MVP hype for Allen

[dma0034]

5 minutes ago, GolfandBills said:

He’s going to have to finish strong to get it i think.  The NFL would love nothing more than to give it to Lamar again.  

 

Not after last year. You can't give it to Lamar over Dak, Allen and CMC for the team success and the following year throw that out the window

[Since1981]

MEP Most Entertaining Player

 

… Brit and Steph gone…negative people

Beane. Wow.
Josh. Wow.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Unless Barkley has another 300 yard game it’s Allen’s to lose.

[Dr.Sack]

9 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Unless Barkley has another 300 yard game it’s Allen’s to lose.

That could happen, even if the Bills win in Detroit and Allen is the main factor Barkley beating up on a 2nd place schedule gets him the nod. It’s the way it works. 

[LABILLBACKER]

2 hours ago, dma0034 said:

 

Not after last year. You can't give it to Lamar over Dak, Allen and CMC for the team success and the following year throw that out the window

Lamar got incredibly lucky yesterday as he should’ve had 2 ints and a lost fumble. 

[DrPJax]

On 11/19/2024 at 10:26 PM, Doc Brown said:

LOL.  He's already had 11 different MVP's this season. 

Just proves how that award process is a joke , just like pro bowl voting.   The only award with something is the Lombardi , because it’s not subjective , you actually earn it on the field doing the things required to allow you to separate yourself from others , and actually accomplish the lifelong goal you chose to persue .   People don’t really care about or focus on  mvp awards in terms of ultimate career success. It’s about the  Lombardi and the rings. Cities and franchises don’t do parades for mvp awards , it about the Lombardi!  

[strive_for_five_guy]

3 hours ago, GolfandBills said:

He’s going to have to finish strong to get it i think.  The NFL would love nothing more than to give it to Lamar again.  

I think Lamar’s pretty much out, at this point.  Only 12 players have ever won MVP with 5+ losses, 6 of whom

were RBs.  Only 2 won with 6+ losses, both RBs with 2,000+ rushing yards.

 

I’ve been thinking Goff still had a shot before last night, but really only think Barkley could knock Josh off now depending on what happens the final five weeks.  But Josh is making plays the NFL has never seen before and is still winning, it’s going to be real hard for him to not win it.

 

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/nfl-player-with-most-losses-in-a-mvp-season

[Warriorspikes51]

Allen is currently  -230  for MVP.   Barkley 2nd at +500 

[mjt328]

39 minutes ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

I think Lamar’s pretty much out, at this point.  Only 12 players have ever won MVP with 5+ losses, 6 of whom

were RBs.  Only 2 won with 6+ losses, both RBs with 2,000+ rushing yards.

 

I’ve been thinking Goff still had a shot before last night, but really only think Barkley could knock Josh off now depending on what happens the final five weeks.  But Josh is making plays the NFL has never seen before and is still winning, it’s going to be real hard for him to not win it.

 

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/nfl-player-with-most-losses-in-a-mvp-season

 

The argument for Lamar Jackson is totally stat related, which is fine.  But he still hasn't had his bye week.  People are acting like he's having some kind of historical numbers season.  But Jackson only has 5 more touchdowns (32) than Josh Allen (27) with an extra game in his pocket.  That lead could easily disappear over the final month of the season.  Guessing that some voters will also penalize him for having another MVP candidate (Derrick Henry) on the same offense.  Not to mention the high number of losses (5 and counting).  Hard to win the MVP when your team doesn't even win the division.

 

Saquan Barkley is now a legitimate threat for the MVP award.  He's currently on pace to break the single-season rushing record, which is definitely going to resonate with a bunch of voters.  And the Eagles record is also the same as ours.  He may get some sympathy votes from "old school" voters who don't like how the NFL has treated the running back position recently.  Hopefully they are willing to factor in the number of games jumping to 17, when Eric Dickerson did it in 16 games.

 

The MVP award is mostly about narrative.  There is still a full month of football left in the season.  So it's going to be about leaving a final impression in the minds of the voters during the final stretch.  Jackson basically sealed the deal last year on Christmas Day, when he played fantastic and the Ravens totally dismantled the 49ers in a huge primetime matchup.  For Allen, that final impression will probably be the Lions game on December 15.  Very few people are going to pay attention to his performance against the Patriots/Jets, unless it's really bad.

 

 

Edited December 2 by mjt328

[zow2]

39 minutes ago, mjt328 said:

The argument for Lamar Jackson is totally stat related, which is fine.  But he still hasn't had his bye week.  People are acting like he's having some kind of historical numbers season.  But Jackson only has 5 more touchdowns (32) than Josh Allen (27) with an extra game in his pocket.  That lead could easily disappear over the final month of the season.  Guessing that some voters will also penalize him for having another MVP candidate (Derrick Henry) on the same offense.  Not to mention the high number of losses (5 and counting).  Hard to win the MVP when your team doesn't even win the division. Saquan Barkley is now a legitimate threat for the MVP award.  He's currently on pace to break the single-season rushing record, which is definitely going to resonate with a bunch of voters.  And the Eagles record is also the same as ours.  He may get some sympathy votes from "old school" voters who don't like how the NFL has treated the running back position recently.  Hopefully they are willing to factor in the number of games jumping to 17, when Eric Dickerson did it in 16 games.

