MVP hype for Allen

[Kangaxx]

6 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

Fair enough, but I don't understand why so many care what these pundits think?  They have a right to their opinion just like everyone else.  

 

I did not follow this entire thread, so apologies for not seeing your praise for Lamar.  If Baltimore had a comparable record, he'd likely win because the numbers are off the charts.  

 

Both he and Allen are in similar situations.  Dynamite lead backs, decent receivers and porous defenses.  

Derrick Henry is far better than James Cook or Ray Davis. Two of ravens WRs have the highest amount of separation in the NFL. That's evident based on how they are wide open on so many plays. All of this information is easy to find. They are definitely not in similar situations.

Edited December 28, 2024 by Kangaxx

[Eastport bills]

There is such a groundswell of support by an anti Josh faction of Lamar Jackson butt boys , that they’re actually trying to make it a 50/50 proposition for MVP voters. First, Josh took an obvious rebuilding offensive unit and made them a SB contender. He did it without a #1 or #2 receiver and achieved a better record than Lamar vs the toughest schedule in the league.  He’ll have the most TDs  combined running and passing and did all this with a pedestrian defense. Lamar has 2 MVPs and the clueless sports talk blowhards want to stiff the most heroic, balls to the wall performances in league history. Ridiculous 

[UKBillFan]

4 hours ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

Fair enough, but I don't understand why so many care what these pundits think?  They have a right to their opinion just like everyone else.  

 

I did not follow this entire thread, so apologies for not seeing your praise for Lamar.  If Baltimore had a comparable record, he'd likely win because the numbers are off the charts.  

 

Both he and Allen are in similar situations.  Dynamite lead backs, decent receivers and porous defenses.  

 

Zay, the rookie, Mark Andrews who missed 7 games and Bateman.  Bateman could have gone without mentioning.  

 

That's a 4 win team without Jackson, at best.

 

Are you really being dismissive of the Ravens roster around Jackson and then trying to compare James Cook, as much as I like him, to Derrick Henry?

 

As for porous defenses, the Ravens have allowed an average of 330 yards per game (edit: total - 248 passing and 81 rushing). In comparison, the Bills have allowed an average of 347.7 yards per game (edit: total - 229.5 passing and 118.3 rushing). So one is clearly more porous than the other.

Edited December 28, 2024 by UKBillFan

[Thrivefourfive]

22 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

 

Are you really being dismissive of the Ravens roster around Jackson and then trying to compare James Cook, as much as I like him, to Derrick Henry?

 

As for porous defenses, the Ravens have the tenth best, allowing a per game average of 330 yards passing and 81 rushing. In comparison, the Bills are down in 21st, allowing an average of 347.7 yards passing per game and 118.3 rushing. So one is clearly more porous than the other.

Get outta here with those avg passing yds per game

[UKBillFan]

11 minutes ago, Thrivefourfive said:

Get outta here with those avg passing yds per game

 

Sorry, misread the screen on my phone! Now on my laptop so can see the breakdown better.

 

TOTAL average yards allowed per game: Ravens (14th) 330.1; Bills (23rd) 347.7

Average passing yards allowed per game: Ravens 248.5; Bills 229.5

Average rush yards allowed per game: Ravens 81.6; Bills 118.3

 

The argument stands, though, with one defense being more porous than the other.

Edited December 28, 2024 by UKBillFan

[JESSEFEFFER]

On 12/26/2024 at 2:44 PM, Kelly to Allen said:

It's two days before the super bowl. 

voting ends days after the season.  Results announced before Super Bowl.

[SCBills]

8 hours ago, BullBuchanan said:

Looked to me like Lamar made a really strong case this past week that Allen likely won't be able to top because he's playing bottom of the NFL teams, while Baltimore just wrecked two division leaders. Maybe they give the nod to Allen anyway, but if recency is at all relevant, Jackson has a stronger case, especially with Allen struggling last week.

I love this argument.  
 

“Ravens Defense held a playoff team to zero offensive points, therefore Lamar is the most valuable player”

[zow2]

20 minutes ago, SCBills said:

I love this argument.  
 

“Ravens Defense held a playoff team to zero offensive points, therefore Lamar is the most valuable player”

 

What Kansas City did to the Steelers in Pittsburgh's stadium delegitimized them as any kind serious contender.  They were easily handled by the Chiefs.  Houston also got terribly injured at KC the week earlier.   Baltimore beat up two teams (Steelers and Texans) that are hemorrhaging at the worst time.  I'm not discrediting the Ravens, they still had to win those games but to beat the Giants, Steelers and Houston in these last 3 games is not equivalent to winning at Detroit and vs KC.  Not even close.

