Chiefs fan excuses

[Kelly to Allen]

3 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

30 touchdowns 26 pics in the playoffs for Bradshaw 

 

32 tds 24 picks for Marino

 

3800 yards for Bradshaw 

 

4500 for Marino 

 

Marino also did it in one less game...

 

Neither set the world on fire in the playoffs, but it's clear who had the better team

 

I have to pull up the games. Everyone older has told me Bradshaw was better in the playoffs especially in bad weather. But maybe that's bias. 

 

Marino in the 90 division Rd was really good vs buffalo but Kelly was on fire. Couldn't stop lofton 

[Buffalo716]

Just now, Kelly to Allen said:

 

I have to pull up the games. Everyone older has told me Bradshaw was better in the playoffs especially in bad weather. But maybe that's bias. 

 

Marino in the 90 division Rd was really good vs buffalo but Kelly was on fire. Couldn't stop lofton 

I mean I haven't watched the games in years 

 

But the Steelers were absolutely way more loaded than Marino's dolphins ... And again it's the ultimate team game 

 

Sure, was Bradshaw clutch, yea... But I think Dan Marino wins at least four super bowls if he gets to play with the same era Steelers team 

 

There's no universe where Bradshaw is better

[Kelly to Allen]

7 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

I mean I haven't watched the games in years 

 

But the Steelers were absolutely way more loaded than Marino's dolphins ... And again it's the ultimate team game 

 

Sure, was Bradshaw clutch, yea... But I think Dan Marino wins at least four super bowls if he gets to play with the same era Steelers team 

 

There's no universe where Bradshaw is better

I have always wondered like other Bills fans if we drafted Marino instead of Kelly. 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

21 hours ago, sven233 said:

We could win 5 Super Bowls in a row and I still wouldn't be as cocky or arrogant as most of that fan base.  They have had a few years of success and all of a sudden they forgot about the 50 years prior when they were a joke and now believe they are owed the Super Bowl every year from now until the end of time.  It's like they have lost all ability to be objective. 

 

I don't know.  Maybe it's just the way I'm wired, but I just have never blindly followed teams I love.  I am always looking for the strengths and weaknesses in my teams in order to find ways to be better.  When we're good I'm still looking for ways to be even better.  When we lose, or aren't playing our best, I don't just ignore it and pretend everything is just going to magically get better.

 

I mean, I get it.....they've won a lot (for a variety of different reasons, but that's besides the point).  But to think you are just invincible, especially after many of their biggest wins, were by razor sharp margins and in some cases getting gifted wins and getting extremely lucky and fortunate in the biggest moments.  You don't have to look far to see it.  Virtually every win they have had this season you can point to 1 thing that could have changed the outcome of those games starting all the way back on opening night with a toe against Baltimore to just today struggling with a 3 win Panthers team that took them to OT.  If you are truly and objective fan, I don't see how you can look at how you have played this season and feel 100% confident in where they are at.

 

Now, of course, they are a good team.  They are absolutely a Super Bowl contender and can beat any team on any given day.  They can definitely win the Super Bowl in the end.  The difference is this season, you can say that about a few other teams as well.  One of these years, and hopefully it will be this season, they are going to get humbled in the playoffs and hopefully it will give these intolerable fans a reality check that this league and this game owe you nothing.  What happens that one time a coach doesn't blow a next to impossible lead with 13 seconds left?  What happens when they don't get that phantom penalty call in a big moment that they always seem to get?  What happens when they play a team that is their equal, or maybe even better than them, at full health instead of their opponent literally pulling guys off their couches to cover their best players just days before the game?  Or, what happens when a team comes along and just punches them in the mouth early and never look back and just put the pedal on the floor against them for 60 minutes instead of playing scared against them?  This team needs to be humbled.  Their fan base needs to be humbled.  And, hopefully, that lesson comes from our team this season.  If not us, someone they play prior to meeting us in the Playoffs.

Chiefs fans act like Patriots fans did.

 

Namely, that they had a hand in building the team. As if Brad Veach had another name on the card and the smart Chiefs fans stormed the room and scribbled out the name and wrote in Mahomes.

 

Patriots fans for years would lecture Bills fans and the league on what “good football looks like”.  

