Yesterday was a coaching clinic

[klos63]

3 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said:

I'll give McDummy credit for going for it on 4th and 2.  Major cuevos call there.  But if he ever challenges another 6 yard completion on 2nd and seven like 5 minutes into the game.....  You just may see me on Buffalo PD Live.

McDummy? There should be an age requirement to post.  If you're 12 and under,  can't post stupid crap like that. 

[Bferra13]

Someone brought it up on wgr and it really rings true... Say what you will about McDermott but the staff really does such a great job with development. Look at Milano, a nobody to all pro and there are so many more examples. We never saw that with Jauron, Rex, and the rest of the goobers. I always said I loved McDermott as a coach Monday through Saturday. But yes, yesterday was a darn fine job, sans the dumb challenge. I think he's learning from his mistakes in the past. It may be all coming together which is really, really exciting.

[WotAGuy]

8 minutes ago, Bferra13 said:

Someone brought it up on wgr and it really rings true... Say what you will about McDermott but the staff really does such a great job with development. Look at Milano, a nobody to all pro and there are so many more examples. We never saw that with Jauron, Rex, and the rest of the goobers. I always said I loved McDermott as a coach Monday through Saturday. But yes, yesterday was a darn fine job, sans the dumb challenge. I think he's learning from his mistakes in the past. It may be all coming together which is really, really exciting.

The challenge was dumb, but I don’t blame McDermott. He has John Parry to make those recommendations and I assume McDermott followed John’s advice. 

[billsfan89]

1 minute ago, WotAGuy said:

The challenge was dumb, but I don’t blame McDermott. He has John Parry to make those recommendations and I assume McDermott followed John’s advice. 

 

I think McD wanted to call a defensive timeout (which for the first half is fine) and he turned it into a challenge as kind of a why not. I know that's kind of "wasting" a challenge but it does give the defense an extended rest and hey maybe a close call goes your way. But I think you can be kind of frivolous with a first half challenge because not only do you get two challenges but since all turnovers and TD's get reviewed automatically plus anything in the last two minutes and overtime get reviewed automatically there isn't as much of a need to horde challenges. 

[Jon in Pasadena]

28 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

the game day thread is like a real time look into the working minds of about 1000 traumatized Bills’ fans. Scientists will one day dissect those threads to find the cure for schizophrenia. 

 

More likely they'll find 1000 cases of CTE induced by forcibly bashing our skulls into the wall repeatedly.

Edited November 19 by Jon in Pasadena

[WotAGuy]

31 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

They absolutely did a great job containing him.. they have a tremendous front... Like I said I truly believe the differences 100 hours of film study with the o line QB coach and line coach

 

Human nature says you slide right and double Chris Jones... But the intricacies of football say you half slide left and create that gap on the right 

 

That is purely film room preparation and coaching 

 

Because feelings say you don't do that

Maybe you just picked a poor example for the title of your post, but it sure sounds like the Bills had called a play to beat man coverage, the Chiefs switched it up and went into a zone, and Josh just free-lanced after Torrence made a great individual block; that play was more about great players making something out of a nothing play call. 
 

“Allen said he appreciated “coach (Sean McDermott) for trusting us” on fourth-and-two. The play call was for man coverage, but KC dropped into a zone.

“It's a man concept where Khalil (Shakir), if there's a man on the left side, we fly the back, try to create some eye candy, if you will, run him through the line,” Allen told reporters. “It's just like a mesh play. And again they went zone, so, just made a play.”

 

Right guard O’Cyrus Torrence drew the assignment of Chiefs star Chris Jones on the biggest play of the game and cleared him out of Allen’s way.

 

“I didn't see him until he was already like 10 yards downfield, when (Allen) was just running people over, running through tackles,” center Connor McGovern told the Times Herald. “But the big thing on that play was I didn't know until afterwards O'Cyrus had a great block (on Jones), an inside move, and he takes him and throws him literally past me. And that just gave Josh this huge open hole and he just took off. So credit goes to Cybo on that one.”

https://www.oleantimesherald.com/newsletter/it-s-josh-qb-s-run-delivers-a-huge-bills-win/article_06b939a0-a57a-11ef-9209-53df3039cdb4.html

[Albany,n.y.]

22 minutes ago, Bferra13 said:

Someone brought it up on wgr and it really rings true... Say what you will about McDermott but the staff really does such a great job with development. Look at Milano, a nobody to all pro and there are so many more examples. We never saw that with Jauron, Rex, and the rest of the goobers. I always said I loved McDermott as a coach Monday through Saturday. But yes, yesterday was a darn fine job, sans the dumb challenge. I think he's learning from his mistakes in the past. It may be all coming together which is really, really exciting.

