MVP hype for Allen

[Billznut]

1 hour ago, BillytheKid said:

Not sure what you mean?

 

I’ve said all along whoever is favored last will win the MVP. Vegas odds always tell the correct story. I’ve  said it all along. 
 

You should probably know what you are talking about it before you speak. 

I know I watched you say dozens of times Allen had it all wrapped up because Vegas Vegas Vegas. That’s what you said. Until today. 

[SaulGoodman]

7 hours ago, Kelly to Allen said:

@Biscuit_97

@SaulGoodman  

What are your thoughts because bills fans are going wild on Twitter lol

I think it could go either way. 
 

No doubt Lamar would trade all MVPs for one SB MVP. 

[zow2]

I know someone who knows an MVP voter.  This voter hinted after the Bills/Detroit game that Allen was going to win it.  I heard this 3rd hand.  Whatever turned the tide amongst the 50 voters happened in week 16.  Josh struggled vs NE and only threw for 154 yards and had a QBR of 67.3.  

 

Meanwhile Lamar/Henry had a super game vs Pittsburgh and won big to take over the division. He only threw 23 times but tossed 3 TDs and had a 115.3 QBR.  The O had over 400 yards. 

 

I still don’t think Josh is completely cooked.  The Bills have a better record and better seed. They have some marquis wins and Allen has some of the best splash plays of the season on National tv.  Winning the AFC East with 5 weeks remaining and coasting down the stretch may have cost him however. We’ll see in a few weeks.

[DapperCam]

12 minutes ago, zow2 said:

I know someone who knows an MVP voter.  This voter hinted after the Bills/Detroit game that Allen was going to win it.  I heard this 3rd hand.  Whatever turned the tide amongst the 50 voters happened in week 16.  Josh struggled vs NE and only threw for 154 yards and had a QBR of 67.3.  

 

Meanwhile Lamar/Henry had a super game vs Pittsburgh and won big to take over the division. He only threw 23 times but tossed 3 TDs and had a 115.3 QBR.  The O had over 400 yards. 

 

I still don’t think Josh is completely cooked.  The Bills have a better record and better seed. They have some marquis wins and Allen has some of the best splash plays of the season on National tv.  Winning the AFC East with 5 weeks remaining and coasting down the stretch may have cost him however. We’ll see in a few weeks.

These voters have the memory of an actual goldfish. They can only remember whatever shiny thing they saw most recently. I blame Tik Tok...

Edited January 11 by DapperCam

[UKBillFan]

Just now, DapperCam said:

These votes have the memory of an actual goldfish. They can only remember whatever shiny thing they saw most recently. I blame Tik Tok...

 

I know I said it earlier tonight but that Patriots game will cost Josh. He wasn't even bad, just average for him. He was better against the Jets, but not to Rams/Lions level. He didn't need to be. As Lamar was building up a head of steam to try and win the division, Josh was treading water. It's a shame a couple of drops and a penalty took away from some spectacular plays in his last two games as well. 

[Chugga]

It’s a shame Vegas has moved so much.  This is what I expected the whole time.  Lamar would start in the pro bowl, get first team AP, and offensive player of the year, but Josh would get MVP due to the definitions of the awards.  I honestly thought we were all on the same page.  Apparently not.

 

While id really like Josh to win an MVP to cement his legacy, if he does walk away empty handed again, I like the fire that is going to bring to the divisional round and on.

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

Allen was the big favorite at seasons end per Vegas. Now almost a week after the season has ended the odds change and we have a new favorite. I’m going to take a guess that this is the first time in modern history we have seen MVP odds change almost a week after the end of the season.

 

Let’s remember it is the job of Vegas to get about even money on both sides. Not necessarily to predict the winner.

 

Nothing has changed and as many have pointed out, Lamar being named first team all pro was a pretty likely outcome. But now the public is going to poor a lot of money in on Lamar’s side if the odds did not adjust so Vegas has to adjust Lamar’s odds incase Lamar were to win. I doubt anyone is running to put money on Allen now but really now would be the time to do so.

[DabillsDaBillsDaBills]

1 hour ago, SaulGoodman said:

I think it could go either way. 
 

No doubt Lamar would trade all MVPs for one SB MVP. 

 

Would he? I'm honestly not so sure. 

 

Lamar isn't the most egregious stat-padder I've ever seen, but he's extremely stat conscious. I think the individual awards matter a lot more to him than he likes to admit to the public. 

 

Look at how Lamar handles plays where a turnover isn't the worst thing. For example: 3rd and long (outside FG range), 4th down attempts (with no open WR), or hail mary situations. Lamar would rather throw an incompletion or take a sack than risk an INT on a play like that. Josh almost seems to take joy in those kinds of plays and relishes chucking up low % deep balls. Josh has more "arm punts" over the last 2 seasons than Lamar has in his entire career. 