[SaulGoodman]

29 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

As much as I love Josh he doesn't always make the play which guys like Mahomes and Brady for as both of them always calm and cool where at times Josh struggled. I mean if liken him to Manning think that's fair but think he's more of an Elway who many put behind Montana due to titles yet to me Always was the most complete QB to ever play in the NFL. 

 

You have Elway as the most complete? That's always a fun debate on KC and Denver boards. 

 

My earliest memories of Elway were near the end of his career, although I've watched old games and highlights too. My impression's always been that he had all the tools but wasn't consistent enough. He got a lot of media hype because he was marketed as the next big thing out of college, and made some flashy plays, comebacks, etc. But he also threw a ton of INTs and disappeared for big stretches. One of the reasons he was in a position to come back so often was he put them in that spot by not playing well early. And one thing they never mention is that he failed to make the comeback a lot more than he succeeded. 

 

I think he had as much talent as probably any QB ever, but I think his career was overhyped. But maybe I needed to watch him play consistently during his early years to better judge. 

[Kelly to Allen]

8 minutes ago, SaulGoodman said:

 

You have Elway as the most complete? That's always a fun debate on KC and Denver boards. 

 

My earliest memories of Elway were near the end of his career, although I've watched old games and highlights too. My impression's always been that he had all the tools but wasn't consistent enough. He got a lot of media hype because he was marketed as the next big thing out of college, and made some flashy plays, comebacks, etc. But he also threw a ton of INTs and disappeared for big stretches. One of the reasons he was in a position to come back so often was he put them in that spot by not playing well early. And one thing they never mention is that he failed to make the comeback a lot more than he succeeded. 

 

I think he had as much talent as probably any QB ever, but I think his career was overhyped. But maybe I needed to watch him play consistently during his early years to better judge. 

Elways greatness in the playoffs is overshadowed by the Blowouts in the super bowl 

 

His AFC championship performance vs Cleveland in 1989 is absolutely special. 

 

Elway in the 80s Was on some pretty meh teams. 

 

1989 AFC championship game highlights -

 

Edited November 26 by Kelly to Allen

[90sBills]

45 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

As much as I love Josh he doesn't always make the play which guys like Mahomes and Brady for as both of them always calm and cool where at times Josh struggled. I mean if liken him to Manning think that's fair but think he's more of an Elway who many put behind Montana due to titles yet to me Always was the most complete QB to ever play in the NFL. 

Allen has been much calmer in crunch time this year. It’s a maturation process. I think he’ll get to that point that you’re talking about. The signs are very encouraging imo. 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

49 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

As much as I love Josh he doesn't always make the play which guys like Mahomes and Brady for as both of them always calm and cool where at times Josh struggled. I mean if liken him to Manning think that's fair but think he's more of an Elway who many put behind Montana due to titles yet to me Always was the most complete QB to ever play in the NFL. 

So we have the guy who wins 1 Super Bowl, not 5.

 

I don’t care, just let the City of Buffalo just once freaking lift a Championship trophy. 
 

[The Jokeman]

25 minutes ago, Kelly to Allen said:

I have always wondered like other Bills fans if we drafted Marino instead of Kelly. 

The best thing for Kelly is he played in the USFL which allowed the Bills to bottom out and draft Bruce Smith 1st overall in 1985. Honestly as much as people applied Kelly abilities in a Gun offense truth is his in ability to keep the offense on the field tired our defense in Super Bowl XXV. Toss in he was a gun slinger just like Favre I can't remember how many times I'd curse Kelly out in my teen years. Also that offense went through Thurman not Kelly. If you put Marino in the same position of Thurman, Reed and Lofton I think we won Super Bowl XXV and XXVIII.

9 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

So we have the guy who wins 1 Super Bowl, not 5.

 

I don’t care, just let the City of Buffalo just once freaking lift a Championship trophy. 
 

I'm not complaining I love Josh just being fair in my judgement. I'm happy with just one Super Bowl in my lifetime.

[SaulGoodman]

44 minutes ago, Kelly to Allen said:

 

 

What is your opinion of the 19 playoff game comeback vs the Texans. 

 

One of the greatest offensive performances I've ever seen by a QB imo. It almost felt like the Texans could've even been up 30 plus and it still wouldn't of mattered lol

 

What is your memory of that game and what were you thinking when KC fell behind 24-0.

 

That's the game that put mahomes in a different stratosphere imo

I agree. Allen has a lot of favre in him and I don't think that type of backyard sandlot style will ever go away. 

