Chiefs fan excuses

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2 minutes ago, SaulGoodman said:

 

It's not a penalty to knock a QB to the ground a full two yds out of bounds? Interesting. 🤣

 

Pretty sure this is a penalty by the rules too:

 

 

 

Which is why it was defended by every rules expert. 

 

Guess this is why armchair refs are armchair refs. Thanks for proving again that this is a BS narrative formed purely out of bitterness.

 

Over 90% of football fans thought those calls were bogus.

 

It's not like it's "tainted championships" or anything like that. But the Chiefs have gotten the benefit of more calls than most.

 

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2 hours ago, RunTheBall said:

Chief fans on social media are some of the most insecure, obnoxious, unlikeable douchebags on the planet. Chief fans in real life are some of the most down to earth, friendly, knowledgeable, and welcoming fans I know. They’d probably say the same about Bills fans. The thing is, most football fans don’t post on twitter or message boards. We get a very skewed view of “fans” when you are only considering social media.

 

 

Yup-  we just get the insecure fans that feel the need to defend their team from getting attacked by randoms on message boards. 

[Kelly to Allen]

 

 

1 hour ago, Success said:

 

I think that definitely scares Chiefs fans.  They think it's "no argument" because of the titles.

 

As soon as Allen gets one, it won't really be much of a debate anymore, imo.  He's the better QB.

 

I don't think KC is getting any more calls than any other super star might get. 

 

The difference is mahomes greatness 

Getting the one seed usually 

And mostly lucky with their blue chip stars being healthy. 

 

Once in 20 mahomes got hurt but the KC defense held on. And in the 22 AFC championship all rookies were playing in the secondary and two starting wrs went down. 

 

To me that was mahomes finest moment beating a helluva Bengals team with no name wrs. I think kelce played but was a little hurt with his back too

 

The 22 AFC championship is mahomes greatest performance imo. Incredible numbers too

 

2 minutes ago, Success said:

 

Over 90% of football fans thought those calls were bogus.

 

It's not like it's "tainted championships" or anything like that. But the Chiefs have gotten the benefit of more calls than most.

 

Every great player is going to get a few calls. That's just par for the course 

Edited November 24 by Kelly to Allen

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24 minutes ago, SaulGoodman said:

 

Sure. It's just something that's almost never called, especially on a WR. First time in Reid's 25 year career and it just happened to wipe out a game-winning TD. Imagine the response had it been the other way around. 😆

 

But I thought the issue was the fortuitous timing of certain calls. If you'll remember, the KC ref narrative got rolling after the '22 AFCC vs CIN. Do you think knocking a player down two yds out of bounds isn't a penalty?

Yet he was obviously Offside and not a “bad call”.  

the ref didn't throw the flag after the td.  He didn’t know what was about to happen.  That’s what you get for trading for a dumb schmuck and playing him on such an important plays 

6 minutes ago, SaulGoodman said:

 

It's not a penalty to knock a QB to the ground a full two yds out of bounds? Interesting. 🤣

 

Pretty sure this is a penalty by the rules too:

 

 

 

Which is why it was defended by every rules expert. 

 

Guess this is why armchair refs are armchair refs. Thanks for proving again that this is a BS narrative formed purely out of bitterness.

And nick bosa wasn’t held once in last years sb

[Kelly to Allen]

Dylan raiola just did another mahomes impersonation LMFAO. It's getting creepy big time OMG 😳 😂 

42 minutes ago, SaulGoodman said:

 

Lol. You definitely want it to, but that's not reality. 

 

There's a reason that 90% of unbiased analysts agree with us. 

They actually don't. 

 

Ppl are simply waiting for Allen to win the championship because that's how it goes. It's how it should be. 

 

Allen has to beat mahomes in the playoffs and win the super bowl. Then you can officially say Allen is better imo. 

 

I do think Allen is the slightly better QB but they are extremely similar sandlot QBs. 

 

 

 

Edited November 24 by Kelly to Allen

[RunTheBall]

No QB has had more interceptions over turned by a defensive penalty than Patrick Mahomes. Fact. So Chiefs fans can whine all they want about the refs but besides Tom Brady and the Pats*,  no team has been the recipient of more game changing BS flags in their favor than the KC Chiefs. Another fact.

 

 

[SaulGoodman]

25 minutes ago, Success said:

 

Oh, I'm sure "90% of unbiased analysts" is a reliable figure based on your exhaustive research.

 

Allen is the better QB. Period.  Sorry to have to inform you of this.

 

Kelce is slowing down, and he's taking the Mahomes mystique w/ him.

 

 

You're denying that the vast majority of analysts think Mahomes is the best QB in the league?

