MVP hype for Allen

[Mat68]

I think Allen wins and it’s all but over.  Jackson has to play to secure the division.  Allen locked his up a month ago.  Better record less talent around him.  Take into account fumbles Allen has less turnovers.  Jackson is having a fantastic season.  Having the leading rusher in the conference has greatly helped that.   

[Magox]

I believe Chris Simms is an MVP voter and he said this a few days ago:

 

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In a crowded MVP race between Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow, and Saquon Barkley, Chris Simms believes Josh Allen's ability to do "special things" in major moments should get him over the edge this year. Simms: Bills' Allen deserves NFL MVP award

https://sports.yahoo.com/simms-bills-allen-deserves-nfl-133929477.html#:~:text=In a crowded MVP race,Allen deserves NFL MVP award

 

 

Mike Florio, another MVP voter said something interesting and stupid.   Can't believe any would do this but if that is the case, Allen is the huge favorite.

 

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Mike Florio thinks voters will factor in MVP betting odds and that they ‘don’t want to look stupid’

 

https://awfulannouncing.com/nfl/mike-florio-mvp-race-voters-betting-odds-josh-allen-lamar-jackson.html

 

Dave Birkett who writes for Detroit press and MVP voter said that Josh had cemented his place as the MPV after the game Detroit played against the Bills.

 

 

https://www.pressreader.com/usa/detroit-free-press/20241217/281908778743671?srsltid=AfmBOor1RbrEX56xY0Fs4pxceSlJ172YzvT2hK7mZPoGsO9W1SSfy5cr

 

Teddi Bruschi another MVP voter has said this throughout the year on Allen and Saquon

 

 

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Bruschi has said that if Saquon Barkley wants to win MVP, he needs to break Eric Dickerson's 1984 rushing record of 2,105 yards. Bruschi has said that if Barkley does that, he would be his number one choice for MVP, followed by Josh Allen. 

Josh Allen is the best player in the league

Bruschi has said that Josh Allen is the best player in the league

 

 

About 3 weeks ago, Boomer Esiason another MVP voter said that Josh took over as MVP frontrunner

 

https://www.audacy.com/podcast/the-greg-hill-show-23f31/episodes/boomer-esiason-joins-says-josh-allen-took-over-as-front-runner-for-mvp-fff01

 

 

[strive_for_five_guy]

4 minutes ago, Magox said:

I believe Chris Simms is an MVP voter and he said this a few days ago:

 

https://sports.yahoo.com/simms-bills-allen-deserves-nfl-133929477.html#:~:text=In a crowded MVP race,Allen deserves NFL MVP award

 

 

Mike Florio, another MVP voter said something interesting and stupid.   Can't believe any would do this but if that is the case, Allen is the huge favorite.

 

 

https://awfulannouncing.com/nfl/mike-florio-mvp-race-voters-betting-odds-josh-allen-lamar-jackson.html

 

Dave Birkett who writes for Detroit press and MVP voter said that Josh had cemented his place as the MPV after the game Detroit played against the Bills.

 

 

https://www.pressreader.com/usa/detroit-free-press/20241217/281908778743671?srsltid=AfmBOor1RbrEX56xY0Fs4pxceSlJ172YzvT2hK7mZPoGsO9W1SSfy5cr

 

Teddi Bruschi another MVP voter has said this throughout the year on Allen and Saquon

 

 

 

About 3 weeks ago, Boomer Esiason another MVP voter said that Josh took over as MVP frontrunner

 

https://www.audacy.com/podcast/the-greg-hill-show-23f31/episodes/boomer-esiason-joins-says-josh-allen-took-over-as-front-runner-for-mvp-fff01

 

 

I don’t have the time to do it, but it’d be awesome if someone had a running tally of the known MVP voters, and the latest on who they’ve said is their MVP vote.

[Ya Digg?]

