MVP hype for Allen

[GoBills808]

On 12/9/2024 at 1:01 PM, stevewin said:

Havn't gone through this thread not sure if this has been posted - here are the voters.  I've seen some of the ESPN people say pro-Josh things wrt the MVP - not sure if others have heard other people on the list talk about it. 

 

I'm still concerned there will be some percentage that will feel the need to be 'cute' and vote Saquon because that is against the normal grain

 

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/heres-the-full-list-of-the-50-ap-awards-voters

 

Emmanuel Acho, FS1
Greg Auman, Fox Sports
Howard Balzer, PHNX radio
Jarrett Bell, USA Today
Dave Birkett, Detroit Free Press
Tom Brady, Fox Sports
Tedy Bruschi, ESPN
Vic Carucci, WGRZ radio
Mark Craig, Minneapolis Star Tribune
Tom Curran, NBC Sports Boston
Charles Davis, CBS Sports
Nate Davis, USA Today
Howard Deneroff, Westwood One
Tony Dungy, NBC Sports
Jori Epstein, Yahoo Sports
Boomer Esiason, CBS Sports
Doug Farrar, USA Today Sports Media
Mike Florio, Pro Football Talk
Reuben Frank, NBC Sports Philadelphia
Rich Gannon, SiriusXM
Jonathan Jones, CBS Sports
Lindsay Jones, The Ringer
Mike Jones, The Athletic
Clark Judge, Talk of Fame Network
Ira Kaufman, JoeBucsFan.com
Mina Kimes, ESPN
Peter King, NBC Sports
Pat Kirwan, SiriusXM
Jeff Legwold, ESPN
Jim Miller, SiriusXM
Sam Monson, Pro Football Focus
Bruce Murray, SiriusXM
Gary Myers, NFL author
Laura Okmin, Fox Sports
Dan Orlovsky, ESPN
Nick Pavlatos, SiriusXM
Dan Pompei, The Athletic
Nora Princiotti, The Ringer
Lorenzo Reyes, USA Today
Charles Robinson, Yahoo Sports
Dianna Russini, The Athletic
Mike Sando, The Athletic
Aaron Schatz, FTN Network
Adam Schein, CBS Sports
Tom Silverstein, Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel
Chris Simms, NBC Sports
Armando Salguero, Outkick.com
Mike Tirico, NBC Sports
Ben Volin, Boston Globe
Charean Williams, Pro Football Talk

 

Sam Monson is an MVP voter lmfaoo

[DapperCam]

7 minutes ago, BuffBillsForLife said:

Will Josh break 4k yards passing this year?  Does it matter?

250 yards per game? It will be close…I don’t expect the Bills to be throwing much in the second half of the final 3 games.

[Doc Brown]

2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Sam Monson is an MVP voter lmfaoo

What do you have against Sam Monson?

[strive_for_five_guy]

On 12/9/2024 at 8:43 PM, Big Turk said:

 

If he doesn't win there is a systemic and collusionary effort on the part of the MVP voters to prevent him from getting it and they should be investigated for impropriety and vote selling like back in the days when popes used to be elected based on bribing Cardinals with money and promises of favors for votes.

If the Bills go 12-5 or worse, I’d be concerned the door opens up enough for Barkley or Goff to win.  Aside from stats, the MVP voters put a huge emphasis on wins.  Hence Lamar beating out Josh last season, or why Burrow isn’t in the MVP mix this year in spite of his amazing stats.  We can probably lose to the Lions and Josh still win it, so long as the Bills handle the rest of their business.  If Josh is rested in Week 18 bc we’ve wrapped up the 2 seed and we lose to finish 12-5, that might be a scenario where voters would give him a pass.

 

As someone with money on Josh and who loves the Bills, I’d really like a win against the Lions this weekend.  Don’t see how they’d finish worse than 13-4 then, would knock Goff out of consideration, and would keep them in the 1 seed race.

[Kelly to Allen]

40 minutes ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

If the Bills go 12-5 or worse, I’d be concerned the door opens up enough for Barkley or Goff to win.  Aside from stats, the MVP voters put a huge emphasis on wins.  Hence Lamar beating out Josh last season, or why Burrow isn’t in the MVP mix this year in spite of his amazing stats.  We can probably lose to the Lions and Josh still win it, so long as the Bills handle the rest of their business.  If Josh is rested in Week 18 bc we’ve wrapped up the 2 seed and we lose to finish 12-5, that might be a scenario where voters would give him a pass.

 

As someone with money on Josh and who loves the Bills, I’d really like a win against the Lions this weekend.  Don’t see how they’d finish worse than 13-4 then, would knock Goff out of consideration, and would keep them in the 1 seed race.