 

Big Ben is another close comp

 

 

That game might be my favorite memory of the Mahomes era, considering the context. 

 

It had been 50 years since the Chiefs had gone to the SB. 1 playoff win in 20+ years. They seemed to invent new and more agonizing ways to lose in the postseason every year. And then comes 24-0. They finally had the team to get it done and it felt like it was over before it started. 

 

The first quarter was like being sent to football hell. It was so disastrous, it seemed scripted. The cherry on top was Hill almost getting decapitated on an incompletion. At that point, I just shook my head and accepted that KC was eternally cursed. Hill's dead, season's over...I'll never see a SB. Lol.

 

It was surreal to have the lead at halftime. When they went on to win the SB, it honestly felt a little anticlimactic compared to the drama of that game. 

[Vod Kanockers]

22 hours ago, SaulGoodman said:

 

For ***** and giggles, I decided to read the Illuminatus Trilogy recently. I was surprised to see that one of the main characters was named Saul Goodman. Had no idea that’s what inspired the name.

Interesting fun fact… If you’re from Western NY, the character was actually based on our own Jim “The Hammer” Shapiro! Got a chuckle out of that when I found that out! 

[Don Otreply]

I hear they are blaming the loss on Saul Goodman, 

[Mikie2times]

5 hours ago, Kelly to Allen said:

Elways greatness in the playoffs is overshadowed by the Blowouts in the super bowl 

 

His AFC championship performance vs Cleveland in 1989 is absolutely special. 

 

Elway in the 80s Was on some pretty meh teams. 

 

1989 AFC championship game highlights -

 

I remember that Houston playoff game as well in 91 or 92, he was something watch late in games 

[Scott7975]

9 hours ago, Billl said:

Josh gets credit for being the better runner because he runs in the regular season whereas Patrick doesn’t.  In the regular season game this season, Josh ran 12 times.  Patrick didn’t run once.  Last regular season, Josh ran 10 times.  Patrick ran once.  In 2022, Josh ran 11 times.  Patrick ran 4 times.  

 

In the postseason, Mahomes takes his game to a different level.  He’s got 110 yards rushing in the last 2 Super Bowls.  He had 69 yards and a TD in the 13 seconds game.  Josh puts on his cape in the regular season.  Patrick doesn’t break his out until all the chips are down.  

 

Mahomes is a sneaky good runner. I think what people mean is he aint going to leap or even truck people like Josh can. Josh runs when other stuff isnt working. Ive seen Mahomes do the same thing in the regular season. Its just not that often that other stuff isnt working for Mahomes.

[ganesh]

On 11/22/2024 at 1:08 AM, transient said:

And because McDermott was so afraid that a younger, faster Dorian Williams would make mistakes that he decided to let AJ Klein play glacially slow but mistake free football with Travis Kelce running wide open 10 yards in front of him.

When the defender is 10 yards away, every play is Mistake free as there is no opportunity to make a mistake 🙂.   Go Bills !!!

8 hours ago, 90sBills said:

Allen has been much calmer in crunch time this year. It’s a maturation process. I think he’ll get to that point that you’re talking about. The signs are very encouraging imo. 

The only time Allen did the old Allen thing was the three downs against Houston in the waning seconds of the game.  On 1st down, he went for the kill...once he missed, then he tried to make some (almost) reckless plays on 2nd and 3rd down and giving the Texans great field position.   That game was really odd especially with his 30% completion percentage...

[Einstein]

3 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

 

Mahomes is a sneaky good runner. I think what people mean is he aint going to leap or even truck people like Josh can. Josh runs when other stuff isnt working. Ive seen Mahomes do the same thing in the regular season. Its just not that often that other stuff isnt working for Mahomes.

 

What i’ve noticed is that defenses are afraid to hit him near the sidelines, so he pretends like he is going to go out, defender slows up, and then he cuts it back upfield.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited November 26 by Einstein

[SaulGoodman]

3 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

Football is the ultimate team game 

 

One player does not make a team... Patrick mahomes does not do it by himself 

 

You could say the same thing then that the bills are high just because of Josh Allen 

 

Cuz by no metric through 7 years has Josh Allen had a better supporting cast around him then Patrick mahomes 

 

Maybe it's evened out over the last couple of years... But going back to day one it's not even close whose head better football teams around them 

 

Nobody thinks Terry Bradshaw is better than Dan Marino just because he has four super bowls 

 

It's a team game 

 

Josh Allen hasn't played with one bona fide Hall of famer on offense... Patrick mahomes has Kelce and had hill... And had a better offensive line for majority of his career

 

Diggs is a really good football player not Hall of Fame... And he disappeared every post season and he was our offensive guy

 

 

Mahomes had a solid advantage in talent the first two seasons, but not since. Allen wasn't ready to win big in his first two years anyway. 

