MVP hype for Allen

[CincyBillsFan]

Just now, strive_for_five_guy said:

Allen actually does have performance incentives surrounding winning MVP.  That said, his easiest path to finishing it off right now is just making sure the Bills get the 2 seed or potentially better still.  And I’m sure winning the SB would trump any bonus of winning regular season MVP aware.

He would trade those incentives in a nanosecond to win a Super Bowl. 

[Savage]

12 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

An even more fundamental question these people need to ask themselves is what would Baltimore's record be if Jackson didn't play this year?  Then compare that record to what the Bills record would be if Allen didn't play this season.  That would decide things real quick IMO.

 

 

The Bills without JA17 are bottom feeders, at best.

 

 

[C.Biscuit97]

7 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

An even more fundamental question these people need to ask themselves is what would Baltimore's record be if Jackson didn't play this year?  Then compare that record to what the Bills record would be if Allen didn't play this season.  That would decide things real quick IMO.

 

 

Allen’s going to win the MVP but don’t make up BS hypotheticals. Jackson’s record is 68-24 and the Ravens record is 6-10 in non Lamar starts. 
 

I know this is impossible here but you don’t have to put down Lamar (who has gotten better every year) to prop up Josh (who has also gotten better every year). They are both awesome in their own rights. 

[Dr. K]

Whether Josh wins the MVP depends on whether he plays badly in these last two games. A couple of crappy games while Lamar plays well might put him out of it. 

[GoBills808]

7 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

This should settle it between Allen & Jackson:

 

 

interesting graphic

 

couple thoughts come to mind, first one is what is negative separation lol

 

second is whether their increments for measuring it make sense since you have four sets of QBs on the same team w significantly different avg separation

 

but kind of matches the eye test tbh

 

 

[zow2]

12 minutes ago, Savage said:

The Bills without JA17 are bottom feeders, at best.

 

 

 

That sort of implies Beane has constructed a garbage roster which i don’t think is the case. But it will be better next season than it is this season imo.

[Dan]

35 minutes ago, Kelly to Allen said:

The foundational question the writers need to ask themselves is are they comfortable giving Lamar 3 MVPs in this era and Allen zero....

 

To me that's absurd, but maybe ppl feel differently. That doesn't make any sense in any universe. 

Seems like last year one of the arguments was you had to be good and all.. but you also had to be the QB of the #1 seed (the Bills were still very much on the edge of #2 through 7).   That and not have a lot of turnovers.   Not to mention those that argued it was really his surrounding cast (Diggs) that lead to his success. A year later… everyone had moved the goalposts and apparently that’s all out the window.  

I’ll just say this… if Josh doesn’t get the MVP this season… even if he sits these last 2 weeks.. then we can all just chalk this award up as another popularity contest.  
 

Josh has played heads and shoulders above every other player while leading the Bills to all time offensive success and securing the division earlier than anyone since Peyton played. I could go on like beating the 2 best teams in each conference and all, but that’s all largely irrelevant.  I think the only reason, personally, any of this is even being discussed, is because there’s still several more weeks of football to be played and all the talking heads need something to fill the airwaves.  They can’t all just agree that the race is over because then what do they talk about.  

[Kelly to Allen]

12 minutes ago, Dan said:

Seems like last year one of the arguments was you had to be good and all.. but you also had to be the QB of the #1 seed (the Bills were still very much on the edge of #2 through 7).   That and not have a lot of turnovers.   Not to mention those that argued it was really his surrounding cast (Diggs) that lead to his success. A year later… everyone had moved the goalposts and apparently that’s all out the window.  

I’ll just say this… if Josh doesn’t get the MVP this season… even if he sits these last 2 weeks.. then we can all just chalk this award up as another popularity contest.  
 

Josh has played heads and shoulders above every other player while leading the Bills to all time offensive success and securing the division earlier than anyone since Peyton played. I could go on like beating the 2 best teams in each conference and all, but that’s all largely irrelevant.  I think the only reason, personally, any of this is even being discussed, is because there’s still several more weeks of football to be played and all the talking heads need something to fill the airwaves.  They can’t all just agree that the race is over because then what do they talk about.  

 

I'd have no issues giving Lamar his 2nd MVP if he won a ring. 

 

Again nobody, not Manning, not Montana, not favre, not Unitas got their 2nd MVP until they won a championship. 

 

Multiple MVPs has notoriously in the NFL and NBA meant you are winning Rings. 

 

I wouldn't want Allen winning a 2nd MVP until he won the super bowl. Why? Because it's embarrassing. Or at least should be. 

 

I don't understand how you can be terrible in the playoffs but have multiple MVPs. That's never ever happened and doesn't make sense 

 

Literally everyone in legacy media after the hideous performance by Lamar in the AFC championship said Lamar is disqualified from any more real accolades and MVP until he gets a ring. For whatever reason everyone just forgot that 

 

Nick wright the troll has been the only honest media member about this. 

