What Would You Give Up for Aubrey?

[Bruffalo]

40 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said:

It’s not marginal, Aubrey is arguably the top kicker in the game. He has  a strong and incredibly accurate leg. 
 

Kickers have huge impacts on games good or bad. McPherson makes a kick they win. Tucker doesn’t miss twice they win

 

i also said if all things Bass were out of the way like he was a Free Agent or had no dead cap so I’m not advocating for us trading for Aubrey and releasing Bass just saying if everything was aligned right in the world 

He's got a 2% better FG rate this season. It's the definition of marginal, unless you expect the Bills to be stopped consistently and need 50+ yard field goals. That's only happened twice all season, and Bass hit both.

Edited November 19 by Bruffalo

[Logic]

5 hours ago, st pete gogolak said:

Not saying Dallas would be interested but they sure as heck need draft capital. What would you be willing to give up for a kicker who makes 60 yard field goals like extra points?  I’d give up a fourth in a heartbeat. If we had a third, I’d give up a third. What say you?

Your username checks out.

[Augie]

1 hour ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said:

 

Did you try to look up the actual stats or are you spouting off based on gut-feel?

 

Outdoors splits on PAT this season

 

Bass 28/32

Aubrey 10/10

 

 

 

 

What this screams to me is that the Dallas offense sucks. 

[colin]

5 hours ago, YattaOkasan said:

So you have to consider points greater than what we have, which is Bass.  Hes left a total of 13 points on the field this year (little known fact, if he hits his next 2 FGs its his best kicking % of his career).  Please let me know if theres any situation you think McD would have kicked instead of punted (cause that would add to the total).  So thats 1 point per game that bass has left on the field versus a perfect kicker.  I think Ray Davis's 428 yards have resulted in 13 points (see the Jets game) over replacement, so I def think a 4th round pick at a position offers greater return.  You can start convincing me maybe in the 5th, but really the 6th.  And again this is against a perfect kicker.  

 

 

This is some shockingly illuminating analysis!  great way to look at it.

 

you do have to add in the extra points (and bad field position if he misses) from trying kicks you never would have with bass, from say the 50 or something, but if you add 6 more points (say you only attempt them at the end of halves and games where you don't lose the field position) you are still in the 3rd at best range of value, and that's not taking the contract impact into account.

[Mister Defense]

5 hours ago, st pete gogolak said:

Fair enough but I don’t think guys like Aubrey just fall off trees.  If you get the ball on the 30, you’re two first downs from FG range.  Phenomenal weapon.

But not necessarily true if he kicked in the wind and cold of Buffalo.

 

What are his stats outside versus in a 'dome'?

 

How about in games under 40 degrees?

 

I looked quickly online but didn't come up with those important stats.

 

[st pete gogolak]

1 hour ago, Logic said:

Your username checks out.

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Just go back to the KC game.  If you had 100% confidence your kicker would drill a 51 yarder to go up 16 - 7, would you have gone for it on 4th and 3 from the 34?  Maybe, maybe not but it feels like a lack of confidence in Bass is pushing that decision, especially after he missed the PAT.

[Buffalo716]

He's very good but at the end of the day he still a dome kicker 

 

You literally can't take what he does and then dome and then think it will be the same and windy ass orchard Park 

 

His percentage is definitely changing

[Logic]

33 minutes ago, st pete gogolak said:

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Just go back to the KC game.  If you had 100% confidence your kicker would drill a 51 yarder to go up 16 - 7, would you have gone for it on 4th and 3 from the 34?  Maybe, maybe not but it feels like a lack of confidence in Bass is pushing that decision, especially after he missed the PAT.

I have no feelings one way or the other on the topic at hand.

I just couldn't help but notice that it was kinda funny that the kicker topic was created by a guy named St Pete Gogolak. 

