Generic_Bills_Fan Posted December 16 Posted December 16 Looks like rumblings from sportsbooks are josh is somewhere in the -750 to -1000 range in mvp betting. Looks like it’s finally happening! 1 2 Quote
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted December 16 Posted December 16 5 hours ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: Bills beat the one loss Lions on the back of Allen’s 4 TD zero turnover performance. That puts a wrap on the MVP race. Allen 6 combined TD’s and one turnover against the Cheifs and Lions who had a combined record of 21-1 without their two losses to Allen and the Bills. Has any other QB beat teams with a combined record of 21-1? I was fiddling around with some stats and since that lions hot streak started week 9 of 2022, 22% of the lions regular season losses were to the bills and 25% of the chiefs regular season losses were to the bills provided my math is right lol. That seems pretty crazy. You actually miss out on a bills win over the chiefs earlier in 2022 also with that cutoff 1 Quote
strive_for_five_guy Posted December 16 Posted December 16 13 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said: Looks like rumblings from sportsbooks are josh is somewhere in the -750 to -1000 range in mvp betting. Looks like it’s finally happening! Quote
FieldGeneral Posted December 16 Posted December 16 Only thing that can hurt him is sitting out the last 1-2 games and not padding stats. Quote
Aussie Joe Posted December 16 Posted December 16 (edited) 12 minutes ago, FieldGeneral said: Only thing that can hurt him is sitting out the last 1-2 games and not padding stats. beating up on the Patriots a couple of times won’t change many opinions … I think ( hope ) he has done enough Edited December 16 by Aussie Joe 1 Quote
US Egg Posted December 16 Posted December 16 Half of Allen’s rushing attempts have been for 1st downs. That’s kind of impressive. Percentage wise would guess that leads the league, even near record like maybe? 1 Quote
Ray Stonada Posted December 16 Posted December 16 This is no longer MVP "hype." It's just reality. Josh has it locked up now. It would take something extraordinary for him not to win. 1 Quote
Scott7975 Posted December 16 Posted December 16 Welp I think Lamars MVP last season was a farce. If they snub Josh this year then it just shows how much of a farce Lamar winning last season was. Cus honestly I think Lamar has had a hell of a year this season but seeding always plays a part and that was the excuse last year. 3 Quote
Kirby Jackson Posted December 16 Posted December 16 (edited) Usually these individual awards are cool but don’t mean much. I don’t look back at Cam or Matt Ryan’s MVP awards & think differently of them because of them. It’ll be different for Allen. So many people thought he’d flop pre-draft that they’ve stuck to their guns. They’ve refused to admit to their mistakes & have spent his career looking to trash him. “Diggs made him.” “He’s a turnover machine.” Hell, even a small group of his peers, voted him the most overrated player in the league. All of this is taking place as he assaults the record book & carries a mediocre roster to Super Bowl contention. This award will give, undeniable validation, to the best player to ever put on a Bills uniform (with all due respect to Bruce). Edited Monday at 04:00 PM by Kirby Jackson 3 2 Quote
Big Turk Posted Monday at 01:35 PM Posted Monday at 01:35 PM (edited) 3 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: Usually these individual awards are cool but don’t mean much. I don’t look back at Cam or Matt Ryan’s MVP awards & think differently of them because of them. It’ll be different for Allen. So many people thought he’d flip pre-draft that they’ve stick to their guns. They’ve refused to admit to their mistakes & have spent his career looking to trash him. “Diggs made him.” “He’s a turnover machine.” Hell, even his (a small group of his peers) voted him the most overrated player in the league. All of this is taking place as he assaults the record book & carries a mediocre roster to Super Bowl contention. This award will give, undeniable validation, to the best player to ever put on a Bills uniform (with all due respect to Bruce). It's not becoming a stretch to say he might be the best player to put on any uniform. He is the most productive player on a per game basis (TDs/game) in the history of the NFL all-time. Edited Monday at 01:35 PM by Big Turk 3 1 Quote
TheyCallMeAndy Posted Monday at 02:01 PM Posted Monday at 02:01 PM Allen needs 1 more rushing TD to tie Thurman Thomas for most in team history. 1 Quote