You can't develop guys if there's nothing there to develop.  What Jauron, Rex and the rest of the goobers had in common is bad GMs & scouts.  From Marv Levy to Buddy Nix to Russell Brandon to Doug Whaley, our drafts were pretty bad.  People who criticize Beane's bad draft picks don't realize how good we've got it now.  A lot fewer misses.  

[Bferra13]

1 minute ago, Albany,n.y. said:

You can't develop guys if there's nothing there to develop.  What Jauron, Rex and the rest of the goobers had in common is bad GMs & scouts.  From Marv Levy to Buddy Nix to Russell Brandon to Doug Whaley, our drafts were pretty bad.  People who criticize Beane's bad draft picks don't realize how good we've got it now.  A lot fewer misses.  

Agreed, it's a healthy mix of scheme, scouting, and coaching that goes into it.

[Buffalo716]

13 minutes ago, WotAGuy said:

Maybe you just picked a poor example for the title of your post, but it sure sounds like the Bills had called a play to beat man coverage, the Chiefs switched it up and went into a zone, and Josh just free-lanced after Torrence made a great individual block; that play was more about great players making something out of a nothing play call. 
 

“Allen said he appreciated “coach (Sean McDermott) for trusting us” on fourth-and-two. The play call was for man coverage, but KC dropped into a zone.

“It's a man concept where Khalil (Shakir), if there's a man on the left side, we fly the back, try to create some eye candy, if you will, run him through the line,” Allen told reporters. “It's just like a mesh play. And again they went zone, so, just made a play.”

 

Right guard O’Cyrus Torrence drew the assignment of Chiefs star Chris Jones on the biggest play of the game and cleared him out of Allen’s way.

 

“I didn't see him until he was already like 10 yards downfield, when (Allen) was just running people over, running through tackles,” center Connor McGovern told the Times Herald. “But the big thing on that play was I didn't know until afterwards O'Cyrus had a great block (on Jones), an inside move, and he takes him and throws him literally past me. And that just gave Josh this huge open hole and he just took off. So credit goes to Cybo on that one.”

https://www.oleantimesherald.com/newsletter/it-s-josh-qb-s-run-delivers-a-huge-bills-win/article_06b939a0-a57a-11ef-9209-53df3039cdb4.html

It was a man beater ... But that's why coaching from top down is important 

 

The routes ran were not good for zone.. they were tight and grouped 

 

The protection, which is coached down via film room saved the play ... Because at the NFL level a man beater vs zone or vice versa can be beat with protection and coaching what to do

 

It was not blocked like a quick hitter play... It was not blocked like a typical mesh...

 

They ran a man beating play ... Which didn't turn out to be man... But the protection allows Josh to create after the initial play is not there 

 

It was clear pre-play that it was not man coverage... So Josh a 100% knew it was zone... And he is coached what to do in a zone situation 

 

Slide the pocket left manipulate the left defensive end wide and hit the gap 

 

That is coaching top down 100%... They go through these situations in practice thousands of times

 

Josh has to make the play.. but he's been coached for years what to do in that situation 

 

You call a man-beater and they're in zone.. you partially slide left create a gap in the b gap and now he has options 

 

That is coaching... Because like I said feelings tell you to slide to the right and double Chris Jones.. but that doesn't create a gap in the b gap... And Josh knew it was not man coverage

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited November 19 by Buffalo716

[WotAGuy]

3 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

It was a man beater ... But that's why coaching from top down is important 

 

The routes ran were not good for zone.. they were tight and grouped 

 

The protection, which is coached down via film room saved the play ... Because at the NFL level a man beater vs zone or vice versa can be beat with protection and coaching what to do

 

It was not blocked like a quick hitter play... It was not blocked like a typical mesh...

 

They ran a man beating play ... Which didn't turn out to be man... But the protection allows Josh to create after the initial play is not there 

 

It was clear pre-play that it was not man coverage... So Josh a 100% knew it was zone... And he is coached what to do in a zone situation 

 

Slide the pocket left manipulate the left defensive end wide and hit the gap 

 

That is coaching top down 100%... They go through these situations in practice thousands of times

 

Josh has to make the play.. but he's been coached for years what to do in that situation 

 

You call a man-beater and they're in zone.. you partially slide left create a gap in the b gap and now he has options 

 

That is coaching... Because like I said feelings tell you to slide to the right and double Chris Jones.. but that doesn't create a gap in the b gap... And Josh knew it was not man coverage

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Mmmkay

[Beck Water]

1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said:

The game day threat is technically a cesspool full of exaggeration and craziness 

I don't think it represents what's actually happening 

 

I know it's just a typo or an autocorrect....but Man, what a Freudian Autocorrect.

I'm still laughing.