 

Weird that every program I turn on is discussing his case for GOAT. You should let them know that he's not even the best currently. 

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1 minute ago, SaulGoodman said:

 

You're denying that the vast majority of analysts think Mahomes is the best QB in the league?

 

Weird that every program I turn on is discussing his case for GOAT. You should let them know that he's not even the best currently. 

 

I've actually seen more speculation from pundits this season that Allen is surpassing Mahomes.  I've seen a lot more speculation on that.

 

Sounds like you're clinging to opinion from previous years.

 

[SaulGoodman]

33 minutes ago, Success said:

 

Over 90% of football fans thought those calls were bogus.

 

It's not like it's "tainted championships" or anything like that. But the Chiefs have gotten the benefit of more calls than most.

 

 

I presume you have eyes, right? What do you see in that pic?

 

I'd love to hear the case for how a hit two yds OOB is not a penalty. I've honestly never even heard anyone argue this. The argument is always "they should've let it go in that situation."

 

But yes, 90% of football fans were triggered by those calls. That's how it works when a team wins a lot. 

[90sBills]

26 minutes ago, Kelly to Allen said:

Dylan raiola just did another mahomes impersonation LMFAO. It's getting creepy big time OMG 😳 😂 

They actually don't. 

 

Ppl are simply waiting for Allen to win the championship because that's how it goes. It's how it should be. 

 

Allen has to beat mahomes in the playoffs and win the super bowl. Then you can officially say Allen is better imo. 

 

I do think Allen is the slightly better QB but they are extremely similar sandlot QBs. 

 

 

 

I think Allen is a tremendous qb and is perfect for Buffalo. And yes, agreed that both him and Mahomes have similar off script improv skills that are very exciting to watch as fans. But to say that all Allen has to do is win 1 championship, compared to Mahomes 3, to be instantly considered ‘better’ would require Bills colored glasses and probably a Bills cap too. It would, however, open the floodgates for debate. 

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1 minute ago, SaulGoodman said:

 

I presume you have eyes, right? What do you see in that pic?

 

I'd love to hear the case for how a hit two yds OOB is not a penalty. I've honestly never even heard anyone argue this. The argument is always "they should've let it go in that situation."

 

But yes, 90% of football fans were triggered by those calls. That's how it works when a team wins a lot. 

 

You posted a pic - not the play. It was incidental. It wasn't a good call.

 

You tend to appeal to the authority of mass opinion.  Why are you trying to cherrypick that?

 

[SaulGoodman]

3 minutes ago, Success said:

 

I've actually seen more speculation from pundits this season that Allen is surpassing Mahomes.  I've seen a lot more speculation on that.

 

Sounds like you're clinging to opinion from previous years.

 

 

I heard a lot more of that last year, when his WRs were dropping every other pass. Then it disappeared after he played near-perfect football in the postseason again. 

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2 minutes ago, 90sBills said:

I think Allen is a tremendous qb and is perfect for Buffalo. And yes, agreed that both him and Mahomes have similar off script improv skills that are very exciting to watch as fans. But to say that all Allen has to do is win 1 championship, compared to Mahomes 3, to be instantly considered ‘better’ would require Bills colored glasses and probably a Bills cap too. It would, however, open the floodgates for debate. 

 

I mean, people ARE putting Mahomes in the GOAT debate right now - even though Brady has 4 more titles.  

 

it's not illegitimate.  Titles are a team accomplishment.

 

Just now, SaulGoodman said:

 

I heard a lot more of that last year, when his WRs were dropping every other pass. Then it disappeared after he played near-perfect football in the postseason again. 

 

I'm hearing a lot of it this year.  In fact, most of the football world is starting to make that argument this year.

 

[SaulGoodman]

10 minutes ago, Success said:

 

You posted a pic - not the play. It was incidental. It wasn't a good call.

 

You tend to appeal to the authority of mass opinion.  Why are you trying to cherrypick that?

 

 

Nah, but if the choice is unbiased expert opinion vs extremely biased non-expert opinion, that's an easy call. 

 

Rules experts defended the call. You're not a rules expert. End of story. 

 

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[SaulGoodman]

3 minutes ago, Success said:

 

I mean, people ARE putting Mahomes in the GOAT debate right now - even though Brady has 4 more titles.  

 

it's not illegitimate.  Titles are a team accomplishment.

 

One reason you can make a valid argument for Mahomes as GOAT is that he's clearly more accomplished at this point of his career than Brady was through 6 seasons. Can't win 7 SBs in 6 years. 

 

3 minutes ago, Success said:

 

I'm hearing a lot of it this year.  In fact, most of the football world is starting to make that argument this year.