 

You say it's the ultimate team game, yet you zero in on a couple players. Having Kelce and/or Hill only gave Mahomes an advantage at a few positions, not all across the roster. The fact that KC won one SB with Hill but every SB since he left shows his impact is a little overstated. And Kelce hasn't been prime Kelce for awhile. 

 

Diggs had some big playoff games, and having low stats doesn't necessarily mean a receiver isn't contributing. The attention he drew from the defense allowed Gabe Davis to score four TDs in the 13 seconds game. Talk about stepping up...you won't find a better example than that. 

[Einstein]

4 minutes ago, SaulGoodman said:

 

Mahomes had a solid advantage in talent the first two seasons, but not since. Allen wasn't ready to win big in his first two years anyway. 

 

You say it's the ultimate team game, yet you zero in on a couple players. Having Kelce and/or Hill only gave Mahomes an advantage at a few positions, not all across the roster. The fact that KC won one SB with Hill but every SB since he left shows his impact is a little overstated. And Kelce hasn't been prime Kelce for awhile. 

Allen was SEVERELY handicapped in terms of where he was drafted compared to Mahomes. In fact, I can’t think of a player in NFL history who had a softer or easier landing to the NFL than Mahomes had.

 

Mahomes walked into:

 

- HOF offensive head coach

- HOF Tight End

- HOF Wide Receiver

- An above average QB to learn from

- A team that had gone to the playoffs 4 of the previous 5 years (including the divisional round in 2 of those years).

 

Allen walked into:

 

- First time defensive head coach 

- Zero good WR’s

- Zero good TE’s

- Nathan freaking Peterman to learn from

- A team that had gone to the playoffs 1 time in the past TWO DECADES.

 

Put simply? Mahomes just had to take a team that had been knocking on the door for several years , over that hump. Mahomes started on Level 8, on a quest on Level 10. Allen started at Level 0.

 

It’s actually incredible to think about how Allen has matched Mahomes in nearly every statistic despite the odds against him.

 

If Allen was drafted to the Chiefs and Mahomes was drafted here, Allen would have the rings and Mahomes would be thought of as the guy who just couldn’t get past Allen.

[Mat68]

6 minutes ago, Einstein said:

Allen was SEVERELY handicapped in terms of where he was drafted compared to Mahomes. In fact, I can’t think of a player in NFL history who had a softer or easier landing to the NFL than Mahomes had.

 

Mahomes walked into:

 

- HOF offensive head coach

- HOF Tight End

- HOF Wide Receiver

- An above average QB to learn from

- A team that had gone to the playoffs 4 of the previous 5 years (including the divisional round in 2 of those years).

 

Allen walked into:

 

- First time defensive head coach 

- Zero good WR’s

- Zero good TE’s

- Nathan freaking Peterman to learn from

- A team that had gone to the playoffs 1 time in the past TWO DECADES.

 

Put simply? Mahomes just had to take a team that had been knocking on the door for several years , over that hump. Mahomes started on Level 8, on a quest on Level 10. Allen started at Level 0.

 

It’s actually incredible to think about how Allen has matched Mahomes in nearly every statistic despite the odds against him.

 

If Allen was drafted to the Chiefs and Mahomes was drafted here, Allen would have the rings and Mahomes would be thought of as the guy who just couldn’t get past Allen.

Mahomes played great immediately.  Thats him and his talent.  The situation assisted that.  I firmly believe if Buffalo drafts Mahomes and Allen ends up in KC a year later  the team’s success and failures wouldn't be much different.  
 

In terms of production Allen is chasing down Mahomes in a lot of categories.  Mahomes has the hardware but Allen is currently the prolific player.  This season he is becoming the more efficient player.  Sports are not linear.  Because, someone starts better doesn't mean they stay better.  I think this season Allen gets Buffalo to the mountain top.  When he does talk will start if Allen is the best player in the NFL.  I think in a few years he will widely accepted as that. 

[Alphadawg7]

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