MVP hype for Allen

[Ralonzo]

1 hour ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said:

Yet Lamar literally had mid-league numbers last year and won the MVP in a landslide.  Could probably swallow Lamar winning this year if he wasn't essentially gifted it last year.  He had 29 total TDs last year for goodness sake.

 

I'd say the most valuable player (MVP) is the player that, if an opponent dedicated all priority to shutting down and succeeded in producing from him a subpar performance, would most negatively impact that team's chances of winning the game. Which makes sense. But how do you quantify that?

 

If you were a defensive coordinator it would be a question of: who is the #1 object of your weekly game plan for that team? The MVP voters aren't coordinators, they are game-watchers and stat-checkers. That said, if stats are your focus, the stats say the MVP of the Baltimore Ravens is Derrick Henry. When he's been contained as described above in 2024, the Ravens are batting .286, which is fine for the Orioles but illustrates a narrative requiring more than a modicum of doublethink to simultaneously claim Lamar is MVP of the league yet not even his own team.

[Kirby Jackson]

45 minutes ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:

First of all no one is arguing that his numbers aren't amazing. Secondly, there is only 1 winner and it's a choice between the 2. So you have to pick one. You can't say so and so is deserving too that's a copout. Josh is deserving this season. 

As an aside, regarding the Ravens, alot of people still don't trust this team and LJ in particular if the system has a malfunction. Like someone slows them down running early and manages to put some points up and they have to play catchup. When everything goes according to plan they can stomp people. But, I don't know of many people who feel the same about LJ as they do Patrick or Josh as to whether he can bring a team back with his arm and passing acumen. He does much, much better when he has wide open receivers and the running game is cooking.

Lol, I said, “obviously I’d vote for Josh.” The point is, “it’s perfectly reasonable for someone else to prefer Lamar. He is deserving this year.” 

[Kelly to Allen]

53 minutes ago, BeastMaster said:

I'm still trying to figure out how 49 out of 50 voters placed their vote for Lamar last season when his numbers were so far off from past MVP's that it was laughable. The Ravens were the best defense in the league last season, and that was what drove their record.

 

They made a mockery of the award last season, so I now no longer have any expectations as to who will get it and what it's based on.

 

I'm placing a bet on Lamar so at least I can make some money if Josh gets screwed again by these writers

 

We really gonna have legacy media in this era say Lamar has 3 MVPs before a 3rd playoff win and Allen zero MVPs 

 

Lmfao 😂 

 

I can't wait for the playoffs 

 

What an incredible joke.

 

Again no QB has ever in NFL history won a 3rd MVP before winning a super bowl 

 

No QB not top 10 in passing tds or passing yds has ever won MVP....

 

Josh Allen most tds, yds, and wins in first 7 Years all time ever 

 

Josh Allen has the second most tds in NFL history for a QB in his first ten playoff games 

 

Allen already has more playoff PASSING TOUCHDOWNS than Eli and Rivers in their entire career lol

 

Allen MVPs 0

Lamar MVPs 3

 

🤡🤡🤡

Edited 11 hours ago by Kelly to Allen

[Billznut]

2 hours ago, UKBillFan said:

 

Pity that wasn't the case last year.

 

I said at the time the New England game really hurt him. People didn't really seem to believe it.

Yep that’s the moment it all changed. It’s been a snowball rolling down the mountain, gaining steam by the talking heads for Lamar ever since. 

[Process]

9 minutes ago, BillytheKid said:

That’s only on Bovada. Everywhere else still has Josh favored. Wouldn’t worry about it. 

You're looking at old information. Please share where you are seeing LIVE odds that have Allen as favorite.

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

https://apnews.com/article/nfl-all-pro-2024-888c24e48accae0aed78547a22562331

 

Along with being great bulletin board material and the Broncos upset hopes being dimininshed this is all you need to look at. We got like next to NO votes at all! For those of you who think it's perfectly reasonable that LJ is MVP. He's surrounded by the best roster in football and the Bills have one of the worst. Yet JA, with stats almost as good and in some cases better( turnovers, sacks) dragged this bunch of JAGs to a better record all year. THATS THE MVP!

[loveorhatembillsfan4life]

 Is it just me that feels like over the past few seasons  there has been this constant over zealous love fest with Lamar and the need to prop him up? He is a great Qb, but people have gone nuts  in their need to make a case for his MVP.
 

But all things considering I still believe his incredible year of stats should point to offensive player of the year. I know it won’t. 

 

To me 

MVP, 

what is the team around you?

Signature wins?

Mvp moments

I also know there are deeper stats that show how efficient Josh has been this season.

It just feels like Josh is always fighting an uphill battle. 

 

 

 

I like Lamar, he is fun to watch. But if you tell me he is going to be a 3 time MVP this season, with all those Probowlers  , and the hype he’s getting, He better show up and win a Super Bowl .

 

 

 

Edited 11 hours ago by loveorhatembillsfan4life

[Scott7975]

Its last year that skews all this for me.  Its also the fact that you cant tell me Lamar is so valuable that he is worth 3 MVPs to Mahomes 2 and Josh and Burrows 0. In no world does that make any sense at all.  Dont come at me with the turnover argument. I dont want to hear it. I dont give a crap about some ints when some of them werent even his fault and he also has a ton of tds. Lamar wasnt even top 10 in passing last season. I dont wanna hear it. Its been argued to death.

