Chiefs fan excuses

[Kelly to Allen]

3 hours ago, SaulGoodman said:

 

 

Who was saying this about Reid in 2017? And what convinced you that he's the greatest offensive coach ever?

 

 

What makes you think Allen would beat Cincinnati in the '22 AFCC? Remember, the scenario is he has a high ankle sprain, his best WR is MVS, bottom half rushing attack, mediocre tackles, and his defense is average at best. Allen had a better supporting cast than Mahomes that year and lost to the same team at home, scoring 10 pts. 

 

He wasn't winning it all as a rookie, no matter where he was. Definitely not with that KC defense.

 

And there's no reason to think he would go on the road and do what Mahomes did last year.  Or that he would have won behind that terrible OL in Tampa. His best chance would probably have been 2019, but he wasn't nearly the QB then that he is now. 

 

 

 

Let's put it this way. Put 2018 Tyrod Taylor on one of the worst rosters in the league today, at an unstable organization. Is he winning 9 games? I think that's very unlikely.

 

 

 

 

Ppl can get upset about excuses but it's just true. Allen in 22 seriously hurt his throwing elbow. It clearly effected him especially as the year went on. The shorter passes hurt bad from what he said...

 

I don't judge the 22 bills on much because it was one of the worst years I can remember with injures and distractions. It was exhausting to experience as a fan. 

 

I was literally glad the season was over honestly.

 

Allen has never been healthy in the two games vs burrow. Something nobody mentions but when burrow is hurt literally everyone brings up that's why his play was off

Edited yesterday at 09:46 PM by Kelly to Allen

[SaulGoodman]

10 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

Wanna know the funny part?

 

Allen didn’t even throw an astronomical amount of receptions that year.

 

He had 12.

 

Which is… *checks notes* … only 1 more INT than Mahomes has thrown through 11 games this season. 

 

So… in Saul’s mind, the Bills only won 6 games that year because Allen threw 1 more INT than Mahomes has thrown while leading the Chiefs to a 10-1 record.

 

There is no amount of LSD or DMT that could make that logic make sense.

 

Saul is just twisting in the wind.

 

Tyrod Taylor in 15 games:

 

14 TD/4 INT

2 lost fumbles

63% comp

187 ypg

1 INT%

56.2 QBR

 

Allen in 12 games:

 

10 TD/ 12 INT

6 lost fumbles

53% comp

173 ypg

3.8 INT%

49.8 QBR

 

Speaking of LSD...comparing 2018 Allen to this year's Mahomes? He didn't even produce at Taylor's level. Objective Bills fan will readily admit that Allen wasn't very accurate in his first couple years. I guess you're the other guy. 

 

[Kelly to Allen]

1 minute ago, SaulGoodman said:

 

Tyrod Taylor in 15 games:

 

14 TD/4 INT

2 lost fumbles

63% comp

187 ypg

1 INT%

56.2 QBR

 

Allen in 12 games:

 

10 TD/ 12 INT

6 lost fumbles

53% comp

173 ypg

3.8 INT%

49.8 QBR

 

Speaking of LSD...comparing 2018 Allen to this year's Mahomes? He didn't even produce at Taylor's level. Objective Bills fan will readily admit that Allen wasn't very accurate in his first couple years. I guess you're the other guy. 

 

Mahomes didn't play his rookie year. 

[Kelly to Allen]

 

 

Matt verderame who is a KC guy and writes for sports illustrated goes on a diatribe about comparing Allen and Mahomes....

 

The insecurity is pretty ridiculous here

[Einstein]

1 hour ago, SaulGoodman said:

comparing 2018 Allen to this year's Mahomes? 

 

 

Now that you mention it…

 

2018 Allen (11.5 games)

 

2,700 total yards, 18 total TD’s, 12 INT’s

 

2024 Mahomes (11 games)

 

2,800 total yards, 19 TD’s, 11 INT’s

 

 

 

[Beast]

On 11/25/2024 at 7:50 PM, Billl said:

Josh gets credit for being the better runner because he runs in the regular season whereas Patrick doesn’t.  In the regular season game this season, Josh ran 12 times.  Patrick didn’t run once.  Last regular season, Josh ran 10 times.  Patrick ran once.  In 2022, Josh ran 11 times.  Patrick ran 4 times.  

