the last few years and who they know or have stated is a MVP voter. 

- They divided them into 2 categories: Those who were the older voters who would vote more traditionally and those who were younger who vote more on statistics. 

- They felt the younger voters would vote more on statistics and would lean towards Jackson and the traditional would lean towards Allen. 

- 31 out of the 54 are categorized as older/traditional voters. 23 out of the 54 are categorized as younger. 

- 23 out of the 31 traditional voters were leaning towards Allen with 16 outright saying they were voting for him and 7 leaning towards Allen. 9 out of the 23 were leaning towards Jackson with 6 outright saying they were voting for him and 3 leaning towards him. 1 voter said they were voting for Barkley. This leaves 21 out of the possible 54 being unknown. 

 

So unless there was a massive change in sentiment the last week or most if not all the unknown voters voted for Lamar, than Josh is most likely going to win MVP. 

 

 

 

Who did each of these voters select for 1st team all-pro QB?

[cisco2403]

11 hours ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

Who did each of these voters select for 1st team all-pro QB?

They didn't mention it. This analysis was done prior to the All-Pro vote. The key info is that from their research, 23 of the voters were leaning towards Allen, 9 towards Jackson, 1 for Barkley and 21 unknowns.  I find it hard to believe that Allen didn't get a few more votes from the unknowns. 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

11 hours ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

Who did each of these voters select for 1st team all-pro QB?

I don’t think they break it down by name probably to protect people’s social medias getting flooded by crazies lol I’m actually more confident josh will win mvp after hearing that analysis…he really only needs a handful of Lamar all pro voters to flip for mvp.  
 

the vote totals were 109 points to 78 which seems like a big difference but each first place vote for all pro was worth 3 points so it’s not that big of a gap if some people flip.  Clearly some voters think there’s a difference between all pro and mvp cuz burrow got a couple first place votes…doubt he’d get any for mvp 

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

16 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Josh listens to Sinatra before every game.  Of course he's getting the older voters.

Great artists break generational barriers. 

[zow2]

A couple of the voters who we know selected Josh, said it was all about the “valuable” portion of MVP.  That means everything for this award and point to Josh Allen.  He earned the 2 seed and had 2 fewer losses with a team that was not expected to be this good. 

[Chugga]

I’ve always viewed the All-Pro team as the team we would hypothetically send to the Olympics.  A team that is so good across the board that we are trying to win at every position.

 

In contrast I’ve viewed the MVP as a vote to who is going to lead a US select team comprised of college kids to win the hypothetical “World Cup”.  What player is going to will their team of 53 to represent the USA and win the world title.

 

By those standards I’ve got zero issue with Lamar 1st team all pro and Josh MVP.  I think it also better differentiates the two titles.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

This can have so many different conversations but I’ll post it here. This is why Josh is MVP.

 

 

[mannc]

On his podcast last week, Chris Simms, who is an MVP voter, said that Lamar is going to be the MVP, based on his having been voted first team All-Pro.  I don’t know how much of an overlap there is between the MVP and All-Pro voters, but Simms probably does, and he was convinced, even though he hinted that he voted for Josh.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

38 minutes ago, mannc said:

On his podcast last week, Chris Simms, who is an MVP voter, said that Lamar is going to be the MVP, based on his having been voted first team All-Pro.  I don’t know how much of an overlap there is between the MVP and All-Pro voters, but Simms probably does, and he was convinced, even though he hinted that he voted for Josh.

Because a lot of the same voters vote for MVP. 
 

Lamar had an historic statistical year with team success. So it’s deserved. 

Edited Thursday at 10:54 AM by Buffalo_Stampede

[GunnerBill]

41 minutes ago, mannc said:

On his podcast last week, Chris Simms, who is an MVP voter, said that Lamar is going to be the MVP, based on his having been voted first team All-Pro.  I don’t know how much of an overlap there is between the MVP and All-Pro voters, but Simms probably does, and he was convinced, even though he hinted that he voted for Josh.

 

They are the exact same voters.

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

This can have so many different conversations but I’ll post it here. This is why Josh is MVP.

 

 

 

When Mack Hollins is your best receiver at getting open..... 

[CSBill]

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

This can have so many different conversations but I’ll post it here. This is why Josh is MVP.

 

 

 

When I look at that chart, I can only think, "Where's Waldo?"

[DaggersEOD]

19 hours ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

I don’t think they break it down by name probably to protect people’s social medias getting flooded by crazies lol I’m actually more confident josh will win mvp after hearing that analysis…he really only needs a handful of Lamar all pro voters to flip for mvp.  
 

the vote totals were 109 points to 78 which seems like a big difference but each first place vote for all pro was worth 3 points so it’s not that big of a gap if some people flip.  Clearly some voters think there’s a difference between all pro and mvp cuz burrow got a couple first place votes…doubt he’d get any for mvp 

I honestly don’t think it should be a secret ballot. 
 

Voters should have to explain their thinking. It’s not like it determines the fate of nations or anything 😅

[Peace Frog]

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[JESSEFEFFER]

8 hours ago, mannc said:

On his podcast last week, Chris Simms, who is an MVP voter, said that Lamar is going to be the MVP, based on his having been voted first team All-Pro.  I don’t know how much of an overlap there is between the MVP and All-Pro voters, but Simms probably does, and he was convinced, even though he hinted that he voted for Josh.

The one I saw had Florio make that point and Simms agreed with him.  But, I could see that  if a voter was really torn about the evaluation, they might split their votes along those lines.  Josh more valuable in elevating his team to a more successful season and Lamar with the more spectacular production in the scope of his team's success.   Historically, split votes don't seem like a thing but when faced with a historically tough choice, I could see several voters opting for that approach.

[Conlan58]

For what it's worth...

 

[Savage]

1 hour ago, Conlan58 said:

For what it's worth...

 

When does the MVP get announced?

 

I thought it was before the playoffs started.

 

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

19 minutes ago, Savage said:

When does the MVP get announced?

 

I thought it was before the playoffs started.

 

After conference championships and before Super Bowl