MVP hype for Allen

[jethro_tull]

From AI: Most valuable player (MVP) is an award given to a player who is considered to be the best or most important player on a team, in a league, or for a particular competition. The award recognizes a player's individual performance and contribution to the team's success. 

MVP can also be used more generally to describe someone who has done something exceptional or important, especially to the success of a group or cause. 

 

       So how do you define the value of the player?  Statistics can be important to help define a player's value- but are just one measure.  The value of stats can also be overrated because they have no situational meaning or context.  

Wins are what matters most- how valuable was the player in helping the team win and how many wins were achieved?  Wins are super important.  

 

Case in point (1)- Of the two leading MVP candidates, Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson, Allen's team currently has 13 wins and Lamar Jackson's team has 11 wins.  Big edge to Josh Allen.  

 

       Another way to define a player's value is to understand his contribution to winning vs. the contribution of other individual players on his team.  Is the MVP candidate truly carrying his team to win more often- or does he have help?  Does the team have another superstar to greatly help them win? 

I love the way James Cook runs the ball and helps the Bills win.  However Derrick Henry is a tried and true superstar running back who greatly helps not only the Ravens to win games, but he greatly helps Lamar Jackson to be successful.  He helps the offense to be ahead of the down and distance battle which often makes it easy for the Ravens to possess the ball, put long drives together, get into the red zone  and score points.  Henry makes Lamar Jackson's life much easier.  

 

Case in point (2)- The Bills have a very good supporting cast that helps Josh Allen to be successful but Lamar Jackson has a bona fide Superstar runner in Derrick Henry.  Huge advantage to Josh Allen being more valuable to his team's success because the Bills do not have a Superstar player to help him.  

  

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Edited December 30, 2024 by jethro_tull

[Success]

Gotta say - Ravens fans online are pathetic.

 

If Allen had 2 already - and he didn't really show up in the playoffs - I'd be totally happy in that regard, and would just want a SB title.  The fans I see online are so invested, and 100% about the stats.  

 

 

 

Edited December 30, 2024 by Success

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

5 minutes ago, Success said:

Gotta say - Ravens fans online are pathetic.

 

If Allen had 2 already - and he didn't really show up in the playoffs - I'd be totally happy in that regard, and would just want a SB title.  The fans I see online are so invested, and 100% about the stats.  

 

 

 

The comments on the Amari td video saying things like ‘I thought Josh doesn’t have weapons?’ are so funny haha that fanbase is embarrassing.  Amari hardly played. 

Edited December 30, 2024 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[ColoradoBills]

3 hours ago, H2o said:

Josh has another 3 TD's, the Bills lock up the #2 seed, and he has another 3 or 4 "only Josh Allen" type of plays. There's nothing left to prove. If they don't give it to him? Whatever. 

 

Exactly.  Josh has done everything needed to be an MVP.  Now it's left to the voters.

[Buffalo Junction]

I kind of hope he doesn’t win it, but wins the SB and SB MVP after beating KC and Balt in the playoffs…. Then rocks that medallion during the SB postgame interviews…. and anytime the medallion is mentioned JA17 says, “Talk to my O-line.” Just win the ring and diss the AP afterwards. 

[Chugga]

3 minutes ago, Success said:

Gotta say - Ravens fans online are pathetic.

 

If Allen had 2 already - and he didn't really show up in the playoffs - I'd be totally happy in that regard, and would just want a SB title.  The fans I see online are so invested, and 100% about the stats.  

 

 

 

I’ve generally never had issues with Ravens fans and I’m sure there are still plenty of great ones out there.  But it has been startling how they have flipped their own script it’s borderline comical.  Can you imagine these sentences….

 

”of course they are pushing his rushing TDs”

 

and

 

”yeah but look at his passing TDs”

 

….coming out of any ravens fans mouths a year ago?  Lamar is having a historical season and I take nothing away from the guy.  But so is Josh.  And seeing the arguments Ravens fans are choosing to utilize is WILD.

[BRH]

26 minutes ago, Punch said:

Manning and McNair each recieved 16 votes, hence the tie. Ranked voting (1-5) was introduced last year so I think it'll be virtually impossible for a tie now.

 

I don’t like the 1-5 setup unless voters are required to make their votes public.

 

Too much room for someone to put their guy first and drop the other guy down to 3, 4, or even 5.

[Process]

33 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

The award is based on 50 voters. To be co-MVP it would have to be 25-25. 

Not that simple. Voters give their top 5 votes are awarded based on that. It's technically possible for the players who gets the most first place votes to lose. 

 

A tie should be impossible. 

[rajinka]

15 minutes ago, jethro_tull said:

From AI: Most valuable player (MVP) is an award given to a player who is considered to be the best or most important player on a team, in a league, or for a particular competition. The award recognizes a player's individual performance and contribution to the team's success. 

MVP can also be used more generally to describe someone who has done something exceptional or important, especially to the success of a group or cause. 

 

       So how do you define the value of the player?  Statistics can be important to help define a player's value- but are just one measure.  The value of stats can also be overrated because they have no situational meaning or context.  

Wins are what matters most- how valuable was the player in helping the team win and how many wins were achieved?  Wins are super important.  

