Gabe Davis out for season.

[Mr. WEO]

2 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

Lol where was the Davis positivity the last three years or so?  

 

in my Davis posts over the past 3 years.  

[Beck Water]

23 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

Correct imo

 

I don't understand how this is even a controversial take. Allen has clearly taken more damage through half this season than he has any year since he got to the league 

 

I don't see how that's clear at all.  As I laid out in another post, on a per -game basis to date, Allen is running at a career low for sacks, close to a career low for QB hits, and at a career low for rush attempts per game.  As far as I can tell, he's sliding more per rush attempt as well.

 

What are you looking at to make this conclusion?  Is it some sort of eyeball metric for "viciousness of the hit"?

That's not to say that Allen hasn't taken too many hits and too much damage in his previous seasons, just that I don't see how it's clear he's taken more damage this season.

Edited November 24 by Beck Water

[GoBills808]

25 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

I don't see how that's clear at all.  As I laid out in another post, on a per -game basis to date, Allen is running at a career low for sacks, close to a career low for QB hits, and at a career low for rush attempts per game.  As far as I can tell, he's sliding more per rush attempt as well.

 

What are you looking at to make this conclusion?  Is it some sort of eyeball metric for "viciousness of the hit"?

That's not to say that Allen hasn't taken too many hits and too much damage in his previous seasons, just that I don't see how it's clear he's taken more damage this season.

Damage=injuries

 

 

[Don Otreply]

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Based on production (to this point on the Bills), Davis is the best WR Beane has drafted.  

 

lol Brown and Beasley....come on Brown had one good season with the Bills (before Davis got there), then he was done.  Brown/Beasely 2.0 was the most bizarre Offensive move Beane ever made.

Davis’s prized production over four seasons boils down to about a dozen games, he was hit or miss throughout his time here, his catch rate was overall not so good, he was injured every season and his play while playing injured wasn’t remarkable, by the time he left with no offer on the table from the Bills his production was quite sad. Nice guy and all but he has peaked as a player and is very likely looking at the horizon of his career,  I guess we are going to disagree on this, but that’s just fine, 👍

[Beck Water]

30 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Damage=injuries

 

OK, so he's injured his L hand this season 

 

Rookie year: partially torn UCL, missed 4 games

2019: concussion, missed 0 games

2020: shoulder sprain, played in LB brace  for 3 games and passed poorly for 4
2021: turf toe, missed 0 games

2022: partially torn UCL, missed 0 games but passing down for about 6 games

2023: shoulder sprain, missed 0 games
2024: L hand injury, may have dinged right hand on a helmet but did not undergo medical exam treatment ; examined for concussion but cleared

I think there's some recency bias in the list because I'm pretty sure Allen was pulled from the game and examined for concussion in at least one previous year.

So ?? where's the "clearly taken more damage" in the "damage = injuries" you cite?

[GoBills808]

17 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

OK, so he's injured his L hand this season 

 

Rookie year: partially torn UCL, missed 4 games

2019: concussion, missed 0 games

2020: shoulder sprain, played in LB brace  for 3 games and passed poorly for 4
2021: turf toe, missed 0 games

2022: partially torn UCL, missed 0 games but passing down for about 6 games

2023: shoulder sprain, missed 0 games
2024: L hand injury, may have dinged right hand on a helmet but did not undergo medical exam treatment ; examined for concussion but cleared

I think there's some recency bias in the list because I'm pretty sure Allen was pulled from the game and examined for concussion in at least one previous year.

So ?? where's the "clearly taken more damage" in the "damage = injuries" you cite?

😂😂 We still pretending he didn't get knocked out in Ravens game too huh

[Beck Water]

48 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

😂😂 We still pretending he didn't get knocked out in Ravens game too huh

 

If your standard is "I spy with my Little Eye" and not injury reports, in fairness you would have to have eyeball-saw-it notes for every game of Allen's career.
 

Otherwise, as "Simon says", this is recency bias.  For example, I think Allen got his "bell rung" in the 2022 Green Bay game, that being the reason a 24-7 drubbing turned into a game for the Pack, when Allen threw picks on back-to-back drives and his completion percentage plummeted in the 2nd half.  At the time of the Ravens game, @Simon commented that wasn't Allen's first "turf nap".

Again, I'm not saying there shouldn't be concern about Allen taking a beating, I'm just saying  your contention "Allen has clearly taken more damage through half this season than he has any year since he got to the league" doesn't seem to be supported by facts.  Allen has taken a serious beating every year of his career, and one can make an argument that this season (knock wood!!!!!) if anything it's a bit less.

Edited November 24 by Beck Water

[GoBills808]

12 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

If your standard is "I spy with my Little Eye" and not injury reports, in fairness you would have to have eyeball-saw-it notes for every game of Allen's career.
 

Otherwise, as "Simon says", this is recency bias.  For example, I think Allen got his "bell rung" in the 2022 Green Bay game, that being the reason a 24-7 drubbing turned into a game for the Pack, when Allen threw picks on back-to-back drives and his completion percentage plummeted in the 2nd half.  At the time of the Ravens game, @Simon commented that wasn't Allen's first "turf nap".

Again, I'm not saying there shouldn't be concern about Allen taking a beating, I'm just saying  your contention "Allen has clearly taken more damage through half this season than he has any year since he got to the league" doesn't seem to be supported by facts.  Allen has taken a serious beating every year of his career, and one can make an argument that this season (knock wood!!!!!) if anything it's a bit less.