 

Dude has pro bowlers all over his team and a HOF RB that makes teams play different. Meanwhile Josh is making a name out of a special teams player that no one even knew existed.

1 hour ago, Process said:

Lamar will continue to rewrite history as long as he's in the league. He's special. 

 

Yes. First guy to win an MVP while not even being top 10 in passing. First guy to win 3 MVP awards before he even wins 3 playoff games. First guy in forever to win an MVP as a #3 seed.

[Kelly to Allen]

@Biscuit_97

@SaulGoodman  

What are your thoughts because bills fans are going wild on Twitter lol

Edited 11 hours ago by Kelly to Allen

[zow2]

The MVP votes were cast a couple days ago. All the great arguments for Allen here and online mean nothing now. The voting is done. 

 

Mangini on TV said he thinks Josh lost it with 3 games remaining.  He had lousy numbers vs a terrible NE club and Lamar and the Ravens showed out and pounded the Steelers for the division. 

 

Nick Wright said Lamar winning it last year with so-so numbers not close to Dak’s numbers is the same as Allen’s path this season.  He said if they are going on “valuable” in MVP it points to Josh.

[Kelly to Allen]

34 minutes ago, loveorhatembillsfan4life said:

 Is it just me that feels like over the past few seasons  there has been this constant over zealous love fest with Lamar and the need to prop him up? He is a great Qb, but people have gone nuts  in their need to make a case for his MVP.
 

But all things considering I still believe his incredible year of stats should point to offensive player of the year. I know it won’t. 

 

To me 

MVP, 

what is the team around you?

Signature wins?

Mvp moments

I also know there are deeper stats that show how efficient Josh has been this season.

It just feels like Josh is always fighting an uphill battle. 

 

 

 

I like Lamar, he is fun to watch. But if you tell me he is going to be a 3 time MVP this season, with all those Probowlers  , and the hype he’s getting, He better show up and win a Super Bowl .

 

 

 

 

All the glory and adoration should be in the direction of mahomes. So it is extremely bizzare 

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

Shouldn't be surprised; look how long for Allen just to get people on our own message board to come around on him and appreciate his value.  We had some prominent members on this board wanting to trade him in the offseason.  

Edited 11 hours ago by Lieutenant Aldo Raine

[Mikie2times]

1 minute ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said:

Shouldn't be surprised; look how long for Allen just to get people on our own message board to come around on him and appreciate his value.  We had some prominent members on this board wanting to trade him in the offseason.  

Who?

[Kangaxx]

I blame this on Bill Polian.

[Buryravens]

No shame in losing out to Lamar. He probably had a top 4 year all time. 

[transplantbillsfan]

3 hours ago, Chaos said:

I am sure it is discussed earlier in the thread.  Is there an agreed up definition of "most valuable". 

In other sports outside of the USA, the term "player of the year" is more common than "most valuable".

It seems like Bills fans (me included) want to deduct points from Jackson, for having a better supporting cast than Allen. But I am not sure that is reasonable. 

It seems to me that the currency in the NFL for success is "wins".   And that the "most valuable" player is the player whose season would have contributed the most wins to any NFL whose roster they were added too.  Its a complicated task to assess all 32 teams.   For example, would either Allen or Jackson, have made the lions better than 14-3, or the Eagles better than 14-3.     How many more wins would the Broncos have with either of them added? Would the Bengals have won more games with either of them rather than Burrows?  Same question for Chiefs/Mahomes.    I think if you go through the league, you find that adding either Allen or Jackson would have similar impact on any team they were added too.  

I think in the end, MVP voters are probably looking at tiebreakers between Allen and Jackson, similar to team tiebreakers.   Head to Head, and strength of schedule beeing two of them.  Jackson won the head to head.  Ravens had the 8th hardest SOS.  The Bills had the 27th hardest schedule.   Both of those pretty strongly favor Jackson as "player of the year"

But if the phrase means tell me the player i want to build my franchise around, its still Allen or 15-1 Mahomes, both far ahead of Jackson. 



 

 

[Kangaxx]

How do we allow so many Ravens fans masquerading as Bills fans in this forum? 

[The Wiz]

4 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Voters are going to vote who they like better between Lamar and Allen despite the voters getting clear instructions on how to vote.

 

Replace Allen with Mahomes and I'm pretty sure everyone here would want Lamar to win it over Mahomes because we don't like Mahomes winning. 

[No_Matter_What]

3 hours ago, Billsfanatic8989 said:

Yeah I'm starting to think Allen is not going to win MVP. I wasn't thinking that way until this all pro list became available.

Agreed, it is happening. I didn't think so before but I do now.

 

Anyway, if anything, this All Pro voting should cement him as the MVP, not the opposite.

 

Number of All Pros other than QB - Ravens 5, Bills 0

Player that got at least 1 All Pro votes - Ravens 12, Bills 5

 

But yeah, Lamar is the MVP.

Edited 10 hours ago by No_Matter_What

[Mikie2times]

16 minutes ago, Buryravens said:

No shame in losing out to Lamar. He probably had a top 4 year all time. 

Says 9 post Ravens troll