Chiefs fan excuses

[Beck Water]

  On 11/21/2024 at 7:06 PM, Mat68 said:

Kelce went off in the playoffs because Buffalo was without Benard, Milano, Rapp, Douglas.  Dodson played through an ankle injury. That was the difference in the game. 

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Correct idea, but Douglas was playing with a bum ankle, Benford was not playing (Dane Jackson played 100% of the snaps), and Dodson was playing next to AJ Klein with a wrecked shoulder in a brace.  Gabe Davis was also out.

[Kelly to Allen]

  On 11/23/2024 at 4:16 AM, Beck Water said:

 

Correct idea, but Douglas was playing with a bum ankle, Benford was not playing (Dane Jackson played 100% of the snaps), and Dodson was playing next to AJ Klein with a wrecked shoulder in a brace.  Gabe Davis was also out.

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Losing Benford and Bernard vs the Steelers was the last straw. Those two are incredibly dynamic 

[SaulGoodman]

  On 11/23/2024 at 3:51 AM, Ecmic82 said:

The two teams that spend the most time within these “close situation” parameters have the most penalties against? Really? That’s not insight.

 

the Chiefs have spent about 234 out of a possible 310 minutes within these parameters. That’s a relatively high ratio. The Colts as well (they’ve played like one game that didn’t end as a one-score game). Since this is a Bills board I’ll use them as an example: they’ve played about 166 minutes out of a possible 330 within the parameters (since the article uses only second half minutes, that’s close to two and a half games less that Kansas City).

 

Teams that generally play tight games will, generally, have more total flags against them in tight game situations than do teams that play within these situations less often. That article chose to write a narrative in search of a stat. They did it backwards.

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Lol. And there it is. You guys really want to believe the conspiracy theory. 

 

If KC consistently benefited disproportionately from calls/no-calls in these situations, as we're told, they wouldn't be #1 in this stat. It's okay to admit the league isn't fixing games for the Chiefs. 

 

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[Ecmic82]

  On 11/23/2024 at 4:44 AM, SaulGoodman said:

 

Lol. And there it is. You guys really want to believe the conspiracy theory. 

 

If KC consistently benefited disproportionately from calls/no-calls in these situations, as we're told, they wouldn't be #1 in this stat. It's okay to admit the league isn't fixing games for the Chiefs. 

 

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That’s a worthless stat. You use the word “disproportionate”, but that’s not even a proportionate stat. 

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[SaulGoodman]

  On 11/23/2024 at 4:51 AM, Ecmic82 said:

That’s a worthless stat. You use the word “disproportionate”, but that’s not even a proportionate stat. 

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As worthless as the biased opinions of armchair refs? 

 

There are no stats that support the narrative. 

[Ecmic82]

  On 11/23/2024 at 5:11 AM, SaulGoodman said:

 

As worthless as the biased opinions of armchair refs? 

 

There are no stats that support the narrative. 

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That may be true.

 

But the stat in that article doesn’t prove what the author seems to think it does.

 

you used the correct word.  But there is no “proportionate” representation in the author’s analysis. He uses only raw quantities, and falls on his face.

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[Scott7975]

  On 11/21/2024 at 7:32 AM, SaulGoodman said:

 

The "crippled" talk doesn't mesh with your fans' predictions before the game (which you can see in the thread I linked). Why were so many predicting a crippled team to win by 10-30 points?

 

Supposing the Bills were crippled by injury...what's that got to do with the other 14 postseason games they've won the past six years? Were those teams all crippled? 

 

Mahomes has played in 18 postseason games. He's trailed at the end of regulation exactly once. I think you can safely assume he/they will perform at a high level. 

 

 

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Its called having hope for your team. We watched the drought years for almost 2 decades. We still watched every week with some hope. Were people just supposed to say "nah we are gonna get creamed" and not bother watching?  Stop being so entitled. You'll lose eventually. I think you fans are probably more complacent then your team because you are just used to it. Not saying I wouldn't be the same way but just sayin.

[SaulGoodman]

  On 11/23/2024 at 8:14 AM, Scott7975 said:

 

Its called having hope for your team. We watched the drought years for almost 2 decades. We still watched every week with some hope. Were people just supposed to say "nah we are gonna get creamed" and not bother watching?  Stop being so entitled. You'll lose eventually. I think you fans are probably more complacent then your team because you are just used to it. Not saying I wouldn't be the same way but just sayin.

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There isn't complacency among the fans. When the rest of the NFL community is itching to throw dirt on you and fabricating narratives to discredit or downplay every success, you don't get complacent. It keeps you hungry. 

 

I wouldn't expect a lot of predictions of a Chiefs win here. What I would expect is predictions of a tight game, rather than a 3-4 score beatdown. If they truly believed the team was crippled by injury, that is. 

[Kelly to Allen]

  On 11/23/2024 at 4:44 AM, SaulGoodman said:

 

Lol. And there it is. You guys really want to believe the conspiracy theory. 

 

If KC consistently benefited disproportionately from calls/no-calls in these situations, as we're told, they wouldn't be #1 in this stat. It's okay to admit the league isn't fixing games for the Chiefs. 

 

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The refs will favor KC and they're still losing by 30 in the AFC championship in Buffalo. 

 

 

[Scott7975]

  On 11/23/2024 at 8:54 AM, SaulGoodman said:

 

There isn't complacency among the fans. When the rest of the NFL community is itching to throw dirt on you and fabricating narratives to discredit or downplay every success, you don't get complacent. It keeps you hungry. 