 

I want first team all pro this year from the AP. Allen getting a first team all pro and 2nd team all pro in 2020 is excellent for his first ballot Hof resume. 

 

He was pff 2nd team all pro last year. But I don't know if that is taken into consideration as legitimate accolades. Its noted in pro football reference so idk

 

The super bowl MVP is in reality the biggest one

Edited December 11 by Kelly to Allen

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

1 hour ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

If the Bills go 12-5 or worse, I’d be concerned the door opens up enough for Barkley or Goff to win.  Aside from stats, the MVP voters put a huge emphasis on wins.  Hence Lamar beating out Josh last season, or why Burrow isn’t in the MVP mix this year in spite of his amazing stats.  We can probably lose to the Lions and Josh still win it, so long as the Bills handle the rest of their business.  If Josh is rested in Week 18 bc we’ve wrapped up the 2 seed and we lose to finish 12-5, that might be a scenario where voters would give him a pass.

 

As someone with money on Josh and who loves the Bills, I’d really like a win against the Lions this weekend.  Don’t see how they’d finish worse than 13-4 then, would knock Goff out of consideration, and would keep them in the 1 seed race.

I think it’ll take a ton for Goff to get it…he seems to be a victim of the ‘horrible primetime game’ rule based on the current odds lol 

[Coastie]

I just wish people would put Barkley's season in the proper perspective. It has been an amazing year and while he may get the most yards ever in a single season, his 124.8 YPG puts him just outside the top 10 in single game average over a season.

 

If he averages 150 yards a game the rest of the way (4 games) he would average 130.8 YPG.

 

If he averages 200 yards a game the rest of the way (4 games) he still wouldn't reach O.J.'s average. Barkley would still be at "only" 142.5 YPG.

 

Edited December 11 by Coastie
Added projections

[strive_for_five_guy]

7 hours ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

I think it’ll take a ton for Goff to get it…he seems to be a victim of the ‘horrible primetime game’ rule based on the current odds lol 

Agree.  The way that Goff could get it in my mind is if Goff somehow outplays Josh this weekend, those odds will come down from like 13/1 to 7/1.  And then if Lions finish 16-1 and Bills somehow lose one of last three or worse, Josh maybe loses support in favor of Barkley or Goff.  The chance of all of that happening is probably fairly

low, hence the current odds on Goff.

 

[Sweats]

13 minutes ago, Coastie said:

I just wish people would put Barkley's season in the proper perspective. It has been an amazing year and while he may get the most yards ever in a single season, his 124.8 YPG puts him just outside the top 10 in single game average over a season.

 

If he averages 150 yards a game the rest of the way (4 games) he would average 130.8 YPG.

 

If he averages 200 yards a game the rest of the way (4 games) he still wouldn't reach O.J.'s average. Barkley would still be at "only" 142.5 YPG.

 

 

 

 

Honestly, i just love looking at this list........reminds me of a long-lost era for RB's.

 

The greats are a great for a reason.

[4merper4mer]

11 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

Sam Monson is an MVP voter lmfaoo

Mina Kimes is an absolute moron.

[zow2]

Just watching some of the morning sports shows, the narrative all week has been "is Sean McDermott and the Bills are wasting Josh Allen's greatness".  It's like they are posters here at TBD.  I wonder if this stuff gets back to McD? 

[DapperCam]

10 hours ago, Kelly to Allen said:

 

I want first team all pro this year from the AP. Allen getting a first team all pro and 2nd team all pro in 2020 is excellent for his first ballot Hof resume. 

 

He was pff 2nd team all pro last year. But I don't know if that is taken into consideration as legitimate accolades. Its noted in pro football reference so idk

 

The super bowl MVP is in reality the biggest one

Imagine if a Bills Super Bowl plays out like last week. Allen would be the second Super Bowl MVP to lose the game.

[Scott7975]

53 minutes ago, zow2 said:

Just watching some of the morning sports shows, the narrative all week has been "is Sean McDermott and the Bills are wasting Josh Allen's greatness".  It's like they are posters here at TBD.  I wonder if this stuff gets back to McD? 

 

Because he is. I like McD and think he is a great coach for most things but he has made game decisions that cost us games or at least cost the potential to win the game.  Josh Allen is the best player in the NFL. IDGAF if Mahomes has all the hardware. The difference between Josh and Mahomes is the team isn't letting Mahomes down. They come up big when needed. Our team doesnt. Part of that is coaching.

[hondo in seattle]

2 hours ago, Coastie said:

I just wish people would put Barkley's season in the proper perspective. It has been an amazing year and while he may get the most yards ever in a single season, his 124.8 YPG puts him just outside the top 10 in single game average over a season.

