Chiefs fan excuses

[LabattBlue]

3 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

What i’ve noticed is that defenses are afraid to hit him near the sidelines, so he pretends like he is going to go out, defender slows up, and then he cuts it back upfield.

 

 

 

 

 

This has been going on for years.  I am waiting for some heat seeking missile to knock his head off when he pulls this cutesy crap. 

[f0neguy]

Absolutely.  If he’s near the sideline but still in bounds, light him up.  If you get a penalty so be it.  Next time he runs he might have to make a business decision.

[Goin Breakdown]

3 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

What i’ve noticed is that defenses are afraid to hit him near the sidelines, so he pretends like he is going to go out, defender slows up, and then he cuts it back upfield.

 

 

 

 

 

Knowing this I think it would be fair to blast him. You see QBs get hit on the sideline or even after they cross the sideline all the time. Not with this guy. Need to protect the face of the NFL

[SaulGoodman]

1 hour ago, Einstein said:

Allen was SEVERELY handicapped in terms of where he was drafted compared to Mahomes. In fact, I can’t think of a player in NFL history who had a softer or easier landing to the NFL than Mahomes had.

 

Mahomes walked into:

 

- HOF offensive head coach

- HOF Tight End

- HOF Wide Receiver

- An above average QB to learn from

- A team that had gone to the playoffs 4 of the previous 5 years (including the divisional round in 2 of those years).

 

Allen walked into:

 

- First time defensive head coach 

- Zero good WR’s

- Zero good TE’s

- Nathan freaking Peterman to learn from

- A team that had gone to the playoffs 1 time in the past TWO DECADES.

 

Put simply? Mahomes just had to take a team that had been knocking on the door for several years , over that hump. Mahomes started on Level 8, on a quest on Level 10. Allen started at Level 0.

 

It’s actually incredible to think about how Allen has matched Mahomes in nearly every statistic despite the odds against him.

 

If Allen was drafted to the Chiefs and Mahomes was drafted here, Allen would have the rings and Mahomes would be thought of as the guy who just couldn’t get past Allen.

 

I've already said that Mahomes had more talent around him in the first couple years, but that advantage hasn't been there for several years now. You also fail to mention that Mahomes inherited an awful defense. 

 

You're dramatically exaggerating how bad Allen's situation was. Tyrod Taylor of all people got the Bills to the playoffs the year before Allen came into the league. Allen's stats were worse than Taylor's his first year. He clearly wasn't ready to dominate the world at that point, no matter where he landed. Mahomes literally doubled Alex Smith's numbers from the year before, and that was by far Smith's best season as a pro. 

Edited November 26 by SaulGoodman

[Einstein]

1 hour ago, SaulGoodman said:

 

I've already said that Mahomes had more talent around him

 

That’s a huge understatement.

 

It was not just player talent, but also coaching, and organizational stability, and sitting behind a rather good QB and learning from him for an entire year.

 

Mahomes sat for an entire season and was coached up by the greatest offensive coach the NFL has ever seen.

 

Allen has all of Mahomes rings if the roles were reversed.

 

1 hour ago, SaulGoodman said:

You're dramatically exaggerating how bad Allen's situation was. Tyrod Taylor of all people got the Bills to the playoffs the year before Allen came into the league.

 

The Bills backed into the playoffs that year due to a miracle by Tyler Boyd. They lost 5 of their last 9 games and was a 4th down TD, scored from MIDFIELD, away from not making it. And then they scored 3 total points points in the playoffs. We made it by luck, not because the team was good.

Edited November 26 by Einstein

[Success]

1 hour ago, SaulGoodman said:

 

I've already said that Mahomes had more talent around him in the first couple years, but that advantage hasn't been there for several years now. You also fail to mention that Mahomes inherited an awful defense. 

 

You're dramatically exaggerating how bad Allen's situation was. Tyrod Taylor of all people got the Bills to the playoffs the year before Allen came into the league. Allen's stats were worse than Taylor's his first year. He clearly wasn't ready to dominate the world at that point, no matter where he landed. Mahomes literally doubled Alex Smith's numbers from the year before, and that was by far Smith's best season as a pro. 

 

That was not a good Tyrod Taylor team, and they didn't have a good record, and they completely backed into the playoffs w/ a miracle play in another game the final week.

 

Mahomes' situation was so much better than Allen's entering the league.

 

[transient]

6 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

What i’ve noticed is that defenses are afraid to hit him near the sidelines, so he pretends like he is going to go out, defender slows up, and then he cuts it back upfield.

 

 

 

 

 

The league needs to step in with this sh!t and make it equivalent to a QB slide. If you're giving yourself up, which is what that is akin to, then the play's dead. If you want to be a punk ass little B word and pull that every time like Mahomes does either the clock should keep running with the play being dead or it should be an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty.

[SaulGoodman]

17 minutes ago, Success said:

 

That was not a good Tyrod Taylor team, and they didn't have a good record, and they completely backed into the playoffs w/ a miracle play in another game the final week.

 

Mahomes' situation was so much better than Allen's entering the league.

