Yesterday was a coaching clinic

[reddogblitz]

30 minutes ago, syhuang said:

 

 

Yeah I don't get the knock on Coach McDermott being a too conservative coach.  He's a big go for it on 4th down guy.  I even recall him going for it on 4th and 18 in a playoff game one time.

Edited November 19 by reddogblitz

[LABILLBACKER]

4 hours ago, WotAGuy said:

The coaching issue in that scenario is why didn’t KC have a spy on Josh. Made no sense, unless Spags had the Bills minus the points. 

Trust me when we meet them in the playoffs he'll have a spy.  Hopefully Brady can scheme that up.

Edited November 19 by LABILLBACKER

[Mikie2times]

Just now, LABILLBACKER said:

Trust me when we meet them in the playoffs he'll have a spy.  Hopefully Brady can sheme that up.

In that distance you either want more coverage or more disruptors. A spy is more passive and almost worthless in that spot. Spags was aggressive, he had plenty of guys penetrating. Allen took advantage of the over pursuit and it worked out.  

[DCofNC]

4 hours ago, Mikie2times said:

Literally the entire game thread was people complaining about the coaching decisions. Maybe I'm wrong but it seems like we are a 4th down away from winning the Super Bowl vs being horrible, having awesome coaches vs getting schooled. It was one game, it shouldn't change how you feel or felt that drastically. I'm not a McD fan, but felt we did a solid job I felt and Babich is giving me some hope. Seeing us more in man was nice. We had some head scratching moments but all and all I'm happy with what we did. Especially in defending Hunt.

This.

[HappyDays]

Defensive coaching I thought was outstanding. The whole DL knew how to contain Mahomes and was 100% disciplined in excecuting that plan. Back 7 players were keeping an eye on Kelce leaking out of the backfield - a player like Cam Lewis clicking and closing from depth to bring down a HoF player on 3rd down is a testament to coaching. We were willing to play man instead of doing the safe thing and give up cheap yards out of fear. Very impressed by McDermott and Babich in this one. The Chiefs last TD drive is the only one where I thought the coaching let us down by playing it too safe but I'm not gonna give them too much grief over it. Sign me up right now to hold the Chiefs to 21 points in every game until the end of Mahomes' career.

 

The offensive coaching however I feel a little more up and down about. 30 points against a great defense is the headline, but man we were in a ton of 3rd and longs and it was really just miraculous Josh Allen plays keeping a lot of those drives alive. That's a QB win, not a coaching win. Run game never got going and we were seemingly always getting 0-2 yards at most on our 1st down runs - I know Chiefs run defense is great but the OC's job is find some success there and give his offense some manageable 2nd/3rd downs. The final series 3rd and 2 inside zone right towards Chris Jones was an inexcusable mistake that again was saved by a Josh Allen hero play. On the plus side for Brady I really liked our blitz pickups and willingness to be aggressive when KC brought pressure. That'll scare any DC out of blitzes real quick. Having Cooper 1v1 outside is a real advantage in that respect and Brady to his credit clearly understands that.

 

Edited November 19 by HappyDays

[BigAl2526]

The interesting thing about that 4th and 2 touchdown run is that Kansas City ended up in a zone defense.  According to Josh, they gave a look of man coverage, which is what he generally looks for in a designed run.  Josh decided to run the ball anyway.  

 

[Billz4ever]

1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said:

Well yeah absolutely you can pick apart a lot of things throughout the game 

 

I was definitely not a fan of third and two play call... I think you squarely have to put it in Josh's hands both plays OR have a better schemed run that could at minimum get it within quarterback sneak range

 

Ideally I would keep it in Josh's hands both times

Yep, I was thinking 2 straight tush pushes if necessary.  Obviously I'm happy with the outcome on 4th down with the Josh decision to run, but a running play out of shotgun on 3rd and 2 with a penetrating Dline like KC is really a head scratcher.

 

7 minutes ago, BigAl2526 said:

The interesting thing about that 4th and 2 touchdown run is that Kansas City ended up in a zone defense.  According to Josh, they gave a look of man coverage, which is what he generally looks for in a designed run.  Josh decided to run the ball anyway.  

 

 

He quickly decided to pull it down and run because the receivers designed to be open there were covered well. KC had the perfect pass defense called but they couldn't account for Allen running.

Edited November 19 by Billz4ever

[NickelCity]

The only slight credence i give to the who did-or-didnt-show-all-their-cards commentary is our defensive game plan. It was really good. I hope we can do it again.

[Richard Noggin]

7 hours ago, Saint Doug said:

Draft a DB. I don’t like giving out $20-30M contracts to corners in this defense. Rasul is going to cost some and Benford is going to get at least $23M but probably more. 

 

I think McBeane has shown they're FINE with paying a drafted-and-developed #1 CB top dollar if necessary. In 2024, by contrast (due to and in part because of INSANE dead cap totals over 70 million), they aren't paying ANY DB more than an 8ish million cap hit (Taron Johnson), and the 2nd highest cap hit is effing Elam at just under 4 million.