 

 

 

If it was about total TD's and stats, they should have given it to Allen last season.  Rex Ryan said as much on ESPN this morning.  But it's about team success as well. If the Bills win 13-14 games and Allen continues to have good numbers I just can't believe they would decide to give it to a RB.  Usually a RB-WR gets offensive player of the year.  I heard the best argument on a sports show this morning.  If you took Barkley off the Eagles they still have a good team.  They have a similar record as last year too.  He's having an amazing season but how many fewer wins would the Eagles have?.  If you take Allen off the Bills they have 5 wins.  But just for selfishness, the greatness Allen has shown over the past 5 years... to get past over when it's finally his moment would be a gut punch.

[Billsatlastin2018]

In this, looking like best Bills season EVER, I like to reflect on Amari Cooper. Not, a Top 5 WR1, but a very consistently fine one and thinking man. I know It’s as close as the same Lake, but he must think he moved a few hours away to Mars!

 

To a fan base, so crazed for their Home team, that they RELISH driving to a full on blizzard setting,to sit in freezing cold and snow- and to go ballistic every moment!

 

To a team who relishes and embraces his polished experience.

 

To an MVP QB so off the charts great, that he follows him on the Pass he’s thrown, to produce one of the most iconic TD plays in Bills’ history! 
 

He must pinch himself daily to square his good luck reality.

[stevewin]

Don't know why I care so much about this - and all the Saquon MVP talk in the media last few weeks is stressing me out.  I'm afraid if there's an opening some voters will try to be cute and vote the 'non-traditional non-QB' vote.  Need Saquon to have a couple dud games - hopefully there will be a couple teams that can shut him down

Edited December 2 by stevewin

[zow2]

6 minutes ago, stevewin said:

Don't know why I care so much about this - and all the Saquon MVP talk in the media last few weeks is stressing me out.  I'm afraid if there's an opening some voters will try to be cute and vote the 'non-traditional non-QB' vote.  Need Saquon to have a couple dud games - hopefully there will be a couple teams that can shut him down

 

On the betting sites, Allen actually has a fairly big lead for best MVP odds.    Allen -250,  Saquon +400, Goff +900

 

As they said on ESPN thing morning.  Josh and the Bills were supposed to take a step back this season.  The Jets and Miami were popular picks for the AFC East.  He's doing more with less than anyone and plays in weather conditions like last night.

[stevewin]

Just now, zow2 said:

 

On the betting sites, Allen actually has a fairly big lead for best MVP odds.    Allen -250,  Saquon +400, Goff +900

 

As they said on ESPN thing morning.  Josh and the Bills were supposed to take a step back this season.  The Jets and Miami were popular picks for the AFC East.  He's doing more with less than anyone and plays in weather conditions like last night.

You and I know that - and many knowledgable people in the media - my concern is more the voters who might jump on an alternative vote

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

5 hours ago, GolfandBills said:

He’s going to have to finish strong to get it i think.  The NFL would love nothing more than to give it to Lamar again.  

I think saquon is the only person standing in Josh’s way tbh.  Although I don’t know if the rushing yardage record will even be enough if he sets it 

 

that narrative that the bills were gonna take a big step backward is really playing out well for Josh  

[oldmanfan]

I can maybe see Barkley as competition, but for the life of me I don't get Jackson.

[Warriorspikes51]

4 hours ago, Dr.Sack said:

That could happen, even if the Bills win in Detroit and Allen is the main factor Barkley beating up on a 2nd place schedule gets him the nod. It’s the way it works. 

 

if Barkley hits 2,000 rushing, then yea

Otherwise  Allen MVP,  Barkley OPOY  

Edited December 2 by Warriorspikes51

[Gregg]

If the Bengals weren't having a crap season at 4-8, I would have put Burrow in the conversation for MVP. 3,337 yards passing with 30 TD's and 5 INT's.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

5 minutes ago, stevewin said:

You and I know that - and many knowledgable people in the media - my concern is more the voters who might jump on an alternative vote

I think it’ll be Josh gets mvp and saquon gets offensive player of the year if things continue the way they’re heading.  If the offensive player of the year award didn’t exist then the mvp would probably be a little closer right now 

[Warriorspikes51]

Just now, Gregg said:

If the Bengals weren't having a crap season at 4-8, I would have put Burrow in the conversation for MVP. 3,337 yards passing with 30 TD's and 5 INT's.

 

yet somehow every time I watch the Bengals, he's making mistakes

 

I don't get how he has that stat line