1 hour ago, The Wiz said:

 

This is the part that worries me the most because of this weekend.  Mike Giardi was on Buffalo Plus this week and flat out said that he knows that there are some voters that don't watch the games and just look at the stats online.  Giving someone a vote that doesn't even watch the games is laughable to me.

You’re misunderstanding what he said. The NFL isn’t giving votes to people who don’t watch any of the games. Let’s not make the NFL and the voters out to be complete idiots. The voters probably don’t watch EVERY game, which honestly is understandable. Which by the way, that’s how it’s always been. I’m willing to bet that the people who vote watch a decent amount of football 

[Big Turk]

1 hour ago, Magox said:

I believe Chris Simms is an MVP voter and he said this a few days ago:

 

https://sports.yahoo.com/simms-bills-allen-deserves-nfl-133929477.html#:~:text=In a crowded MVP race,Allen deserves NFL MVP award

 

 

Mike Florio, another MVP voter said something interesting and stupid.   Can't believe any would do this but if that is the case, Allen is the huge favorite.

 

 

https://awfulannouncing.com/nfl/mike-florio-mvp-race-voters-betting-odds-josh-allen-lamar-jackson.html

 

Dave Birkett who writes for Detroit press and MVP voter said that Josh had cemented his place as the MPV after the game Detroit played against the Bills.

 

 

https://www.pressreader.com/usa/detroit-free-press/20241217/281908778743671?srsltid=AfmBOor1RbrEX56xY0Fs4pxceSlJ172YzvT2hK7mZPoGsO9W1SSfy5cr

 

Teddi Bruschi another MVP voter has said this throughout the year on Allen and Saquon

 

 

 

About 3 weeks ago, Boomer Esiason another MVP voter said that Josh took over as MVP frontrunner

 

https://www.audacy.com/podcast/the-greg-hill-show-23f31/episodes/boomer-esiason-joins-says-josh-allen-took-over-as-front-runner-for-mvp-fff01

 

 

 

Wow...Allen is also about to win the MPV - "Multi Passenger Vehicle" Award now too??  Damn....dude is really cleaning up this year... 😂😂

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

 

1 hour ago, Magox said:

I believe Chris Simms is an MVP voter and he said this a few days ago:

 

https://sports.yahoo.com/simms-bills-allen-deserves-nfl-133929477.html#:~:text=In a crowded MVP race,Allen deserves NFL MVP award

 

 

Mike Florio, another MVP voter said something interesting and stupid.   Can't believe any would do this but if that is the case, Allen is the huge favorite.

 

 

https://awfulannouncing.com/nfl/mike-florio-mvp-race-voters-betting-odds-josh-allen-lamar-jackson.html

 

Dave Birkett who writes for Detroit press and MVP voter said that Josh had cemented his place as the MPV after the game Detroit played against the Bills.

 

 

https://www.pressreader.com/usa/detroit-free-press/20241217/281908778743671?srsltid=AfmBOor1RbrEX56xY0Fs4pxceSlJ172YzvT2hK7mZPoGsO9W1SSfy5cr

 

Teddi Bruschi another MVP voter has said this throughout the year on Allen and Saquon

 

 

 

About 3 weeks ago, Boomer Esiason another MVP voter said that Josh took over as MVP frontrunner

 

https://www.audacy.com/podcast/the-greg-hill-show-23f31/episodes/boomer-esiason-joins-says-josh-allen-took-over-as-front-runner-for-mvp-fff01

 

 

I actually don’t think Mike Florio is too far off. How else do we explain Lamar Jackson receiving 49 out of 50 1st place votes last year?

 

The lone voter who did not vote for Lamar cast his first place vote for Josh Allen. I recall he received a lot of heat from other media members because of that.

Edited Friday at 05:48 PM by Sammy Watkins' Rib

[zow2]

20 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

 

I actually don’t think Mike Florio is too far off. How else do we explain Lamar Jackson receiving 49 out of 50 1st place votes last year?

 

The lone voter who did not vote for Lamar cast his first place vote for Josh Allen. I recall he received a lot of heat from other media members because of that.

