Dan Orlovsky cool analysis

[FLFan]

That was great.

[Comebackkid]

1 hour ago, peterpan said:

I wonder if any teams are using virtual reality to train.  Seems like it would be possible.  Put rookie qbs up against actual D schemes at game speed. 

would be great for players but great for coaching planning up schemes as well..  great for teaching great fundamentals that you can acutally see 

in real time and relate to as well.

Edited November 21 by Comebackkid

[Saxum]

3 hours ago, msw2112 said:

This type of thing shows why many guys who are great athletes - big, strong, fast, great arms, accurate passers, etc. - often can't succeed as a NFL QB.  The brain has to process information SO quickly and then, once it's processed, execute the play.  Orlovsky himself didn't have the talent to do it in the field (at least not consistently at the NFL level), but he's pretty good at breaking it down in the studio.  Nice clip.

 

If this technology was available it is possible that it could have allowed him to become a better player - different people learn better different ways.

 

In college I worked as an assistant during summer teach ESL (English as second language rather than English is secondary language as some part of this country.

I told students when teaching vocabulary - SEE (read) it, SAY it, WRITE it and TYPE it.   Students found best way to learn for them.

Different actions take different paths through brain.

 

At work I was dealing with a new employee who started job with little training so I walked her through parts of her job I know.  When I asked her name I told her where in Africa her came from and I recognized her accent.  She said it was a very small village and surprised I had heard of it. I told her I had a student with her last name in college who I taught English to.  She asked where I went to college and she told me University of Buffalo.  She asked when I taught so I told her. She told me her father went that summer.  He ended up going back to his home village and teaching.  Her father taught her my rule.

[Irv]

This is why even crap QB's like Dak Prescott and Trevor Lawrence get overpaid millions.

[LeviF]

4 hours ago, SageAgainstTheMachine said:

"Now, I wanna put everybody into Josh Allen's body."

 

I hope Orlovsky gets the help he needs.

[pennstate10]

6 hours ago, msw2112 said:

This type of thing shows why many guys who are great athletes - big, strong, fast, great arms, accurate passers, etc. - often can't succeed as a NFL QB.  The brain has to process information SO quickly and then, once it's processed, execute the play.  Orlovsky himself didn't have the talent to do it in the field (at least not consistently at the NFL level), but he's pretty good at breaking it down in the studio.  Nice clip.

Many years ago, I was at a dinner with John Riggins (former nfl RB), and he told me that some people are innately fast processers, and introduced me to the concept of OODA loop. 
 

https://thestrategybridge.org/the-bridge/2020/3/17/the-ooda-loop-and-the-half-beat

 

I think this really applies to the best nfl QBs. I’m not sure how much of this is innate, and how much can be mproved

[Since1981]

2024 Bills, the OL is not another variable for 17 to analyze. Imagine this VR with bad OL? Wrecks everything 

[SoTier]

7 hours ago, MJS said:

Teams usually make it easier on young QBs, though. They aren't always asking their young QB to do what Josh Allen is doing. They scheme things up. They give them simple reads that take away half the field. They use motion and simple rules to identify things. They are given the opportunity to progress and master the mental side of the game until they are able to process more complex things like what Josh Allen and other franchise QBs do on plays like that.

 

That's why dumb QBs like Ryan Tannehill can have some success. Their coaches do all the thinking for them and they heavily scheme and design plays to make it simple for their QB. everything Ryan Tennehill ever did in the NFL was heavily manufactured for him. And he had the athleticism to scramble when things broke down and required him to actually think. He could never step into the Bills offense and run it with any level of success.

 

There was some discussion of this when the Bears fired their OC.  A number of analysts explained that OCs started young QBs with plays they were familiar with and good at so that they had some success.   Then they added more plays and more complexity as the young QBs mastered the easier stuff.  These analysts used CJ Stroud last season and Jayden Daniels this season as examples of how play calling could help a young QB.  They felt that that was not what Chicago was doing with Caleb Williams.

 

6 hours ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

Of course, but time is only given to a few QBs every year, typically only the top draft picks.  Most do not succeed.

The Tannehill's also have varying degrees of skills.  Goff was considered the same.  Same goes for Tua.

 

It's only by dumb luck that guys like Brady, Warner, Purdy and others are given the chance to show what they can do.

At least that's how I see it.

 

 

 

IIRC, Brady, Warner, and Purdy all got their chances because the starting QBs got hurt.   Most young QBs in the same situations don't succeed, though.   Part of it is the coaching they get but a lot of it is also their natural ability IMO.

 

 

 

[RobbRiddick]

I wonder if that VR software lets you run out the back of the end zone?

 

 

Seriously, I saw that yesterday and it's pretty cool. I'm not a gamer myself but would love to play (as Josh Allen of course) in a game using that. Just the thought of my wife walking in while I'm scrambling around the room and running into walls

[ColoradoBills]

11 hours ago, SoTier said:

 

IIRC, Brady, Warner, and Purdy all got their chances because the starting QBs got hurt.   Most young QBs in the same situations don't succeed, though.   Part of it is the coaching they get but a lot of it is also their natural ability IMO.

 

That's my whole point.  I also agree about how teams "try" to bring a young QB around.  This mostly happens to only a handful of

higher drafted college QBs.  The success rate for that is very small.

 

There is a limited amount of NFL games and too many QBs to evaluate sufficiently.  I'm not criticizing anyone; it's just a fact in today's NFL.

 

Not one team in the NFL was going to give a 6th round pick Tom Brady a year to see "what he can do".

I'll go a step further and say if Bledsoe got injured in Brady's rookie season he may not have succeeded.

It was all dumb luck.  The top 2 QBs in the 2000 draft was Chad Pennington and Giovanni Carmazzi.

 

[Mr. WEO]

i thought Gary Coleman was dead...

[Mr. WEO]

15 hours ago, pennstate10 said:

Many years ago, I was at a dinner with John Riggins (former nfl RB), and he told me that some people are innately fast processers, and introduced me to the concept of OODA loop. 
 

https://thestrategybridge.org/the-bridge/2020/3/17/the-ooda-loop-and-the-half-beat

 

I think this really applies to the best nfl QBs. I’m not sure how much of this is innate, and how much can be mproved

 

 

did he then go to sleep under the table?

 

[Mister Defense]

Yes, saw it and really liked the use of this technology.

 

Often some of the more specific concepts good analysts explain are not completely clear to me.  I just don't know the terminology enough, and when there is one technical term after another to explain how plays broke down, etcetera, then it becomes confusing.

 

But seeing it from the player's point of view by using the VR technology really clarified things, as it made the concepts more clear, more concrete and real.  It SHOWED us what Dan was talking about.  Much better, overall, than just drawing things on the monitor  to set up plays shown to us.

 

This will become an excellent tool in the coming years.  I hope that they don't overdo it now, but use it well and keep improving the technology and its use.

 

 

[Dan Darragh]

On 11/20/2024 at 11:20 PM, msw2112 said:

Orlovsky himself didn't have the talent to do it in the field (at least not consistently at the NFL level), but he's pretty good at breaking it down in the studio.  

He'd have been a hall-of-famer if the end zone was 12 yards deep instead of 10.