 

If he averages 150 yards a game the rest of the way (4 games) he would average 130.8 YPG.

 

If he averages 200 yards a game the rest of the way (4 games) he still wouldn't reach O.J.'s average. Barkley would still be at "only" 142.5 YPG.

 

 

Agree wholeheartedly.

 

But it's worse than that.  When OJ and Jim Brown played, the NFL was much different.  Hashmarks were closer to the sidelines making playcalling more predictable (you wouldn't run a sweep, for example, toward the short side).  Blockers couldn't use their hands and had to block with their arms.  Etc.  

 

Furthermore, defenses defended the run first in those days.  You didn't have teams playing 4-2-5 on 70% of the snaps - or hardly ever.  You saw either a 4-3 or 3-4 with a lot of guys in the box hyper-focused on stopping the run.

 

LBs were different in those days, too. They weren't nimble, rangy coverage guys.  They were beefy thugs with hard sounding names like Chuck Bedrarik and Dick Butkus who beat the crap of RBs for a living.    

 

Likewise, DEs weren't agile "edges" with nifty spin moves who could get to the QB.  They were imposing man-mountains who found no joy in life greater than crushing a runner and making him wimper.  

 

With the longer schedules and today's pass-first defenses, Jim Brown and OJ would rush for 3,000 yards if their HC decided to buck the trend and build an offense, like they did in the 1960s and 1970s, around the RB.  I like Barkley but he's just not in league with the all-time greats.  

 

 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

2 hours ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

Agree.  The way that Goff could get it in my mind is if Goff somehow outplays Josh this weekend, those odds will come down from like 13/1 to 7/1.  And then if Lions finish 16-1 and Bills somehow lose one of last three or worse, Josh maybe loses support in favor of Barkley or Goff.  The chance of all of that happening is probably fairly

low, hence the current odds on Goff.

 

If he loses out to Goff I’ll be so mad haha but what you’ve outlined definitely makes sense. Barkley would not make me as mad 😂

 

if mvp was actually what it was supposed to be I don’t see how Goff could even be in consideration..  I think you could plug any pretty good veteran in his spot and they’d do the same thing 

Edited December 11 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[947]

Goff is not a very good QB, he's less talented than all of the skill players on Detroit's offense. I watched the Lions last week and every pass Goff throws is a wobbler, they showed slo-mo replays of 5+ of them & every one looked like a duck. The team still catches most of them & makes plays anyway, but that doesn't make Goff a great QB. He has zero MVP-level skills.

 

If they award Goff an MVP, it will truly be a team award.

[Captain Hindsight]

15 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

If he loses out to Goff I’ll be so mad haha but what you’ve outlined definitely makes sense. Barkley would not make me as mad 😂

 

if mvp was actually what it was supposed to be I don’t see how Goff could even be in consideration..  I think you could plug any pretty good veteran in his spot and they’d do the same thing 

Yes and no. Goff is a top 10 QB in this league. I think most top 10 QBs would be having the season he is in Detroit. Their team is incredible, but that should not take away from the fact that one big reason they are playing so well is because Jared Goff is playing very well.

 

 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

16 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said:

Yes and no. Goff is a top 10 QB in this league. I think most top 10 QBs would be having the season he is in Detroit. Their team is incredible, but that should not take away from the fact that one big reason they are playing so well is because Jared Goff is playing very well.

 

 

I think that’s pretty debatable either way…I wouldn’t have him there but you could make the case for it too. I think I and maybe the mvp voters too see it as he is good but has benefited greatly from being on a few stacked offenses but we could all be proven wrong the rest of the way for sure lol. 
 

this won’t factor into the mvp discussion at all of course but I don’t think there’s any way McVay gives him and a bunch of future assets up for Stafford if he truly saw goff as a top 10 qb talent wise and idk if there’s a guy I trust more to evaluate offensive talent 

 

McVay probably saw him as just outside top 10 and just didn’t have the elite traits to finish a playoff run 

 

Edited December 11 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[dave mcbride]

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5984153/2024/12/10/nfl-mvp-odds-week-14-josh-allen/

 

and

 

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5982072/2024/12/10/nfl-qb-stock-report-rankings-josh-allen-bills/
 

 

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

Bills beat the one loss Lions on the back of Allen’s 4 TD zero turnover performance. That puts a wrap on the MVP race.

 

Allen 6 combined TD’s and one turnover against the Cheifs and Lions who had a combined record of 21-1 without their two losses to Allen and the Bills. Has any other QB beat teams with a combined record of 21-1?