 

I've put some things together over the past couple seasons from articles and interviews about the MVP process....and my conclusion is no one is going out on a limb to vote for a guy that really has no chance to win.  Apparently it's a bad look. That automatically eliminates Burrow, Barkley, Darnold and Goff.     The person what went rogue and voted Josh for 1st place in 2023 really was a maverick.   You may have a couple more loners this season that vote for Lamar, but this race is over.  It's going to be Allen in a landslide.  We are going to celebrate the greatest individual award an NFL player can win.....and Lamar fans are going to go crazy and wonder how/why Josh won 95% of the first place votes.  

Edited Friday at 06:08 PM by zow2

[DapperCam]

2 minutes ago, zow2 said:

 

I've put some things together over the past couple seasons from articles and interviews about the MVP process....and my conclusion is no one is going out on a limb to vote for a guy that really has no chance to win.  Apparently it's a bad look. That automatically eliminates Burrow, Barkley, Darnold and Goff.     The person what went rogue and voted Josh for 1st place in 2023 really was a maverick.   You may have a couple more loners this season that vote for Lamar, but this race is over.  It's going to be Allen in a landslide.  We are going to celebrate the greatest individual award an NFL player can win.....and Lamar fans are going to go crazy and wonder how/why Josh won 95% of the first place votes.  

There is absolutely a hive mind thing going on where people vote who they think they “should” vote, and who their peers will vote for.

 

If you locked people in a room and made them watch an 8 hour presentation on the 2023 MVP candidates and then had them vote without any interaction with each other there is no way Lamar almost wins unanimously. He might not even win in that scenario.

 

This year people “should” vote for Allen, so he will win in a landslide. The invisible hand of sports media has spoken.

[zow2]

6 minutes ago, DapperCam said:

There is absolutely a hive mind thing going on where people vote who they think they “should” vote, and who their peers will vote for.

 

If you locked people in a room and made them watch an 8 hour presentation on the 2023 MVP candidates and then had them vote without any interaction with each other there is no way Lamar almost wins unanimously. He might not even win in that scenario.

 

This year people “should” vote for Allen, so he will win in a landslide. The invisible hand of sports media has spoken.

 

Acho had a good segment on his show a month or so ago.  He was making the case for Allen,  and said you can tell the story of the NFL up to this moment, and never mention the name of Josh Allen.  He went on to talk about how Josh is the first player in NFL history to do this, or do that, and all his amazing accomplishments.  but without a Super Bowl win, or an MVP there's no reason to ever bring up his name after his career ends.  Acho said the man deserves the highest honor based on what he's done this season and 50 years from now he deserves to be talked about. 

 

So when people say the MVP "doesn't matter", or "who cares".  That's nonsense.   We all like the man, and can't thank him enough for what he's done for Buffalo and the Bills. Winning this award will change how people view JA17 for the rest of his life and beyond.

 

 

[strive_for_five_guy]

18 minutes ago, DapperCam said:

There is absolutely a hive mind thing going on where people vote who they think they “should” vote, and who their peers will vote for.

 

If you locked people in a room and made them watch an 8 hour presentation on the 2023 MVP candidates and then had them vote without any interaction with each other there is no way Lamar almost wins unanimously. He might not even win in that scenario.

 

This year people “should” vote for Allen, so he will win in a landslide. The invisible hand of sports media has spoken.

I agree that a hive mind often exists, I’ll actually be surprised if Josh wins MVP in a landslide.  A few voters have already gone on record this week that they’re leaning Lamar (Mina Kimes, Dianna Russini, at least one of the Athletic voters), so unless Lamar is horrible tomorrow, they’ll likely still vote Lamar.  There’s a lot of voters that just haven’t gone on record, so some may feel the same about Lamar’s stats being arguably better than Josh’s, even though most of us Bills’ fans know all the reasons why Josh is the better MVP candidate this year.  I think Josh wins it, but I don’t think it’ll be a landslide.