 

Then you can take a look at how long Lamar is left in blowout victories before being benched. 

 

Ravens up 41-10 with 8 minutes left against the Broncos still had Jackson and Henry in the game.

Ravens up 28-10 with 4 minutes left against the Browns still had Jackson and Henry in the game. 

Ironically in the Bills/Ravens game Josh was benched before Lamar was. 

[DCOrange]

38 minutes ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said:

 

Would he? I'm honestly not so sure. 

 

Lamar isn't the most egregious stat-padder I've ever seen, but he's extremely stat conscious. I think the individual awards matter a lot more to him than he likes to admit to the public. 

 

Look at how Lamar handles plays where a turnover isn't the worst thing. For example: 3rd and long (outside FG range), 4th down attempts (with no open WR), or hail mary situations. Lamar would rather throw an incompletion or take a sack than risk an INT on a play like that. Josh almost seems to take joy in those kinds of plays and relishes chucking up low % deep balls. Josh has more "arm punts" over the last 2 seasons than Lamar has in his entire career. 

 

Then you can take a look at how long Lamar is left in blowout victories before being benched. 

 

Ravens up 41-10 with 8 minutes left against the Broncos still had Jackson and Henry in the game.

Ravens up 28-10 with 4 minutes left against the Browns still had Jackson and Henry in the game. 

Ironically in the Bills/Ravens game Josh was benched before Lamar was. 

In those last 8 minutes against Denver, Lamar had one run for 1 yard and 0 pass attempts.

In those last 4 minutes against Cleveland, Lamar had 0 runs and 0 pass attempts.

In the last 11 minutes against Buffalo, Lamar had 0 runs and 1 pass attempt.

 

I don't think that 1 yard is what made the difference in the MVP race. Does it really matter if he's benched vs. just catching a shotgun snap and handing the ball to someone else?

 

He probably does care about individual awards, just like every other athlete does. Most just lie to the media because it isn't cool to say they care.

[DabillsDaBillsDaBills]

54 minutes ago, DCOrange said:

In those last 8 minutes against Denver, Lamar had one run for 1 yard and 0 pass attempts.

In those last 4 minutes against Cleveland, Lamar had 0 runs and 0 pass attempts.

In the last 11 minutes against Buffalo, Lamar had 0 runs and 1 pass attempt.

 

I don't think that 1 yard is what made the difference in the MVP race. Does it really matter if he's benched vs. just catching a shotgun snap and handing the ball to someone else?

 

He probably does care about individual awards, just like every other athlete does. Most just lie to the media because it isn't cool to say they care.

 

It's not EGREGIOUS, but I do think the Ravens and Harbaugh err on the side of pulling Lamar a drive too late rather than a drive too early. Whereas the Bills err on the side of pulling Josh a drive too early. 

 

Look at last season

 

Ravens up 42-19 with 7:55 left in the 4th Q against the Dolphins. Not only is Lamar still in the game, he's running the ball. There's 0% chance Josh would still be getting snaps in that game. 

 

Everything else being equal if McD and Josh were HC/QB for the Ravens I think Josh would've been benched at least 1 drive earlier in the Ravens wins against the Bills, Giants, Texans, Steelers, and Browns. I also doubt Josh would've gone back into the loss against the Eagles trailing 12-24 with 1 minute left in the 4th Q and no timeouts. Lamar racked up 70 yards and a TD in garbage time that game (the TD scored with 3 seconds left in the game). 

 

Lamar and the Ravens aren't as blatant about it as the peak Drew Brees Saints teams or the '07 Patriots, but they still run up the score/stats a bit

[UKBillFan]

7 hours ago, Chugga said:

It’s a shame Vegas has moved so much.  This is what I expected the whole time.  Lamar would start in the pro bowl, get first team AP, and offensive player of the year, but Josh would get MVP due to the definitions of the awards.  I honestly thought we were all on the same page.  Apparently not.

 

While id really like Josh to win an MVP to cement his legacy, if he does walk away empty handed again, I like the fire that is going to bring to the divisional round and on.

 

Josh has got first team Pro Bowl so it's 1-1 in terms of awards between that and All Pro.

[Buffalo03]

These MVP voters need to look at seasons as a whole. Not week to week. Allen went on a tear from the KC game until the Detroit game. He single handedly won the KC game with his TD run. But because he plays an average game against the Patriots, he loses his shot? It's beyond stupid. 