 

 

Edited 14 hours ago by Kelly to Allen

[Dan]

3 minutes ago, Kelly to Allen said:

 

I'd have no issues giving Lamar his 2nd MVP if he won a ring. 

 

Again nobody, not Manning, not Montana, not favre, not Unitas got their 2nd MVP until they won a championship. 

 

Multiple MVPs has notoriously in the NFL and NBA meant you are winning Rings. 

 

I wouldn't want Allen winning a 2nd MVP until he won the super bowl. Why? Because it's embarrassing. Or at least should be. 

 

I don't understand how you can be terrible in the playoffs but have multiple MVPs. That's never ever happened 

 

 

Agreed… and I have no idea how you can give a guy a 3rd MVP when he has a generational talent like Henry running wild and his team still may or may not even win their division.   
 

The only reason Lamar is even in the discussion is because his numbers are better this year than last year. But that’s more a reflection of how poor a decision that was.. not how good he is this year. 

[Scott7975]

39 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

This should settle it between Allen & Jackson:

 

 

 

 

Yep, thats why Lamars passing doesn't impress me. He throwing to dudes so wide open that no defender is even in the same zip code. 

[Success]

Go Texans. 

 

[Kelly to Allen]

2 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

 

Yep, thats why Lamars passing doesn't impress me. He throwing to dudes so wide open that no defender is even in the same zip code. 

He faces man covg constantly because of the RPO and Henry. 

 

When he has to play traditional drop back QB and pass when teams know it, he has improved but he's not even close to Allen, Mahomes or burrow. 

 

This is why if we face them in the playoffs, we need to get a good lead to dictate the style of game. Exactly what KC did last year and buffalo did in 2020

Edited 14 hours ago by Kelly to Allen

[Big Blitz]

What were Jackson and the Ravens expectations coming in to the season?
 

What were the Bills?

 

 

What are Jackson’s weapons like compared to Josh?  

 

Who is in 2nd place in the AFC?

 

 

/Discussion. 

[LABILLBACKER]

47 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Allen’s going to win the MVP but don’t make up BS hypotheticals. Jackson’s record is 68-24 and the Ravens record is 6-10 in non Lamar starts. 
 

I know this is impossible here but you don’t have to put down Lamar (who has gotten better every year) to prop up Josh (who has also gotten better every year). They are both awesome in their own rights. 

This is true. Lamar and Josh have both improved so much. It's just so damn frustrating to see him runner up in those Rodgers years and seeing how he performs in the playoffs (100 rating) compared to Lamar (75 rating). I know playoffs aren't factored in but they should be. Josh just has to have at least a clean 2 tds v Jest game and get to 40.  Then rest him week 18.  His performance v KC, SF, Rams, Det. can't be ignored.  

[DapperCam]

1 hour ago, CincyBillsFan said:

This should settle it between Allen & Jackson:

 

 

This supports my eye test of Lamar constantly tossing it to wide open players.

[CincyBillsFan]

2 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Allen’s going to win the MVP but don’t make up BS hypotheticals. Jackson’s record is 68-24 and the Ravens record is 6-10 in non Lamar starts. 
 

I know this is impossible here but you don’t have to put down Lamar (who has gotten better every year) to prop up Josh (who has also gotten better every year). They are both awesome in their own rights. 

I wasn't pulling down Jackson here.  I was simply pointing out that if Jackson had gone down in the preseason the Ravens with one of the best RB's in the NFL could have gotten by.  After all Tennessee was a regular playoff participant with Tannyhil thanks in no small part to King Henry.  Allen goes down who does the Bills O fall back on?

 

 

[Kelly to Allen]

You can take Allen out of the equation even. Why would Lamar in this era have more MVPs than Mahomes???

 

Again it makes no sense 

[zow2]

19 minutes ago, Kelly to Allen said:

You can take Allen out of the equation even. Why would Lamar in this era have more MVPs than Mahomes???

 

Again it makes no sense 

 

The voters know that.  And it’s seared into their brains that Lamar has fizzled in the playoffs.  You’re right they aren’t awarding Jackson 3 MVP’s to Mahomes’ 2 without having done anything in the playoffs. The award is going to be spread around.

 

When Belichek was coaching the Pats all those years they could’ve given him the Coach of the Year award 10 times.  But he only got it 3 times. 

 

I thought Allen played really conservative vs NE.  didn’t take off and run much until it was too late to do anything. Seemed like he was under the weather to me. The few really good passes he threw were not handled cleanly by Shakir, Cooper and at least one by Kincaid.

 

So if Josh wants to grab the MVP he can do it this Sunday with a solid Josh Allen performance. If he doesn’t care about MVP and wants to lollygag around and play conservative then maybe Saquon or Goff jumps over him. I really don’t see them handing Lamar a 3rd after gifting him the MVP last season w 29 TDs.