Yesterday was a coaching clinic

[appoo]

The bills had like a 21% rushing success rate on first down. Say what you want about the coaching, but this was Josh Allen deciding he was gonna be scoring some points no matter what

[JP51]

I give them credit for this... and I hate to quote Romo.... but you dont beat the Chiefs by running out the clock on Defense... you have to beat them... the 4th and 2 call as much as I was like I dunno man... was a solid situational coaching call.... 3 options... kick the FG with a kicker who has proven he can miss just about any kick...say 70/30 he makes it)  make it and give them the ball with 2:20 2 time outs and they need to score a td to win and you never see the ball again... 60-40 Chief score a td if we make the kick (my guess)...  Kick the FG and miss it (30/70 for a miss, my guess) and give the Chiefs the ball on the 35 to kick a FG and win it... at least 80% that happens.... or go for it on 4 and 2 with the best 4th down offense in the league and take the game on our terms... 70/30 we make it...  I say go with Josh Allen and our offense over our kicker and defense and Patrick M.... it worked out...

21 hours ago, billsfan89 said:

I think McD is realizing that you have to coach to win against KC. Much like when coaches played against Brady you have to play aggressive and leave your fate in your own hands as much as possible. 

This

[Mikie2times]

14 minutes ago, WotAGuy said:

A lot of words and fluff for a failed defensive play call. Despite all those words and BS, the result was Josh ran right by everyone for the TD. Keep defending failure, you seem to be good at it. 

[WotAGuy]

1 minute ago, Mikie2times said:

[JerseyBills]

Absolutely 

one of the most satisfying wins in the McD era, just beautiful on both sides of the ball and ST, crowd was unbelievable 

[Buffalo716]

19 minutes ago, appoo said:

The bills had like a 21% rushing success rate on first down. Say what you want about the coaching, but this was Josh Allen deciding he was gonna be scoring some points no matter what

The Chiefs only scored one touchdown in the second half and had 259 yards of offense

 

It was a tremendous coaching effort across the board with a great game plan ... Our defense was controlling the majority of the game not there offense

 

If there's one thing you should learn its that Joe Brady will continue to run the ball whether it's successful or not because it keeps the defense honest 

 

And wears them out 

Edited Tuesday at 09:28 PM by Buffalo716

[Big Turk]

Interesting from ChiefsPlanet...

 

They attribute this to copying what Harbaugh and the Chargers did to the Chiefs a few weeks before...have 2 DL on one side crash hard and bull rush forcing Mahomes to bail out of the pocket in the direction they want and then have a spy force immediate pressure on him since he is already on that side of the field he is flushing to...

 

Also some comments about how Oliver completely manhandled Trey Smith all game and saying that they don't even see Chris Jones manhandle anyone the way Oliver did to Smith...

 

 

https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=356009&page=3

Edited Tuesday at 09:52 PM by Big Turk

[finn]

Has anyone heard of Spanuolo's reaction to the Allen run? I heard a KC player saying they dialed up the perfect call but Allen beat them anyway, which is what Belichick said a few years ago about defending Allen. 

[GaryPinC]

20 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Make no mistake about it, that was Allen and Torrence making a play.  Spy makes no sense on fourth and 2.  Give credit to McDermott for not kicking the FG there.  He's learned his lesson.  The only thing that stops Reid and Mahomes is Allen having the ball.  Like Rex said, Allen has never lost to the Chiefs.  

People were talking that this game was almost meaningless, McD admitting the Chiefs are too good to kick the late field goal followed by staying aggressive on defense the last drive blows that perception out of the water.  Now his players have lived it and that confidence has been created for next time.  Let's hope he applies it to all the playoff teams past the first round.  Continuous improvement McD, well done.

[WotAGuy]

1 hour ago, Big Turk said:

Interesting from ChiefsPlanet...

 

They attribute this to copying what Harbaugh and the Chargers did to the Chiefs a few weeks before...have 2 DL on one side crash hard and bull rush forcing Mahomes to bail out of the pocket in the direction they want and then have a spy force immediate pressure on him since he is already on that side of the field he is flushing to...

 

Also some comments about how Oliver completely manhandled Trey Smith all game and saying that they don't even see Chris Jones manhandle anyone the way Oliver did to Smith...

 

 

https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=356009&page=3

For some reason, folks here think having a spy means you can only tackle the QB three yards downfield. Bernard spied Mahomes on 3rd and 4 and tackled him for a 7 yard loss. But if it’s 3rd and 2?  Sorry, you can only tackle ’em after a 3-yard gain. 