 

 

Mahomes had a lot more offensive talent the first few years, yeah. But let's not act like Allen was drafted by a 2-14 team with a terrible coach. They were a decent team with a good coach, good running game and a good defense. 

Edited November 26 by SaulGoodman

[Success]

3 minutes ago, SaulGoodman said:

 

Mahomes had a lot more offensive talent the first few years, yeah. But let's not act like Allen was drafted by a 2-14 team with a terrible coach. They were a decent team with a good coach, good running game and a good defense. 

 

Mahomes' coaching situation is more of a differentiator, imo.

 

Reid & Spags are both at the top of the game.  I don't think the Bills coaching is bad, but there isn't a comparison there.

 

[Warcodered]

They were clearly thinking ahead preparing for a game against a dominant Panthers team.

[SaulGoodman]

 

1 hour ago, Einstein said:

Mahomes sat for an entire season and was coached up by the greatest offensive coach the NFL has ever seen.

 

Who was saying this about Reid in 2017? And what convinced you that he's the greatest offensive coach ever?

 

1 hour ago, Einstein said:

Allen has all of Mahomes rings if the roles were reversed.

 

What makes you think Allen would beat Cincinnati in the '22 AFCC? Remember, the scenario is he has a high ankle sprain, his best WR is MVS, bottom half rushing attack, mediocre tackles, and his defense is average at best. Allen had a better supporting cast than Mahomes that year and lost to the same team at home, scoring 10 pts. 

 

He wasn't winning it all as a rookie, no matter where he was. Definitely not with that KC defense.

 

And there's no reason to think he would go on the road and do what Mahomes did last year.  Or that he would have won behind that terrible OL in Tampa. His best chance would probably have been 2019, but he wasn't nearly the QB then that he is now. 

 

 

1 hour ago, Einstein said:

 

The Bills backed into the playoffs that year due to a miracle by Tyler Boyd. They lost 5 of their last 9 games and was a 4th down TD, scored from MIDFIELD, away from not making it. And then they scored 3 total points points in the playoffs. We made it by luck, not because the team was good.

 

Let's put it this way. Put 2018 Tyrod Taylor on one of the worst rosters in the league today, at an unstable organization. Is he winning 9 games? I think that's very unlikely.

 

 

Edited November 26 by SaulGoodman

[Einstein]

1 hour ago, SaulGoodman said:

 

Mahomes had a lot more offensive talent the first few years, yeah. But let's not act like Allen was drafted by a 2-14 team with a terrible coach. They were a decent team with a good coach, good running game and a good defense. 

 

No.

 

He was not.

 

He was drafted into a 6-10 team that lucked out and won a couple extra games than they should have. Happens every year that a team overachieves.

 

Proof? The Bills went 6-10 that following year. Heck, the only reason Allen became the starter that year (the plan was to sit him like Mahomes did the first year) is because we were SO BAD that they tried to find a spark any way possible.

 

Youre just making things up.

[SaulGoodman]

1 hour ago, Einstein said:

 

No.

 

He was not.

 

He was drafted into a 6-10 team that lucked out and won a couple extra games than they should have. Happens every year that a team overachieves.

 

Proof? The Bills went 6-10 that following year. Heck, the only reason Allen became the starter that year (the plan was to sit him like Mahomes did the first year) is because we were SO BAD that they tried to find a spark any way possible.

 

Youre just making things up.

 

Allen had 3x as many turnovers as Tyrod Taylor the year before, in three fewer starts. Nearly 4% INT% vs 1%. His comp % was 10% lower than Taylor's.

 

Let's not act like Allen didn't contribute to that 6-10 record. 

[Success]

17 minutes ago, SaulGoodman said:

 

Allen had 3x as many turnovers as Tyrod Taylor the year before, in three fewer starts. Nearly 4% INT% vs 1%. His comp % was 10% lower than Taylor's.

 

Let's not act like Allen didn't contribute to that 6-10 record. 

 

How many big plays did he make?

 

Allen had a ton of turnovers last year, too - and the Bills still ended up with a great record and high seed.  Largely because of Allen.

 

A stat like the one above without any other context is absolutely meaningless.

 

[Einstein]

33 minutes ago, SaulGoodman said:

 

Allen had 3x as many turnovers as Tyrod Taylor the year before, in three fewer starts. Nearly 4% INT% vs 1%. His comp % was 10% lower than Taylor's.

 

Let's not act like Allen didn't contribute to that 6-10 record. 

 

Rookie’s will do that.

 

Thats why they sat Mahomes his rookie year too.

 

Difference is, KC didn’t need a jumpstart by starting their rookie. Because Mahomes was drafted to a multi-year playoff team. 

 

The fact that you’re hanging your hat on a 9-7 season where the Bills lost 5 of their last 9 and wins came against a 5-11 Jets team, 5-11 Broncos, 5-11 Bucs, 6-10 Raiders, 4-12 Colts, and 6-10 Dolphins (twice).

 

That’s right - 7 of the 9 wins that season came against teams with a 6-10 or wore record. They won TWO total games against teams with a 7-9 or better record.