 

Saquon for OPOY is a great example where hive mind exists though, IMO.  Yes, he’s only the 8th RB in history to rush for 2,000 yards, but if we want to play the stats game, well for all those touting the historical greatness of Lamar’s stats, I think one could argue he is just as deserving for OPOY.  But this hive mind thought says that OPOY is carved out for the skill players in recent years.  Who says that needs to be the case?

[FireChans]

7 minutes ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

I agree that a hive mind often exists, I’ll actually be surprised if Josh wins MVP in a landslide.  A few voters have already gone on record this week that they’re leaning Lamar (Mina Kimes, Dianna Russini, at least one of the Athletic voters), so unless Lamar is horrible tomorrow, they’ll likely still vote Lamar.  There’s a lot of voters that just haven’t gone on record, so some may feel the same about Lamar’s stats being arguably better than Josh’s, even though most of us Bills’ fans know all the reasons why Josh is the better MVP candidate this year.  I think Josh wins it, but I don’t think it’ll be a landslide.

 

Saquon for OPOY is a great example where hive mind exists though, IMO.  Yes, he’s only the 8th RB in history to rush for 2,000 yards, but if we want to play the stats game, well for all those touting the historical greatness of Lamar’s stats, I think one could argue he is just as deserving for OPOY.  But this hive mind thought says that OPOY is carved out for the skill players in recent years.  Who says that needs to be the case?

OPOY is a skill position award because it’s near impossible for a skill position player to win MVP.

[strive_for_five_guy]

1 minute ago, FireChans said:

OPOY is a skill position award because it’s near impossible for a skill position player to win MVP.

That illustrates my point.  That’s what the hive mind has convinced themselves of, but the award is for the offensive player deemed to have had the most outstanding season.  It doesn’t have to go to a skill player, but all the voters are going to vote for Saquon because they know they’ll be chastised if they don’t.

[Fleezoid]

If Lamar puts up a big game this week, he'll be the MVP. Allen will play about 3 snaps and recency is all the matters. 

[FireChans]

4 minutes ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

That illustrates my point.  That’s what the hive mind has convinced themselves of, but the award is for the offensive player deemed to have had the most outstanding season.  It doesn’t have to go to a skill player, but all the voters are going to vote for Saquon because they know they’ll be chastised if they don’t.

It's not what the hive mind has convinced themselves of. It's the way it is.

 

It should go to a skill position player because their opportunity for MVP is completely limited.

 

They could just go full hockey and call it "Best QB" and "best skill position player" awards. They don't but that's effectively how it goes and imo it should be that way. I don't think it's appropriate for a QB to win both MVP and OPOY.

[Scott7975]

 

[Mat68]

35 minutes ago, Fleezoid said:

If Lamar puts up a big game this week, he'll be the MVP. Allen will play about 3 snaps and recency is all the matters. 

He didnt have to play.  Jackson did. Has 8 pro bowlers and Allen had 1 with a better record.  Its over.

[SaulGoodman]

22 hours ago, Kelly to Allen said:

Mahomes not making the pro bowl is a clown 🤡 show 

 

@SaulGoodman

 

Meh....mostly a stats award and the other three had better stats this year. 

 

I think I read that Bo Nix rec'd more fan votes though. Now that's a clown show. 

[Ralonzo]

53 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

 

What I've learned from Twitter is that any stat that exists where Lamar isn't leading is not a legit metric for QBs.

[Fleezoid]

Stumbled across this. Didn't see it anywhere else. Pretty good. Video quality a little lacking.

 

 

[RobbRiddick]

Have to say, after looking at the platform formerly known as Twitter, I am officially bored of the whole MVP discussion. Ravens and Bills fans all canvassing like it's a presidential campaign. So much so that it's become REALLY petty at this point with the stuff each group is saying about the other team's player.

 

I really wanted Josh to get MVP but now I really don't care