[Buffalo716]

3 minutes ago, WotAGuy said:

Mmmkay

You can sit here and say that the coaching didn't matter on the last play

 

But that last play shows they are coached from top down 

 

They half slid left to create a gap in the b gap... When if they were just going for pure pocket presence passing they would slide right 

 

They called a man beater with protections for a possible zone call which is coaching

 

 

Edited November 19 by Buffalo716

[Beck Water]

13 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

It was a man beater ... But that's why coaching from top down is important 

 

The routes ran were not good for zone.. they were tight and grouped 

 

The protection, which is coached down via film room saved the play ... Because at the NFL level a man beater vs zone or vice versa can be beat with protection and coaching what to do

 

It was not blocked like a quick hitter play... It was not blocked like a typical mesh...

 

They ran a man beating play ... Which didn't turn out to be man... But the protection allows Josh to create after the initial play is not there 

 

It was clear pre-play that it was not man coverage... So Josh a 100% knew it was zone... And he is coached what to do in a zone situation 

 

Slide the pocket left manipulate the left defensive end wide and hit the gap 

 

That is coaching top down 100%... They go through these situations in practice thousands of times

 

Josh has to make the play.. but he's been coached for years what to do in that situation 

 

You call a man-beater and they're in zone.. you partially slide left create a gap in the b gap and now he has options 

 

That is coaching... Because like I said feelings tell you to slide to the right and double Chris Jones.. but that doesn't create a gap in the b gap... And Josh knew it was not man coverage

 

Josh said he could have checked out of the play and chose not to.  I think he and the coaches saw something in how the D reacted (they ran a similar play earlier, right, and were successful with it?) and felt they could exploit

 

Which, they did.

[reddogblitz]

I have 2 coaching observations about Buffalo out coaching KC.

 

1. Why only 14 runs for Hunt?  When you go against a team bad at run D, you run it until they can stop it if they can. Or at least give them a heavy dose.  I believe they beat us a couple of years ago doing just that.  I kept expecting them to start doing it especially in the 2nd half but they never did.  He was getting 4.29 A pop but only 14 carries and only 17 to all backs.  A demerit for KC coaching.

 

2. Our D was amazing. Pat sacked twice and picked twice.  He was running for his life. Usually he gets a little heat on him and h runs around and buys ample time or takes off running into an empty field. That was taken away.  One play I believe on the last drive he dropped back and the heat was coming on so he looked over to his left to his dump off guy and he was covered so he had to run to his right and was either sacked or threw an incompletion.     We were prepared for Pat's nonsense. A huge plus for Buffalo coaching.

Edited November 19 by reddogblitz

[stevewin]

1 hour ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

the game day thread is like a real time look into the working minds of about 1000 traumatized Bills’ fans. Scientists will one day dissect those threads to find the cure for schizophrenia. 

or the cause

[Buffalo716]

1 minute ago, Beck Water said:

 

Josh said he could have checked out of the play and chose not to.  I think he and the coaches saw something in how the D reacted (they ran a similar play earlier, right, and were successful with it?) and felt they could exploit

 

Which, they did.

Because he didn't have to check out of it 

 

The routes were not good for a zone but the protection and the preparation made Josh confident in what he needed to do 

 

Take a slightly deeper drop manipulate the left defensive end and create a gap 

 

But that all stems from coaching from the quarterback coach and offensive coordinator and film room 

 

Lesser quarterbacks panic a good quarterback trusts what he's been taught

[PonyBoy]

1 hour ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

I can't say how much dissecting the thread would help, but there are some GDT posters who could use some electroshock therapy.

 

Ya think??!!

 

[Saxum]

1 hour ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

the game day thread is like a real time look into the working minds of about 1000 traumatized Bills’ fans. Scientists will one day dissect those threads to find the cure for schizophrenia. 

 

More likely CTE.

1 hour ago, Freddie's Dead said:

I'll give McDummy credit for going for it on 4th and 2.  Major cuevos call there.  But if he ever challenges another 6 yard completion on 2nd and seven like 5 minutes into the game.....  You just may see me on Buffalo PD Live.

 

Enjoy ride with Police Department.

[QCity]

1 hour ago, Bferra13 said:

 But yes, yesterday was a darn fine job, sans the dumb challenge. 

 

I will say that challenging a 6yd pass, on 2nd down, at midfield, halfway through the 1st quarter is definitely peak McDermott.

[Buffalo716]

1 minute ago, QCity said:

 

I will say that challenging a 6yd pass, on 2nd down, at midfield, halfway through the 1st quarter is definitely peak McDermott.

To be fair we also have an x NFL official in the booth telling him when he should or shouldn't challenge 

 

There's so many stuff going on he doesn't always have the perfect angle or idea 

 

He relies on other people's vantage point and looks