That’s what you’re hanging your hat on.

 

All in an effort to not admit that Mahomes was drafted into the most luxurious, soft, perfect situation in NFL history, while Allen was drafted onto a team with a first time head defensive coach, who just fired their OC, and had no receiving weapons, and had misses the playoffs for 18 of the past 19 seasons.

 

[Buffalo716]

3 hours ago, SaulGoodman said:

 

Mahomes had a lot more offensive talent the first few years, yeah. But let's not act like Allen was drafted by a 2-14 team with a terrible coach. They were a decent team with a good coach, good running game and a good defense. 

The bills backed into the playoffs for the first time in 17 years... They lost four out of their last five games 

 

Their defense got turnovers but could not stop most offenses 

 

The Chiefs made the playoffs five out of the eight years prior... In 2017 you couldn't even compare the franchises 

 

The bills had 17 years of ineptitude and were considered the laughing stock of the league... The chiefs were becoming a model of consistency, winning, being able to sit a first round quarterback an entire year behind a good quarterback 

 

While having Andy Reid who is considered a guru 

 

In 2016 the chiefs were considered a great model franchise... In 2016 the bills were a joke 

 

The bills front office from top down had to do a lot to change the culture of the franchise.. 

[Einstein]

2 hours ago, Success said:

 

How many big plays did he make?

 

Allen had a ton of turnovers last year, too - and the Bills still ended up with a great record and high seed.  Largely because of Allen.

 

A stat like the one above without any other context is absolutely meaningless.

 

 

Wanna know the funny part?

 

Allen didn’t even throw an astronomical amount of interceptions that year.

 

He had 12.

 

Which is… *checks notes* … only 1 more INT than Mahomes has thrown through 11 games this season. 

 

So… in Saul’s mind, the Bills only won 6 games that year because Allen threw 1 more INT than Mahomes has thrown while leading the Chiefs to a 10-1 record.

 

There is no amount of LSD or DMT that could make that logic make sense.

 

Saul is just twisting in the wind.

 

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Edited November 26 by Einstein

[SaulGoodman]

3 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

Rookie’s will do that.

 

Thats why they sat Mahomes his rookie year too.

 

Difference is, KC didn’t need a jumpstart by starting their rookie. Because Mahomes was drafted to a multi-year playoff team. 

 

The fact that you’re hanging your hat on a 9-7 season where the Bills lost 5 of their last 9 and wins came against a 5-11 Jets team, 5-11 Broncos, 5-11 Bucs, 6-10 Raiders, 4-12 Colts, and 6-10 Dolphins (twice).

 

That’s right - 7 of the 9 wins that season came against teams with a 6-10 or wore record. They won TWO total games against teams with a 7-9 or better record.

That’s what you’re hanging your hat on.

 

You could say that about a lot of teams in any given year. How many elite teams does Buffalo beat per year?

 

3 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

All in an effort to not admit that Mahomes was drafted into the most luxurious, soft, perfect situation in NFL history, while Allen was drafted onto a team with a first time head defensive coach, who just fired their OC, and had no receiving weapons, and had misses the playoffs for 18 of the past 19 seasons.

 

 

What matters is the year before. Not the 17 years before that. Especially considering all of that happened under different coaches. The roster he inherited was weaker than Mahomes', but not an awful situation. 

 

 

[ToGoGo]

17 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

Wanna know the funny part?

 

Allen didn’t even throw an astronomical amount of receptions that year.

 

He had 12.

 

Which is… *checks notes* … only 1 more INT than Mahomes has thrown through 11 games this season. 

 

So… in Saul’s mind, the Bills only won 6 games that year because Allen threw 1 more INT than Mahomes has thrown while leading the Chiefs to a 10-1 record.

 

There is no amount of LSD or DMT that could make that logic make sense.

 

Saul is just twisting in the wind.

 

 

 

Saul is twisting in the wind for the same reason he's made Two Bills Drive his home.

 

It's because he knows deep down that Allen is better than Mahomes. And it scares him. 

[Buffalo716]

18 minutes ago, SaulGoodman said:

 

You could say that about a lot of teams in any given year. How many elite teams does Buffalo beat per year?

 

 

What matters is the year before. Not the 17 years before that. Especially considering all of that happened under different coaches. The roster he inherited was weaker than Mahomes', but not an awful situation. 

 

 

Did you just start watching football last season? Honestly 

 

Because culture and history has a lot to do with everything.. one 9-7 season beating terrible teams and backing into the playoffs because the Bengals had a miracle... 

 

Doesn't undo 20 years of piss poor decisions from top down... Bad drafting bad coaching hires bad management... 

 

One barely squeaked through season doesn't change 20 years of ineptitude...

 

Sean didn't have the culture fully changed and embraced by everybody till year 4 of his regime... It took years of him gutting out our top players and divas .. redoing our cap 

 

It was a process 

 

We did not have a team that could even compete with anything Kansas City had till the 4th season in....

 

The roster McDermott inherited is not even comparable to what Patrick mahomes inherited lol

Edited November 26 by Buffalo716