 

I wouldn't expect a lot of predictions of a Chiefs win here. What I would expect is predictions of a tight game, rather than a 3-4 score beatdown. If they truly believed the team was crippled by injury, that is. 

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Who cares what they want to believe when being fans of their team. Who cares what they predicted in the process. Injuries matter. Thats a fact. Some more than others.  Are you saying if you lost McDuffie and Jones it wouldn't matter? Did it matter your oline was beat up against Tampa in the SB?

[Don Otreply]

  On 11/23/2024 at 4:44 AM, SaulGoodman said:

 

Lol. And there it is. You guys really want to believe the conspiracy theory. 

 

If KC consistently benefited disproportionately from calls/no-calls in these situations, as we're told, they wouldn't be #1 in this stat. It's okay to admit the league isn't fixing games for the Chiefs. 

 

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Saul Saul Saul, you sound more and more desperate with every post, time to punch out and go home…, 

[hondo in seattle]

  On 11/23/2024 at 4:44 AM, SaulGoodman said:

 

Lol. And there it is. You guys really want to believe the conspiracy theory. 

 

If KC consistently benefited disproportionately from calls/no-calls in these situations, as we're told, they wouldn't be #1 in this stat. It's okay to admit the league isn't fixing games for the Chiefs. 

 

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I don't buy the conspiracy theory that the NFL is fixing games for the Chiefs.  It just doesn't make sense to me.  The NFL would have too much to lose and too little to gain.  The league is a cash cow as it is.  A Chiefs three-peat would add very little revenue if any.  A cheating conspiracy would sorely damage the league's credibility and cost it untold millions.

As for the unconcious bias theory, that might be real.  But I think the effect would be very subtle with little influence on win-loss records.  

 

Refereeing can be frustrating sometimes.  It's probably true that bad calls even out over time.  But in a one-and-done playoff system, a single bad call can ruin a team's chance to win a Lombardi.   

[SaulGoodman]

  On 11/23/2024 at 9:46 AM, Kelly to Allen said:

The refs will favor KC and they're still losing by 30 in the AFC championship in Buffalo. 

 

 

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Lol. Wagering with Bills fans seems like it would be a lucrative endeavor. 

[Success]

  On 11/23/2024 at 8:54 AM, SaulGoodman said:

 

There isn't complacency among the fans. When the rest of the NFL community is itching to throw dirt on you and fabricating narratives to discredit or downplay every success, you don't get complacent. It keeps you hungry. 

 

I wouldn't expect a lot of predictions of a Chiefs win here. What I would expect is predictions of a tight game, rather than a 3-4 score beatdown. If they truly believed the team was crippled by injury, that is. 

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Most of the comments I saw on the thread you posted were much more cautious.  I didn't see many 3-4 score beatdown posts.

 

You kind of cherrypick to fit your narrative, just generally speaking.

 

[stevewin]

Number of penalties is a completely worthless stat.  To do an worthwhile analysis you would need to review the calls in the context of the game - how many were drive/game altering penalties - how many were BS 5 yd holding calls on the defense on 1st down that didn't affect the game at all.  And even more importantly as has been noted how many weren't called.  Because a team has a lot of penalties doesn't mean that they don't have just as many that aren't called - in fact if they are so undisciplined or looking to get away with penalties (see Taylor lining up wrong or jumping the snap seeming every play) the likelihood is they probably have more that aren't called (and probably are as drive/game changing as penalties that are called)

[SaulGoodman]

  On 11/23/2024 at 5:30 PM, stevewin said:

Number of penalties is a completely worthless stat.  To do an worthwhile analysis you would need to review the calls in the context of the game - how many were drive/game altering penalties - how many were BS 5 yd holding calls on the defense on 1st down that didn't affect the game at all.  And even more importantly as has been noted how many weren't called.  Because a team has a lot of penalties doesn't mean that they don't have just as many that aren't called - in fact if they are so undisciplined or looking to get away with penalties (see Taylor lining up wrong or jumping the snap seeming every play) the likelihood is they probably have more that aren't called (and probably are as drive/game changing as penalties that are called)

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If the numbers fit your narrative, you wouldn't think they were worthless. 

 

Here's another: 

 

 

Do you think negated TDs affect the game at all?

[Einstein]

  On 11/23/2024 at 6:22 PM, SaulGoodman said:

 

If the numbers fit your narrative, you wouldn't think they were worthless. 

 

Here's another: 

 

 

Do you think negated TDs affect the game at all?

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This isn’t a real stat.

 

A fan makes up the data (without any way to verify) by an aggregator site that no-one has ever heard of.

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[SaulGoodman]

  On 11/23/2024 at 6:29 PM, Einstein said:

 

This isn’t a real stat.

 

It’s made up (without any way to verify) by an aggregator site that no-one has ever heard of.

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Lol. Of course it is. It's all part of the conspiracy. 

 

Proof that it's made up?

[hondo in seattle]

Some Bills fans had excuses after 13 seconds.  Some legit.  Some not so much.

 

Some Chief fans had excuses after this past game.  Some legit.  Some not so much.

 

We're more alike than different.  And that's true of Americans in general.  But, sadly, we focus on the differences and the things that divide us.  

[Einstein]

  On 11/23/2024 at 6:36 PM, SaulGoodman said:

 

Lol. Of course it is. It's all part of the conspiracy. 

 

Proof that it's made up?

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I didn’t say it was made up. I said it’s not a real stat and is from a fan website that aggregates.

 

Basically it’s as good as the fan who collects the data. Who we don’t know. And have never heard of.