Of course it's what I see. I think using injury reports as indicative as to the amount of damage a player takes in a given season is about as simple an analysis as there is

 

And you definitely don't want to use subsequent comp%😂😂 as a point of reference, not when he followed up ravens game w one of the worst passing outings as far as comp% goes to Texans

[Mike in Horseheads]

11 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Of course it's what I see. I think using injury reports as indicative as to the amount of damage a player takes in a given season is about as simple an analysis as there is

 

And you definitely don't want to use subsequent comp%😂😂 as a point of reference, not when he followed up ravens game w one of the worst passing outings as far as comp% goes to Texans

INjury reports are a joke, theres always people left off it to mess with the other team. OR, phony injuries

[Simon]

Just now, Mike in Horseheads said:

INjury reports are a joke, theres always people left off it to mess with the other team. OR, phony injuries

 

I am currently posting with a Grade 2 amygdala sprain and bruised isles of Langerhans.

That should explain a lot...

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, Mike in Horseheads said:

INjury reports are a joke, theres always people left off it to mess with the other team. OR, phony injuries

It's about the worst way of making the argument imo

[Beck Water]

33 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Of course it's what I see. I think using injury reports as indicative as to the amount of damage a player takes in a given season is about as simple an analysis as there is

 

And you definitely don't want to use subsequent comp%😂😂 as a point of reference, not when he followed up ravens game w one of the worst passing outings as far as comp% goes to Texans

 

My point stands - if you're going by what you see, you need to have notes of every Allen game in each season.  Otherwise, Recency Bias is a known thing.  You want to say "I spy with my little eye that Allen has clearly taken more damage through half this season than he has any year since he got to the league and it's not arguable" well, you're correct that your contention it's not arguable, because you see it how you see it and you can fold in or exclude whatever you want in your "I spy" thing.

 

But it's certainly not necessarily true.

 

I think you're losing the script here.  Why wouldn't one want to use completion %?  If you want to contend that Allen got a "nap tap" in the Ravens game and should have been in protocol, then his completion % may very well have been down the subsequent week.  It's the same contention I'm making about the Green Bay game - which he finished with a completion % of 52%, followed by 53% the following week in the loss to the Jets.  In the Jets game, Allen had Diggs and Davis to throw to, as well as McKenzie and Kumerow.  In the Houston game, no Shakir, just Coleman, as well as Samuel and Hollins - worse receiving group, worse completion %.

Anyway, I'm Out, because as I said, if we're playing "injuries as detected by GoBills808's Mark IV Eyeball", there's no basis for discussion.

 

 

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, Beck Water said:

 

My point stands - if you're going by what you see, you need to have notes of every Allen game in each season.  Otherwise, Recency Bias is a known thing.  You want to say "I spy with my little eye that Allen has clearly taken more damage through half this season than he has any year since he got to the league and it's not arguable" well, you're correct that your contention it's not arguable, because you see it how you see it and you can fold in or exclude whatever you want in your "I spy" thing.

 

But it's certainly not necessarily true.

 

I think you're losing the script here.  Why wouldn't one want to use completion %?  If you want to contend that Allen got a "nap tap" in the Ravens game and should have been in protocol, then his completion % may very well have been down the subsequent week.  It's the same contention I'm making about the Green Bay game - which he finished with a completion % of 52%, followed by 53% the following week in the loss to the Jets.  In the Jets game, Allen had Diggs and Davis to throw to, as well as McKenzie and Kumerow.  In the Houston game, no Shakir, just Coleman, as well as Samuel and Hollins - worse receiving group, worse completion %.

Anyway, I'm Out, because as I said, if we're playing "injuries as detected by GoBills808's Mark IV Eyeball", there's no basis for discussion.

 

 

No

 

You're out because you tried using the injury report and then completion% to support your argument and then realized neither was valid

 

As well you should

[Mike in Horseheads]

2 hours ago, Simon said:

 

I am currently posting with a Grade 2 amygdala sprain and bruised isles of Langerhans.

That should explain a lot...

Yes , Yes it does...

[BADOLBILZ]

19 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

If your standard is "I spy with my Little Eye" and not injury reports, in fairness you would have to have eyeball-saw-it notes for every game of Allen's career.
 

Otherwise, as "Simon says", this is recency bias.  For example, I think Allen got his "bell rung" in the 2022 Green Bay game, that being the reason a 24-7 drubbing turned into a game for the Pack, when Allen threw picks on back-to-back drives and his completion percentage plummeted in the 2nd half.  At the time of the Ravens game, @Simon commented that wasn't Allen's first "turf nap".

Again, I'm not saying there shouldn't be concern about Allen taking a beating, I'm just saying  your contention "Allen has clearly taken more damage through half this season than he has any year since he got to the league" doesn't seem to be supported by facts.  Allen has taken a serious beating every year of his career, and one can make an argument that this season (knock wood!!!!!) if anything it's a bit less.

 

 

When were all these "turf naps" @Simon?    I don't recall any prior to this season since the concussion that knocked him out of that home game versus NE in 2019.   He had a bad head bounce off the turf in a preseason game with the Bengals early in his career but those kind of impacts have been rare.   The hit versus Green Bay didn't result in him getting planted on his back and his head bouncing straight back off the turf.   Those are the one's that most often cause concussion because the neck is more flexible backward.  Against Green Bay he went to the ground, spun a bit and the side of his helmet made contact with the ground.   A hard hit for sure but he hopped right up with no hesitation and got in the DB's face.  I never bought that as a concussion but it wasn't a great result.

[Neo]

Luciano Pavarotti sang at the Met because he is tenor touched by God, not because the Met needed him to sing.  Allen runs because he’s a lumberjack who accelerates and changes direction, not because the Bills need him to run.   Without the gifts, no need is strong enough to summon Pavarotti or Allen to their respective stages.   You’re looking through the wrong end of the telescope.