 

Case in point (1)- Of the two leading MVP candidates, Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson, Allen's team currently has 13 wins and Lamar Jackson's team has 11 wins.  Big edge to Josh Allen.  

 

       Another way to define a player's value is to understand his contribution to winning vs. the contribution of other individual players on his team.  Is the MVP candidate truly carrying his team to win more often- or does he have help?  Does the team have another superstar to greatly help them win? 

I love the way James Cook runs the ball and helps the Bills win.  However Derrick Henry is a tried and true superstar running back who greatly helps not only the Ravens to win games, but he greatly helps Lamar Jackson to be successful.  He helps the offense to be ahead of the down and distance battle which often makes it easy for the Ravens to possess the ball, put long drives together, get into the red zone  and score points.  Henry makes Lamar Jackson's life much easier.  

 

Case in point (2)- The Bills have a very good supporting cast that helps Josh Allen to be successful but Lamar Jackson has a bona fide Superstar runner in Derrick Henry.  Huge advantage to Josh Allen being more valuable to his team's success because the Bills do not have a Superstar player to help him.  

  

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That's what's so frustrating about everyone's mvp argument. They just look at stats,  it's deeper then that

16 minutes ago, Success said:

Gotta say - Ravens fans online are pathetic.

 

If Allen had 2 already - and he didn't really show up in the playoffs - I'd be totally happy in that regard, and would just want a SB title.  The fans I see online are so invested, and 100% about the stats.  

 

 

 

But last year it was wins.  Stats didn't matter.  

[NickelCity]

Giving it to Lamar this year would only make last year more ridiculous. It would call the voting into question.

[SUNTANBILLS FAN]

Let’s not forget this is like the 4 th game he has not basically played the 4th quarter. A whole game his stats would be better if he played the whole game and it meant something.

[Warcodered]

2 minutes ago, NickelCity said:

Giving it to Lamar this year would only make last year more ridiculous. It would call the voting into question.

Not to mention how he embarrassed them in the Playoffs, that award was awkward as hell after he laid a damn egg.

[UKBillFan]

2 minutes ago, SUNTANBILLS FAN said:

Let’s not forget this is like the 4 th game he has not basically played the 4th quarter. A whole game his stats would be better if he played the whole game and it meant something.

A valid argument, but how much game time has Jackson missed in comparison? Has he been benched at all in blow outs?

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

20 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

A valid argument, but how much game time has Jackson missed in comparison? Has he been benched at all in blow outs?

A comparable amount I’d say…while Lamar is in an obvious win situation the ravens seem like they run the full offense though.  Bills and most other teams seem more interested in running out the clock than Baltimore does 

[Scott7975]

9 hours ago, Motorin' said:

 

Lamar has played 100 more snaps this year. 

 

For the last three days the media has been comparing Lamar's stats having played nearly two extra games worth of plays. 

 

I could care less about the MVP. But the stupidity being expressed for biased reasons is infuriating. 

 

 

Another thing I see as a roadblock is Lamar is still fighting for a division win against the Browns next week. Josh will be sitting on the bench. You know how half the voters are just the last thing they see type of voters. They dont go back and look. At best they will look at some box scores.

7 hours ago, TrentEdwardsCheckDownOn4th said:

Does anyone not want allen to win MVP? 

 

I'm just envisioning a world where allen loses MVP and is facing lamar in the divisional round. Not that he needs it but could you imagine the extra motivation it would give josh. And on the flip side, the immense pressure jackson would be under after winning his 3rd MVP facing the man many thought should have won the award.

 

They dont announce the award until after the playoffs.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

2 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

Another thing I see as a roadblock is Lamar is still fighting for a division win against the Browns next week. Josh will be sitting on the bench. You know how half the voters are just the last thing they see type of voters. They dont go back and look. At best they will look at some box scores.

I think thats a negative for Lamar honestly…a painful reminder they blew a couple more games than other teams 

[MDH]

50 minutes ago, Buffalo Junction said:

I kind of hope he doesn’t win it, but wins the SB and SB MVP after beating KC and Balt in the playoffs…. Then rocks that medallion during the SB postgame interviews…. and anytime the medallion is mentioned JA17 says, “Talk to my O-line.” Just win the ring and diss the AP afterwards. 

I mean, I totally hope he wins the SB and SB MVP. But given that there’s a small percentage chance that happens, l’ll take the MVP as a sort of consolation prize.

[Patrick Duffy]

32 minutes ago, NickelCity said:

Giving it to Lamar this year would only make last year more ridiculous. It would call the voting into question.

I would already call it into question myself...

[zow2]

34 minutes ago, SUNTANBILLS FAN said:

Let’s not forget this is like the 4 th game he has not basically played the 4th quarter. A whole game his stats would be better if he played the whole game and it meant something.

 

I’ve been wondering if the voters notice that or if they are given that information before they vote?  Do they just trust that the voters watch the games and highlights? i have no idea.  

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

36 minutes ago, SUNTANBILLS FAN said:

Let’s not forget this is like the 4 th game he has not basically played the 4th quarter. A whole game his stats would be better if he played the whole game and it meant something.

i would be curious to see their snap counts and if there is a big discrepancy.