 

In the postseason, Mahomes takes his game to a different level.  He’s got 110 yards rushing in the last 2 Super Bowls.  He had 69 yards and a TD in the 13 seconds game.  Josh puts on his cape in the regular season.  Patrick doesn’t break his out until all the chips are down.  

I think it’s safe to say they both had their capes on in that 13 second game.

[May Day 10]

I am finding it super annoying that any commentators who say anything remotely negative about the Chiefs immediately needs to give a 30-60 second disclaimer about how they know they are going to win all their playoff games automatically and none of this matters.

 

I don't think you can assume they will win all their playoff games.  Especially if they lose the 1 seed.  They don't have that New England feel to me, at least not yet.  

[The Jokeman]

16 hours ago, Kelly to Allen said:

Mahomes didn't play his rookie year. 

well he did play the final game that season. 

[hondo in seattle]

17 hours ago, SaulGoodman said:

 

Tyrod Taylor in 15 games:

 

14 TD/4 INT

2 lost fumbles

63% comp

187 ypg

1 INT%

56.2 QBR

 

Allen in 12 games:

 

10 TD/ 12 INT

6 lost fumbles

53% comp

173 ypg

3.8 INT%

49.8 QBR

 

Speaking of LSD...comparing 2018 Allen to this year's Mahomes? He didn't even produce at Taylor's level. Objective Bills fan will readily admit that Allen wasn't very accurate in his first couple years. I guess you're the other guy. 

 

 

 

Accuracy is a funny metric.   To me, it means putting the ball on target.  To statisticians and many fans,  it means a high completion percentage.  They're not the same.  And in either case, context matters.

 

Inaccurate passes (including picks) can be caused by many things: the QB just throwing a bad ball with no excuse, the QB making a bad decision, the QB being under duress, the receiver running a wrong or slopping route, the ball being tipped at the line of scrimmage, weather...   

 

Completion percentage is effected by all of these but also by things the QB can't control such as scheme, play-calling, wideout separation and talent, the ability of the offense to run the ball and take some pressure off the QB, and so on.

 

Allen has responsibility for some of accuracy problems his first few years but his completion percentage was also adversely effected by other factors such as a porous offensive line, bad scheme, imprecise route running, and so on.  To say it differently, I don't think Allen was personally as bad as some of his bad day/year stats say he was.  

 

One thing that frustrated me is how often Allen threw picks because he was on the run needing to make a play.  It's hard to blame a guy for making a risky throw in an adverse situation when we desperately need to get some yards.  In fact, if you could do a game theory analysis on score, down-and-distance, and all that, some of Allen's "bad  decision" picks probably weren't bad decisions at all.  He made low percentage throws because that was the best hope we had at the time.  

[FLFan]

16 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

Now that you mention it…

 

2018 Allen (11.5 games)

 

2,700 total yards, 18 total TD’s, 12 INT’s

 

2024 Mahomes (11 games)

 

2,800 total yards, 19 TD’s, 11 INT’s

 

 

 

Good one, but you really should probably quit giving this troll air.  Maybe he will go back to the pond scum over at Chief Heaven or whatever they call it.  

[SaulGoodman]

1 hour ago, Einstein said:

 

Now that you mention it…

 

2018 Allen (11.5 games)

 

2,700 total yards, 18 total TD’s, 12 INT’s

 

2024 Mahomes (11 games)

 

2,800 total yards, 19 TD’s, 11 INT’s

 

 

 

I show 2900 total yds. Why not give a more complete picture?

 

Total turnovers: 18-11.

 

8 fumbles to 1. 

 

53% comp to 70%. 

 

3.8 INT% to 2.9

 

49.8 QBR to 66.8

 

So your take is that Allen was great right out of the gate? If so, why didn't he outperform Tyrod Taylor? Mahomes doubled
Alex Smith's best season. 

 

In preseason 2018, KC's roster (including Mahomes) was ranked 13th by ESPN. Buffalo's (w/ AJ McCarron as projected starter) was 16th. Lot of revisionism here.