[LABILLBACKER]

46 minutes ago, st pete gogolak said:

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Just go back to the KC game.  If you had 100% confidence your kicker would drill a 51 yarder to go up 16 - 7, would you have gone for it on 4th and 3 from the 34?  Maybe, maybe not but it feels like a lack of confidence in Bass is pushing that decision, especially after he missed the PAT.

The 61 yard walk off was nice but Tyler is still in his own head. Sean definitely is leary of using him. He had 2 opportunities in the KC game to kick longer fgs. Maybe it was McD's current policy to go for tds instead of fgs against the Chiefs.  And I 100% agree with that policy. But it still sends a message to Bass that he's not yet there?

[mikemac2001]

Probably nothing now he missed a couple kicks so he sucks now 

[Saint Doug]

Drake is 38. Not the same as he was. Too old. 

[H2o]

1 hour ago, mikemac2001 said:

Probably nothing now he missed a couple kicks so he sucks now 

And now he pulls the clown move of not making it to the landing zone giving Washington the ball at the 40. 

[Don Otreply]

Ah yes, Bills fans kicker obsession rearing it’s ugly head…, 

[Aesop]

https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-players-units-that-need-to-wake-up-fast-as-regular-season-s-final-stretch-looms

 

 

"Entering Sunday, the overall field goal percentage was 84.9. If that holds up, it would be the lowest since 2018 and would be a full percentage point lower than last season".

 

Not just Bass, but all kickers have been worse this year. It is especially interesting that guys that are clutch from 50+ (Aubrey and Fairbairn) both missed yesterday from under 45. 

[Mat68]

0.  Bass has made big kicks.  Was struggling since his miss vs KC in the playoffs.  Still Bass struggling means he is at league average.  Has a very big leg needed to kick in Buffalo.  I think the game winner vs Miami gave him back his confidence.  A lot of times teams are quick to pull the plug without an improvement.  Change for change sake doesnt work.  Thats why so many of the best kickers get let go and kick for years elsewhere.  

[ganesh]

On 11/19/2024 at 7:47 PM, Bruffalo said:

There's only 3 kickers who have made a 60+ yard field goal this season and Tyler Bass is one of them.  

 

I'm not trying to say that Aubrey and Bass are on the same level, but you wouldn't be getting a markedly better kicker. It'd change the Bills win percentage chances by what? 2 percent? It would be a misuse of resources to trade for any kicker, especially in the offseason. 

 

For all the hemming and hawing about Bass on this board, he's actually about a middle of the road kicker after the last few games. He has a stronger than average leg though, which could matter in clutch situations when you absolutely need it. 

 

The real point here is that we shouldn't want to settle for field goals, regardless of who the kicker is. 

 

 

And don't put the game in his hands in the playoffs.

[MikePJ76]

2 hours ago, Aesop said:

https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-players-units-that-need-to-wake-up-fast-as-regular-season-s-final-stretch-looms

 

 

"Entering Sunday, the overall field goal percentage was 84.9. If that holds up, it would be the lowest since 2018 and would be a full percentage point lower than last season".

 

Not just Bass, but all kickers have been worse this year. It is especially interesting that guys that are clutch from 50+ (Aubrey and Fairbairn) both missed yesterday from under 45. 

that fairbairn miss was pretty bad.  Seibert's miss topped it but two games being lost because your kicker can not do his job is tough to swallow in such a tight league.  

 

 

[JGMcD2]

Don't look now, but Brandon Aubrey's FG% is lower than Tyler Bass...

[BADOLBILZ]

On 11/19/2024 at 10:35 AM, GunnerBill said:

Nothing. 

 

 

This coming draft might be the deepest crop of NFL quality kickers ever.   It's just in time as the league has multiple guys washing out,  including Justin Tucker finally.  With all the mid-late round picks Beane has I think it's likely they draft one.   

 

 

[GunnerBill]

2 hours ago, JGMcD2 said:

Don't look now, but Brandon Aubrey's FG% is lower than Tyler Bass...

 

But what would you give up for him?