[Mikie2times]

4 minutes ago, WotAGuy said:

For some reason, folks here think having a spy means you can only tackle the QB three yards downfield. Bernard spied Mahomes on 3rd and 4 and tackled him for a 7 yard loss. But if it’s 3rd and 2?  Sorry, you can only tackle ’em after a 3-yard gain. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqBjaw7bvHA

 

Because on 4th and 2 with the game on the line you can expect Allen to drop back and just play with himself like Mahomes does on the play you're talking about? 

[WotAGuy]

5 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqBjaw7bvHA

 

Because on 4th and 2 with the game on the line you can expect Allen to drop back and just play with himself like Mahomes does on the play you're talking about? 

Josh retreated back to about the 35 before taking off. Yup, he was playing with himself too.
 

Keep defending that failed play call!  That line shift was the key, remember?  716 will explain it (again and again and again). LOL

 

 

Edited Tuesday at 11:33 PM by WotAGuy

[Buffalo716]

1 minute ago, WotAGuy said:

Keep defending that failed play call!  That line shift was the key, remember?  716 will explain it (again and again and again). LOL

Don't bring me back into this when I understand x's and o's at an extremely high level 

 

The bills have ran 150 mesh plays this year and they don't always half slide left... Kromer's blocking scheme and coaching certainly is the reason they did that 

 

They just didn't do it out of nowhere

[WotAGuy]

33 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Don't bring me back into this when I understand x's and o's at an extremely high level 

 

The bills have ran 150 mesh plays this year and they don't always half slide left... Kromer's blocking scheme and coaching certainly is the reason they did that 

 

They just didn't do it out of nowhere

Ummm….the coaches create the playbook and call the plays.  Is that the point you’re trying to make over and over again?

Edited yesterday at 12:07 AM by WotAGuy

[Mikie2times]

3 minutes ago, WotAGuy said:

Josh retreated back to about the 35 before taking off. Yup, he was playing with himself too.
 

Keep defending that failed play call!  That line shift was the key, remember?  716 will explain it (again and again and again). LOL

 

 

 

Allen drops back, plants his leg, and goes immediately upfield. Play some madden or read a book. 

[Simon]

18 hours ago, HappyDays said:

The offensive coaching however I feel a little more up and down about. 30 points against a great defense is the headline, but man we were in a ton of 3rd and longs and it was really just miraculous Josh Allen plays keeping a lot of those drives alive.

 

Was it just me or did you get the sense that Allen spent most of the first half reading deep to short and the Chiefs were simply not going to allow it to happen downfield?

[Buffalo716]

4 minutes ago, WotAGuy said:

Ummm….the coaches create the playbook and call the plays.  Is that the point you’re trying to make over and over again?

Players make plays within a system 

 

You go through hundreds of hours in film room and meeting rooms to prepare for situations like this 

 

Yes Josh Allen freeballed and made a play... The blocking scheme which kromer is in charge of created an open Lane which Josh can run through 

 

How you block up that last play will determine if there is a lane or not... Josh could have put his five lineman in multiple different blocking combinations 

 

What he did is trust what he's been coached up to do in that situation like 

 

Josh made a play but the line execution was extremely well and that comes from preparation

Edited Tuesday at 11:40 PM by Buffalo716

[WotAGuy]

4 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

 

Allen drops back, plants his leg, and goes immediately upfield. Play some madden or read a book. 

If you can’t see him retreat at least 7 yards, I don’t know what to tell you. 

3 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Players make plays within a system 

 

You go through hundreds of hours in film room and meeting rooms to prepare for situations like this 

 

Yes Josh Allen freeballed and made a play... The blocking scheme which kromer is in charge of created an open Lane which Josh can run through 

 

How you block up that last play will determine if there is a lane or not

Everything you said here is standard operating procedure for the NFL. It wasn’t some genius coaching move.
The coaches get paid to coach and to succeed. How is that a clinic?

 

Couldn’t a spy have used that same open lane to shoot through and get Allen?

Edited Tuesday at 11:42 PM by WotAGuy

[Mikie2times]

5 minutes ago, WotAGuy said:

If you can’t see him retreat at least 7 yards, I don’t know what to tell you. 

Everything you said here is standard operating procedure for the NFL. It wasn’t some genius coaching move.
The coaches get paid to coach and to succeed. How is that a clinic?

 

Couldn’t a spy have used that same open lane to shoot through and get Allen?

So in your mind, you think a LB can just shoot straight up an open lane and wreck a play?

 

You realize they call that....ugh....what is that again.

 

A blitz?

[WotAGuy]

Just now, Mikie2times said:

So in your mind, you think a LB can just shoot straight up an open lane and wreck a play?

 

You realize they call that....ugh....what is that again.

 

A blitz?

Was Bernard “blitzing” when he shot through and nailed Mahomes?  Romo said he was spying, but maybe I should listen to anonymous internet guy.