 

 

"Most" are saying that he's surpassed him? We're talking national analysts right?

 

Saying that he's had the better season thus far is a lot different than saying he's a better player. 

[90sBills]

Just now, Success said:

 

I mean, people ARE putting Mahomes in the GOAT debate right now - even though Brady has 4 more titles.  

 

it's not illegitimate.  Titles are a team accomplishment.

 

I consume a lot of sports shows and have not heard anyone say that. Not even the biggest KC homer, Nick Wright. What I have heard is that people think Mahomes has physical skills that are better than Brady. Also that Mahomes has had the best start to a career of any qb in history. And most have said that if KC were to 3-peat it would be a better argument because that’s something that has never been done in the history of the NFL. The consensus, though, is that Mahomes would have to complete the 3-peat AND get another Super Bowl to a total of 5 to make it a fair argument. Obviously those are very lofty expectations. 
 

As for Allen. I see a significant change in his game this year that’s very impressive. His game is maturing. There’s a lot of optimism right now and I’m looking forward to see what transpires. 

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2 minutes ago, 90sBills said:

I consume a lot of sports shows and have not heard anyone say that. Not even the biggest KC homer, Nick Wright. What I have heard is that people think Mahomes has physical skills that are better than Brady. Also that Mahomes has had the best start to a career of any qb in history. And most have said that if KC were to 3-peat it would be a better argument because that’s something that has never been done in the history of the NFL. The consensus, though, is that Mahomes would have to complete the 3-peat AND get another Super Bowl to a total of 5 to make it a fair argument. Obviously those are very lofty expectations. 
 

As for Allen. I see a significant change in his game this year that’s very impressive. His game is maturing. There’s a lot of optimism right now and I’m looking forward to see what transpires. 

 

We've discussed this before. I don't disrespect your opinion - but you're talking about more of a casual analysis.

 

To say Mahomes has to get to 5 kind of shows the absurdity of the "titles" argument.  It's hard to get a title. It takes SO MUCH MORE than QB play.  It takes great coaching, usually a great defense, and generally at least some luck.

 

It's really the old Dilfer is nowhere near Marino argument. Eli isn't better than Peyton.  I could go on & on. Titles are a team accomplishment.

 

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26 minutes ago, 90sBills said:

I think Allen is a tremendous qb and is perfect for Buffalo. And yes, agreed that both him and Mahomes have similar off script improv skills that are very exciting to watch as fans. But to say that all Allen has to do is win 1 championship, compared to Mahomes 3, to be instantly considered ‘better’ would require Bills colored glasses and probably a Bills cap too. It would, however, open the floodgates for debate. 

It's very simple. Do you think mahomes could win a super bowl or multiple with Sean McDermott?

 

If you need to pause then you have your answer.

 

But generally I agree with you, if Allen wins the Superbowl this year it's going to open the flood gates especially if he beats mahomes in the playoffs and obviously with a defensive HC who has had his own blunders. 

 

It's going to be very hard to dismiss it 

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[90sBills]

3 minutes ago, Success said:

 

We've discussed this before. I don't disrespect your opinion - but you're talking about more of a casual analysis.

 

To say Mahomes has to get to 5 kind of shows the absurdity of the "titles" argument.  It's hard to get a title. It takes SO MUCH MORE than QB play.  It takes great coaching, usually a great defense, and generally at least some luck.

 

It's really the old Dilfer is nowhere near Marino argument. Eli isn't better than Peyton.  I could go on & on. Titles are a team accomplishment.

 

Getting to 5 championships is the argument that analysts on shows make. You’re making the assumption that I agree with that. One of the greatest attribute Brady had was longevity. I don’t think that will ever be surpassed and it’s an achievement that should not be taken lightly imo.

 

Yes we have discussed this before about qb’s getting judged on championships. It does take a whole team to win one obviously. But if you draw up a pie of responsibility the qb would get a big chunk of that in today’s NFL. That’s why they get paid the way they do. A scenario with Trent Dilfer be a winning sb qb on a team that’s led by a dominant defense isn’t going to happen because of all the rules changes. It’s so tilted in the offense’s favor.

 

If you don’t want to count SB wins as a qb stat then you’re really just leaving it up to subjective preferences. It’s a team game with team goals. The leader, qb, should be judged on team accomplishments. Same as corporate leaders if a company does or doesn’t do well. 

[90sBills]

9 minutes ago, Kelly to Allen said:

It's very simple. Do you think mahomes could win a super bowl or multiple with Sean McDermott?

 

If you need to pause then you have your answer.

 

I think presenting hypotheticals is a poor way of looking at these things. It’s better to deal with reality.