 

Rapp and Johnson (and Bishop) are obvious locks for 2025 on their current deals, and it's VERY possible that Benford is here long term with a big time extension. Whether you like it or not, I'm afraid, they'll probably pay him. Ingram and Lewis are still under contract in 2025 for depth. Elam is of course also under contract, but clearly is not in the pipeline for an early extension or the club's 5th year option. So who knows there. Best case is he earns the opportunity to showcase himself as the de facto #2 boundary CB next year. Still need more dudes in the pipeline at CB and S tbh. 

[Mister Defense]

Nice take on those specific aspects. They outcoached Reid and his coaches, just like they did in the playoff game last year.

 

The thing is, that is the coaching staff we have.  I have often said what many have said, "Best coaching staff since Levy's".

 

But I think they are better than Levy's  staff now, have for the last year or so.

 

They had a plan and executed it very very well yesterday.  I think they did the same thing in the playoff game last year, but with an injury depleted defense, and weak wide receivers, dropping 3-? big game winning balls, it could not come to fruition.

 

Now, even with key players out, they just win, and do what they want to do, game after game.

 

And, more importantly, they get better every week, are about to get some key players back, and seem to just getting started--while their next game is in December. 

 

Have not read through this thread yet, but curious to see what the small percentage of super ignorant McBeane and Bills' haters are saying now!  Wondering if they are somehow twisting this team, front office, and coaching staff into something negative.  Or just staying away, as they often do  in situations like this when they realize how stupid they will sound...  How do haters respond when the team they hate is the best team in the league?

 

 

 

[WotAGuy]

15 hours ago, Mikie2times said:

In that distance you either want more coverage or more disruptors. A spy is more passive and almost worthless in that spot. Spags was aggressive, he had plenty of guys penetrating. Allen took advantage of the over pursuit and it worked out.  

Bernard was a spy on Mahomes on a 3rd and 4 on the Chiefs second drive. Mahomes rolled outside the pocket and Bernard came up and sacked him for a 7-yard loss. Hardly passive and worthless. 

[Mikie2times]

40 minutes ago, WotAGuy said:

Bernard was a spy on Mahomes on a 3rd and 4 on the Chiefs second drive. Mahomes rolled outside the pocket and Bernard came up and sacked him for a 7-yard loss. Hardly passive and worthless. 

2 yards and 4 yards is different enough that they give one a definition of short. Not the same situation.  

[WotAGuy]

1 minute ago, Mikie2times said:

2 yards and 4 yards is different enough that they give one a definition of short. Not the same situation.  

Nice try. LOL

[Mikie2times]

1 minute ago, WotAGuy said:

Nice try. LOL

You're right on offense you run the same playbook with 2 yards as you do with 4 yards. Brilliant.  

[WotAGuy]

1 minute ago, Mikie2times said:

You're right on offense you run the same playbook with 2 yards as you do with 4 yards. Brilliant.  

You are striking out left and right. I thought we were talking defense. Spy, remember?  Watch that day drinking. 

[Mikie2times]

8 minutes ago, WotAGuy said:

You are striking out left and right. I thought we were talking defense. Spy, remember?  Watch that day drinking. 

Run your spys on those two point conversions you football guru 

[WotAGuy]

5 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

Run your spys on those two point conversions you football guru 

If Allen is the QB, it’s a good idea. 

[Buffalo716]

16 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Trust me when we meet them in the playoffs he'll have a spy.  Hopefully Brady can scheme that up.

As I said up thread 

 

4th and two or even third and two is a really no win situation for a spy 

 

That's why they put seven eight guys in the box... Overload Josh's brain and get him to try and hold the ball a split second more 

 

It's one thing if it was third and 7 or 4th and 7... A spy has enough room to track him down.. at 4th and 2 and Josh can go left, right , a gap left or right B Gap left or right..  that's almost too close for it to be super effective 

 

And taking someone out of coverage.. to spy would mean it would be easier for Josh to find a three yard completion 

 

You're between a rock and a hard place with that distance... You're better sitting in zone like they did while crowding the line of scrimmage or actually sending six and trying to clog all of Josh's running Lanes

[Mikie2times]

2 minutes ago, WotAGuy said:

If Allen is the QB, it’s a good idea. 

Maybe you can tackle him 3 yards into the end zone 🤣

 

20 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

As I said up thread 

 

4th and two or even third and two is a really no win situation for a spy 

 

That's why they put seven eight guys in the box... Overload Josh's brain and get him to try and hold the ball a split second more 

 

It's one thing if it was third and 7 or 4th and 7... A spy has enough room to track him down.. at 4th and 2 and Josh can go left, right , a gap left or right B Gap left or right..  that's almost too close for it to be super effective 

 

And taking someone out of coverage.. to spy would mean it would be easier for Josh to find a three yard completion 

 

You're between a rock and a hard place with that distance... You're better sitting in zone like they did while crowding the line of scrimmage or actually sending six and trying to clog all of Josh's running Lanes

Yup

[WotAGuy]

3 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

Maybe you can tackle him 3 yards into the end zone 🤣

 

Yup

A lot of words and fluff for a failed defensive play call. Despite all those words and BS, the result was Josh ran right by everyone for the TD. Keep defending failure, you seem to be good at it.