finn Posted Monday at 02:10 PM Posted Monday at 02:10 PM 22 minutes ago, Big Turk said: It's not becoming a stretch to say he might be the best player to put on any uniform. He is the most productive player on a per game basis (TDs/game) in the history of the NFL all-time. You get a lot of "Yeah, but where are his rings?" and "Lamar has better stats," but you sense the reality is starting to sink in, and along with it the prevailing narrative, that Allen may be not just the MVP but the best football player of all time, as you say. It sounds silly, but that slide he took--the one where his momentum brought him up standing?--captures the level he's at. Everything seems easy for him now, and he's enjoying the ride. Even when his receivers aren't open, there's pressure, and he can't run, he just throws it away. No need to force it. It's easy to indulge in hyperbole, but we may be seeing something historic unfolding. I mean, the guy is only 28. 2 Quote
Kelly to Allen Posted Monday at 02:16 PM Posted Monday at 02:16 PM (edited) 6 minutes ago, finn said: You get a lot of "Yeah, but where are his rings?" and "Lamar has better stats," but you sense the reality is starting to sink in, and along with it the prevailing narrative, that Allen may be not just the MVP but the best football player of all time, as you say. It sounds silly, but that slide he took--the one where his momentum brought him up standing?--captures the level he's at. Everything seems easy for him now, and he's enjoying the ride. Even when his receivers aren't open, there's pressure, and he can't run, he just throws it away. No need to force it. It's easy to indulge in hyperbole, but we may be seeing something historic unfolding. I mean, the guy is only 28. He has to destroy everyone in the playoffs and win the super bowl. ( Which I'm predicting)...After that you'll see more people say similar things. Edited Monday at 02:17 PM by Kelly to Allen 1 Quote
BillsPride12 Posted Monday at 02:17 PM Posted Monday at 02:17 PM 4 minutes ago, finn said: You get a lot of "Yeah, but where are his rings?" and "Lamar has better stats," but you sense the reality is starting to sink in, and along with it the prevailing narrative, that Allen may be not just the MVP but the best football player of all time, as you say. It sounds silly, but that slide he took--the one where his momentum brought him up standing?--captures the level he's at. Everything seems easy for him now, and he's enjoying the ride. Even when his receivers aren't open, there's pressure, and he can't run, he just throws it away. No need to force it. It's easy to indulge in hyperbole, but we may be seeing something historic unfolding. I mean, the guy is only 28. It's crazy because of how good we have already seen him play but it feels like Allen is just entering his true prime now. 28 is around the age when Jim Kelly started going to Super Bowls. It's around the time in Michael Jordan's career when he started winning championships. It feels like this could only just be the beginning for Josh Allen's career. It feels amazing to be a Bills fan right now 2 2 Quote
Big Turk Posted Monday at 02:20 PM Posted Monday at 02:20 PM (edited) 12 minutes ago, finn said: You get a lot of "Yeah, but where are his rings?" and "Lamar has better stats," but you sense the reality is starting to sink in, and along with it the prevailing narrative, that Allen may be not just the MVP but the best football player of all time, as you say. It sounds silly, but that slide he took--the one where his momentum brought him up standing?--captures the level he's at. Everything seems easy for him now, and he's enjoying the ride. Even when his receivers aren't open, there's pressure, and he can't run, he just throws it away. No need to force it. It's easy to indulge in hyperbole, but we may be seeing something historic unfolding. I mean, the guy is only 28. Lamar only has better stats in a vaccum. If you look at the entirety of their careers, Allen has far better numbers and it isn't even close, especially when it comes to TDs. Jackson has over 40 TDs once in his career, in his unanimous MVP season in 2019. Josh has done that 4 straight years and about to be 5. It's absurd the stuff Allen is doing compared to the best players in NFL history. I mean the man shattered Manning's record for most TDs thru the first 8 seasons of a career in 6.75 years and still has 20 games to go and has 5 more TDs than Manning(258 to 253). The only player close to Allen is Mahomes and Allen spotted him a 34 TD deficit, came roaring back to pass him and is about to leave him in the dust moving forward. Josh Allen is doing things like in Madden in real life in the NFL while the rest of the players are just there watching and wondering how it's possible. Or as Tony Dungy said last night on ESPN after the game: "Josh Allen cannot be human." Edited Monday at 02:23 PM by Big Turk 3 Quote
Big Turk Posted Monday at 02:25 PM Posted Monday at 02:25 PM Josh Allen has more TDs in the last 3 games by himself(13) than every other team in the NFL has total. 2 3 1 2 Quote
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