[Matt_In_NH]

I am normally someone who does not care about all this individual stuff.   I get you can look at stats and say Allen did not have the stats of Lamar or Burrow.  But last year he did (sans turnovers) and the story was yeah but the Ravens had more team wins.   It does seem like there is a bias against Allen.   Not to mention Lamar has not done well in good moments and Josh does.   Draft the QB's again, pretty sure Allen gets drafted over Jackson.  Just win the damn super bowl and hopefully beat Lamar on the way.

[thronethinker]

There is a narrative here being followed by the media and it is clear what it is when Voters go on TV and proclaim who they are voting for before the vote happens. This should result in banning that voter as it clearly isn't about the MVP anymore, it is about them getting facetime and more views because they have a vote in the matter. Going on media and saying I am voting for such and such before the vote actually happens, it is clear the vote is now about the voter and not the award.

 

Edited January 11 by thronethinker

[KingBoots8]

The only thing to do now is to stop worrying about it, and just shoot for the one they hand out on 2/9/25. Lamar can have 3x MVP but it won’t mean anything if Josh wins SB MVP.
 

Take care of the business in front of you. 4 more games.

[DCOrange]

6 hours ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said:

 

It's not EGREGIOUS, but I do think the Ravens and Harbaugh err on the side of pulling Lamar a drive too late rather than a drive too early. Whereas the Bills err on the side of pulling Josh a drive too early. 

 

Look at last season

 

Ravens up 42-19 with 7:55 left in the 4th Q against the Dolphins. Not only is Lamar still in the game, he's running the ball. There's 0% chance Josh would still be getting snaps in that game. 

 

Everything else being equal if McD and Josh were HC/QB for the Ravens I think Josh would've been benched at least 1 drive earlier in the Ravens wins against the Bills, Giants, Texans, Steelers, and Browns. I also doubt Josh would've gone back into the loss against the Eagles trailing 12-24 with 1 minute left in the 4th Q and no timeouts. Lamar racked up 70 yards and a TD in garbage time that game (the TD scored with 3 seconds left in the game). 

 

Lamar and the Ravens aren't as blatant about it as the peak Drew Brees Saints teams or the '07 Patriots, but they still run up the score/stats a bit

Honestly given Baltimore's penchant for choking leads away in the most unimaginable ways, feel like it makes sense that they may leave the starters in one extra drive lol. 

[zow2]

The regular season MVP has been voted on and it’s over. No media outlet or person can influence the decision anymore. With that being said, odds for Super Bowl MVP as of this morning.

 

Mahomes +400

Goff  +550

Allen +650

Lamar +700

Hurts   +1500

Gibbs   +1500

Saquon  +1700

[SoonerBillsFan]

10 hours ago, zow2 said:

I know someone who knows an MVP voter.  This voter hinted after the Bills/Detroit game that Allen was going to win it.  I heard this 3rd hand.  Whatever turned the tide amongst the 50 voters happened in week 16.  Josh struggled vs NE and only threw for 154 yards and had a QBR of 67.3.  

 

Meanwhile Lamar/Henry had a super game vs Pittsburgh and won big to take over the division. He only threw 23 times but tossed 3 TDs and had a 115.3 QBR.  The O had over 400 yards. 

 

I still don’t think Josh is completely cooked.  The Bills have a better record and better seed. They have some marquis wins and Allen has some of the best splash plays of the season on National tv.  Winning the AFC East with 5 weeks remaining and coasting down the stretch may have cost him however. We’ll see in a few weeks.

This inconsistency is still hurting Josh. You can't play like crap against a **** team like NE.

2 minutes ago, zow2 said:

The regular season MVP has been voted on and it’s over. No media outlet or person can influence the decision anymore. With that being said, odds for Super Bowl MVP as of this morning.

 

Mahomes +400

Goff  +550

Allen +650

Lamar +700

Hurts   +1500

Gibbs   +1500

Saquon  +1700

I pray we crush KC

[4merper4mer]

6 minutes ago, zow2 said:

The regular season MVP has been voted on and it’s over. No media outlet or person can influence the decision anymore. With that being said, odds for Super Bowl MVP as of this morning.

 

Mahomes +400

Goff  +550

Allen +650

Lamar +700

Hurts   +1500

Gibbs   +1500

Saquon  +1700

Simply looking at the odds and who might be the best value from that group………Gibbs.  I wonder about Cook’s number along with Henry.  Those  would be good value as well.

[Matt_In_NH]

38 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

This inconsistency is still hurting Josh. You can't play like crap against a **** team like NE

What a complete nonsense post.  Explain Lamar's stats in the link below vs Pitt this year.

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/202411170pit.htm