[Big Blitz]

2 minutes ago, zow2 said:

 

What Kansas City did to the Steelers in Pittsburgh's stadium delegitimized them as any kind serious contender.  They were easily handled by the Chiefs.  Houston also got terribly injured at KC the week earlier.   Baltimore beat up two teams (Steelers and Texans) that are hemorrhaging at the worst time.  I'm not discrediting the Ravens, they still had to win those games but to beat the Giants, Steelers and Houston in these last 3 games is not equivalent to winning at Detroit and vs KC.  Not even close.

 

And the 49ers at home in a blizzard.  

[CincyBillsFan]

Judas Priest, another day on 2BD where people arguing that Allen deserves the MVP over Jackson are called "homers". 

 

 

[26TrapDraw]

I’m not shocked that the mindset of McDermott is that they worry about staying healthy locking up the 2 seed and going into the playoffs healthy .the lackluster game vs the patriots kind of shocked me. Seems like the MVP award doesn’t seem that important to Allen. I know We all want him to lead this team to a superbowl win. This is just my opinion and I could get flamed for it but wtaf is that mentality? I think it sends the wrong message. If he does the same thing these next 2 games he can most certainly lose the MVP that up until this point he most definitely deserves.

[SCBills]

16 minutes ago, 26TrapDraw said:

I’m not shocked that the mindset of McDermott is that they worry about staying healthy locking up the 2 seed and going into the playoffs healthy .the lackluster game vs the patriots kind of shocked me. Seems like the MVP award doesn’t seem that important to Allen. I know We all want him to lead this team to a superbowl win. This is just my opinion and I could get flamed for it but wtaf is that mentality? I think it sends the wrong message. If he does the same thing these next 2 games he can most certainly lose the MVP that up until this point he most definitely deserves.

If we win tomorrow, there is zero reason for him to be on the field Week 18.

[Big Turk]

2 hours ago, UKBillFan said:

 

Sorry, misread the screen on my phone! Now on my laptop so can see the breakdown better.

 

TOTAL average yards allowed per game: Ravens (14th) 330.1; Bills (23rd) 347.7

Average passing yards allowed per game: Ravens 248.5; Bills 229.5

Average rush yards allowed per game: Ravens 81.6; Bills 118.3

 

The argument stands, though, with one defense being more porous than the other.

 

The Ravens defense has been getting progressively better as the year goes on, the Bills progressively worse.

[All_Pro_Bills]

5 minutes ago, H2o said:

No worries my friend. 

 

It's just ridiculous that last year Allen's numbers were way better than Jackson and they used the "team record" and "turnovers" excuse. This year Allen has cut down the turnovers by a wide margin, has done more with what is viewed as lesser talent in the receiving room, his team has a better record, and he engineered victories against the two best teams in the NFL. Now it's all about the stats again according to these clowns, Allen's MVP would be diminished because the voters just don't want to pick the same guy all the time (even though they know Jackson is better 🙄), and then they want to drag the race card into the equation (which is typical for some of these idiots). They also try to make excuses about the number of total TD's Josh has put up, the "tush push" 😪 flowing, attempting to prop Jackson up while doing so. Then they claim a guy who has been voted MVP twice is "underappreciated" somehow. The racial bias of some of these idiots has worn thin, and it's a constant with some them. It's more annoying than anything, and they just spoon-feed it to the rest of the idiots who lap up their verbal diarrhea like it's ice cream. 

I think another aspect of the anti-Allen bias in the football media is because very few of the "experts" in the football media world thought he'd amount to much beyond an average QB with accuracy and decision-making issues coming out of a second-tier program at Wyoming. And now that his on-field performances have proven them wrong, they don't have the personal courage or willingness to say their initial assessments were wrong by voting him the league MVP.

[UKBillFan]

6 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

I think another aspect of the anti-Allen bias in the football media is because very few of the "experts" in the football media world thought he'd amount to much beyond an average QB with accuracy and decision-making issues coming out of a second-tier program at Wyoming. And now that his on-field performances have proven them wrong, they don't have the personal courage or willingness to say their initial assessments were wrong by voting him the league MVP.

 

For all the conspiracy theories about race etc. the biggest issue for Josh is he had an average game against the Jets whilst Lamar played lights out against both the Steelers and the Texans. Albeit Josh wasn't helped by his receivers last Sunday - if Shakir, twice, and Cooper had held on to those passes it may have been slightly different. But, as it is, it has really brought Lamar back into the equation. Recency is king.

[BananaB]

1 hour ago, zow2 said:

 

What Kansas City did to the Steelers in Pittsburgh's stadium delegitimized them as any kind serious contender.  They were easily handled by the Chiefs.  Houston also got terribly injured at KC the week earlier.   Baltimore beat up two teams (Steelers and Texans) that are hemorrhaging at the worst time.  I'm not discrediting the Ravens, they still had to win those games but to beat the Giants, Steelers and Houston in these last 3 games is not equivalent to winning at Detroit and vs KC.  Not even close.

I remember the talking heads going on about the 5 game stretch after the Dolphins game. Bills would be lucky to win 2 or 3 with McCaffrey coming back, that’s what they were saying. Lions and Chiefs were pretty much losses weeks before game time. Then they win 4 with the only loss probably being one of the best games of the year which Josh still up’d his odds of MVP in a loss. 
 

Watching the Bills, we all know McD tries to run the clock once they get ahead. That’s how they want to finish the games. Harbaugh is the opposite, he’s all about padding stats and always has been. They got Henry running for 160 into the 4th and then they take him out. He’s the guy that can keep the clock running. Last year when they demolished the Phins, Lamar was threw a 50 yard TD with under 2 minutes left. That’s who they are and always been. ***** a few years ago Harbaugh could have closed out a game by kneeling down but wanted to keep there rushing streak alive. 

Edited December 28, 2024 by BananaB

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

 

[CincyBillsFan]

1 hour ago, SCBills said:

If we win tomorrow, there is zero reason for him to be on the field Week 18.

He should play a couple of series throwing check downs and handing the ball off to stay sharp and keep his consecutive game starting streak active.  But by the end of the 1st quarter he should be on the bench.

 

 

[CincyBillsFan]

47 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

 

For all the conspiracy theories about race etc. the biggest issue for Josh is he had an average game against the Jets whilst Lamar played lights out against both the Steelers and the Texans. Albeit Josh wasn't helped by his receivers last Sunday - if Shakir, twice, and Cooper had held on to those passes it may have been slightly different. But, as it is, it has really brought Lamar back into the equation. Recency is king.

And why should Allen playing "average" against NE cancel out his two previous otherworldly games against division leaders Detroit & LA on the road?  Or how about the 2 games Allen played before those ones beating the Chiefs & 49's?  I mean I refuse to believe that those voting for the MVP would be so stupid and ignorant as to assign any special meaning to Allen's average day in a win over NE.

 

So IMO any voter using the excuse that Allen's game against NE cost him is in fact lying and using that excuse as a smokescreen to hide their true reasons for not wanting Allen as the MVP.  I don't pretend to know what their motivations are but they're not based on any description of the MVP that I have seen.

 

 

 

 

[UKBillFan]

1 minute ago, CincyBillsFan said:

And why should Allen playing "average" against NE cancel out his two previous otherworldly games against division leaders Detroit & LA on the road?  Or how about the 2 games Allen played before those ones beating the Chiefs & 49's?  I mean I refuse to believe that those voting for the MVP would be so stupid and ignorant as to assign any special meaning to Allen's average day in a win over NE.

 

So IMO any voter using the excuse that Allen's game against NE cost him is in fact lying and using that excuse as a smokescreen to hide their true reasons for not wanting Allen as the MVP.  I don't pretend to know what their motivations are but they're not based on any description of the MVP that I have seen.

 

 

 

 

 

I don't think the NE game is enough for Josh to lose MVP to Lamar, and the odds reflect that. But if he has another average at best game, considering Lamar has already (in the eyes of experts) played out of his skin against the Texans, it'll narrow further. And whatever happens tomorrow, anything but a Lions-like performance is likely to play into Lamar's hands. Either Josh will barely appear in week 18, or the Bills would have lost.

 

Last year, perhaps no one played well enough to truly be awarded MVP, particularly QBs. Whilst Josh put the stats together, seeing his OC sacked plus the number of interceptions counted against him. This year, two players in particular have lit up the league. Only one can claim the prize.